What is with these guys???

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 22 Jul 2011, 7:37 pm

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Chisora 261?????...That's right give a mug a chance...Don't these guys realise they only get one career and they have to make the most of what they have got...Sacrifice yourself for godsake make your money and then be a slob.....

Seen it all before....Tubbs fastest hands in the business..great amateur talent..eats it away!!!!! Witherspoon great defensive fighter, very talented..page same thing!!!! Tate same thing!!!!.....Dokes couldn't control his urges!!! Tucker!!!! Bowe!!!! Biggs!!!!

Heavyweights throwing careers away how depressing...

261..well I did pick him to win easy......now it's pickem!!!!

Heavyweights full of sad men wondering what could've been in small houses instead of mansions..maybe Chissy will join em...

Get a grip Son.

by The Galveston Giant Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:16 pm

Calzaghe's win against Hopkins looks great now i agree, he's went on to school a few top prospects.

by Young_Towzer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:18 pm

Look at Calzaghe to Lacy, it doesn't go by physical condition solely, John McDermott looks like he's just finished a shift eating McDonalds, but could go 12 hard rounds

by Young_Towzer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:19 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Calzaghe was better than Lewis for me.....

No losing to crud like Rahman, mccall...getting decked off Akinwande, wobbled off Briggs....lucky against Mercer and no defining fight..

His win over Hoppo has turned into a quality win added to it the win over Lacy and 10 yrs unbeaten...

Coming back and sparking both Rahman, McCall, outclassing Holyfield twice, Golota, Briggs, destroying Tyson, weren't the Holyfield fights defining? mmmmm. Dunno who Hoppo is but the Hopkins win was a close but good one for Joe, Kessler was good and Lacy

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:26 pm

"outclasing Holy twice"..

Stopped reading it then. pathetic!

by Day V Lately Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:29 pm

zx1234 wrote:Apart from Lennox Lewis

another fighter that wasn't 'ripped' or haye like in build

But his off nights came when he was too heavy and clearly hadnt trained properly

by Young_Towzer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:34 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:"outclasing Holy twice"..

Stopped reading it then. pathetic!

Was the better man twice, got robbed in America, it's funny how everything is 'pathetic' what you don't agree with. Peace out Very Happy

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:37 pm

Outclassing......you should read what it means..

by The Galveston Giant Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:38 pm

For anyone interested Amy Winehouse has died this afternoon of a suspected overdose.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:39 pm

He was better when he was heavy...Day v....

Was heavier with Steward than with Correa and was better for it...

His off nights were when he was wide open like he was against Bruno, mccall........Steward tightened him up.

by Young_Towzer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:41 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Outclassing......you should read what it means..

Don't need to watched both fights battered him twice, beat everyone of your boys that's probably why you don't like the guy.

by Day V Lately Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:43 pm

came in heavy and unconditioned against Rahman, also against Vitali, which although a good win, could argue he wasnt really in shape for.

No argument he was far superiour with Steward than Correa though

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:44 pm

Terrible, terrible shame.....I lost my Sister to an overdose.

28 years young and talented......Alcohol and drugs don't discriminate should you have a weakness for them it doesn't matter if you are educated, non-educated, rich, poor...

She was her own worst enemy like my Sister..misunderstood rather than bad... a tragic loss to her family and friends and a complete and utter tragic waste of life..

Really sorry......

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:44 pm

He sparked Rahman but he didn't spark McCall, couldn't even put a dent in him even though he was defenceless

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:45 pm

Young_Towzer wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Outclassing......you should read what it means..
Don't need to watched both fights battered him twice, beat everyone of your boys that's probably why you don't like the guy.

The second fight was far closer than the first, only a couple of rounds in it

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:48 pm

Ghosty...You think he outclassed Holyfield???

You think he was in a different class???

I had Vitali two rounds up...Did he outclass Lewis??/

Spinks outclass Holmes????

by Young_Towzer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:51 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Terrible, terrible shame.....I lost my Sister to an overdose.

28 years young and talented......Alcohol and drugs don't discriminate should you have a weakness for them it doesn't matter if you are educated, non-educated, rich, poor...

She was her own worst enemy like my Sister..misunderstood rather than bad... a tragic loss to her family and friends and a complete and utter tragic waste of life..

Really sorry......

Lost me, but yeah Lewis was miles better than Holyfield and proved it twice, best heavyweight of the past 25 years hands down, would of beat Foreman, etc as well.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:51 pm

I think he won the first fight fairly comfortably but wouldn't say he outclassed him, the Vitali fight isn't relevant here Truss and you know it, it was 6 rounds and considering he won it's fairly impossible to have been outclassed over that distance.

I'm not going by the official scorecards i'm going by how I scored the fights

Fight 1: Lewis 117:111
Fight 2: Lewis 115-113

by Guest Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:52 pm

The Galveston Giant wrote:For anyone interested Amy Winehouse had died of a suspected overdose.

Very apt given the subject of wasted talent. Still, irrespective of what people thought of her OUTSIDE of the music and the bad choices she made, it's a sad loss. No doubt the vultures will be circling as we speak

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:53 pm

I thought he lost the second fight but won the first...Also thought Holy was on the slide..

