The Mayweather vs Pacquiao Debate

First topic message reminder :

It is an issue that polarises the sport, and get the most headlines. It is because the are opposites in the the ring and out.

Inside the ring Mayweather is a defensive fighter, safety first, whilst Manny is an attacking fighting that brings the excitement. Outside the ring Manny is well liked, humble happy and at peace, whilst Mayweather seems angry brash, arrogant, mentally troubled and problems with the law.

It is no surprise since they seem to be polar opposites that they split opinion.

In this thread I would like to discuss how there careers match up and who would win should they eventually face each other in the ring.

Evening Gents
Although this is a debate that will probs continue until the end of time, its pretty obvious from a neutral point of view (i.e. me) there are different views on this situation and neither party will back down on their viewpoint.

All i can suggest is, that if either party gets wound up and tensions start to rise, kick offs start and insults are flying around, simply avoid this thread and just cool off for a bit.

If you feel as though you are going round in circles, then maybes the debate has gone as far as it has, and it might be best to agree to dissagree on some points.

Im not saying to stop debating on what could be and probs will be a classic match in boxing history, but sometimes its best to take a break from this if you are getting wound up by it all and have a chat about another subject on the board.

Cheers
Y I Man

Y I Man

We're able to have a sensible debate when one poster isn't around! Isn't that a funny coincidence!?

Your wriggling like a worm on a hook here D4, making almost as much of a fool of yourself as archbritchris on the handwraps subject earlier today.

1) When mayweather was too dehydrated to give a urine sample the USADA rep stayed with him the whole time until he could. He went with mayweather to his house, and to the toilet. why did you neglect to mention that?

2) Did mosley or mayweather know when the tests were to be conducted? If the answer is yes, then they were not random, if the answer is no, then they were. What is the answer?

The fact that D4 can write that Mayweather was "friends" with the chief tester at WADA and that he left him alone without sanctions is ridiculous.

If that comment appeared in a more popular publication they would have a lawsuit up against them before the end of the day.

Just looking on the home page, the boxing board has over 7,700 posts. The next nearest is golf with about 3000 odd. I assumed the footy boards would be the busiest. Seems it's us boxing fans keeping this site going!

Lumbering_Jack wrote:The fact that D4 can write that Mayweather was "friends" with the chief tester at WADA and that he left him alone without sanctions is ridiculous.

If that comment appeared in a more popular publication they would have a lawsuit up against them before the end of the day.

But he hasn't and thus your post has no basis.

There are a gang of people getting wound up by one poster. Come on guys!!! You are free to respond or not to respond to any poster here.

D4thincarnation wrote:What was this balance schedule of testing?

Is it used in any other sport?

Who devised the testing for the Mayweather vs Mosley clash.

Why was the decision taken to only blood test 18 days before the fight?

WADA operate targeted testing in-competition, USADA clearly didn't do this

D4, you are shifting goalposts again. SSM and FMJ had randon tests with no cut off point. The operative term here is NO CUT OFF POINT