Only a muppet thinks he was different class.

by The Galveston Giant Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:54 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
The Galveston Giant wrote:For anyone interested Amy Winehouse had died of a suspected overdose.
Very apt given the subject of wasted talent. Still, irrespective of what people thought of her OUTSIDE of the music and the bad choices she made, it's a sad loss. No doubt the vultures will be circling as we speak

I think so Dave, terrible waste of talent.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:55 pm

No way did he lose the second fight, think the fact it was closer than the first one does cloud judgement on it, the scorecards made no sense for the fights as a pair

by Guest Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:58 pm

Thought Lewis was a clear winner v Holyfield first time round. Says plenty when even the American press thought Lewis got screwed

by The Galveston Giant Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:58 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:No way did he lose the second fight, think the fact it was closer than the first one does cloud judgement on it, the scorecards made no sense for the fights as a pair

The scoring was all over the place, not been able to gain the fights on file so will need to look out the old videos to make a better judgement, but i believe Lewis was a clearer winner in the first fight.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:02 pm

Let's just agree he was outclassed..

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:03 pm

Only if you can agree he sparked McCall too?

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:07 pm

Meant to say agree he wasn't outclassed......

Had Lewis a clear winner in the first fight..

Surprised he didn't commit more in both fights though!!

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:11 pm

I never got that either, not too sure what he had to worry about and should have pressed for the stoppage, seemed to respect Holyfield a bit too much

by Guest Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:13 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Meant to say agree he wasn't outclassed......

Had Lewis a clear winner in the first fight..

Surprised he didn't commit more in both fights though!!

Perhaps it was folly for him to advise David Haye re being aggressive Whistle

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:15 pm

Good one!!!!....Honestly I thought Lewis showed Holy far to much respect..

Thought Holy was there for the taking...........but he gave a sucker a chance...

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:18 pm

The Briggs performance combined with that is what confuses me, Briggs was a big puncher with a good reputation who at that stage posed a bigger threat than Holyfield because of it, in one of his more aggressive moods just like the Grant fight he steps it up and takes his man out with ease.

by Guest Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:27 pm

Oh if only Lewis had put his foot on the gas we might not be enduring the sad spectacle of Evander still lacing em up

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:29 pm

I've only got a few minutes left Ghosty before I have to go out....

But I'll give you my honest take on Lewis.....

I thought he was a great heavyweight 10-15 in the alltime list.......slightly above Bowe but below Holy...

I thought he was lucky in his timing but that with Steward's help earlier would have been greater and top 10....

Loses to Bowe with Correa...wins against Steward ...........

Struggles with peak Tyson because of Mike's handspeed but might have had Evander's number like Bowe had.....

Thought he retired because he thought he'd lose the rematch to Vitali...

But he'd beat Vlad and Vitali...in his prime!!!!

Think Hagler, Duran were both overrated.....too

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:33 pm

Top 5 heavyweight for me, has a better record against his rivals than Holyfield does, think he was unlucky with his timing, had the beating of Bowe, Holyfield and Tyson from the word go but was too high a risk for little reward so was shamelessly avoided until he had it all to lose rather than his opposition.

Also think he takes Vitali more seriously in a rematch and outclasses him on the way to a 7/8th round stoppage, would love to have seen him in with Wlad who would stand next to no chance of getting anything from the fight

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:42 pm

Top 5.......That's high.....

Hard call isn't it...Better career than Larry or George ???

Dempsey ludicrously high in most lists.....

Interesting call there is a case.. but I think others may have stronger ones.

Like the Rock of being higher.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:50 pm

Varies from day to day with Foreman being the hardest to judge of all, his wins over Frazier and Norton are unequalled but does ludicrously lack top level longevity

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Foreman
Lewis
Demspey

With the places from 3-6 changing depending on my mood

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:53 pm

Oh I se you have them guys above Lewis...

You're a bit like me you give more credit to the modern fighter than most on here..

However I have Johnson 3 on my list....and the Rock top 6....

Frazier top 10 and Holy sometimes depending on what mood i'm in...

Also have jeffrie there beating Fitz (2) corbett (2) and Sharkey.....

But still you have a case...........was a great champ but I think at a good time for him...

Bowe certainly would've catapulted him in..not that it was his fault..

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 23 Jul 2011, 7:09 pm

Generally I do favour the old time fighters i'll admit but Lewis' has a very under rated title reign, most of his opposition were a darn sight better than anything either of the brothers have fought

Jeffries, Marciano, Johnson, Frazier and Liston are battling it out for the final 4 places with Holyfield and Tyson behind them

by Guest Sat 23 Jul 2011, 7:12 pm

Also have jeffrie there beating Fitz (2) corbett (2) and Sharkey.....
Corbett was lucky against Jackson who was thrown from a horse and carriage the week before the fight and then refused him a rematch after years of prevarication between the two.
Corbett at 2!!!! Pah!!!!

by Super D Boon Sun 24 Jul 2011, 11:18 pm

Always thought Witherspoon coulda been better if he wasn't so fleshy around the waist but Del Boy makes the Spoon look like a salad munching fitness freak by comparison.

261 at 6ft 1 is a disgrace, he deserved to lose. Fury wanted the titles, Chisora wanted the dough to eat more pastry! mad

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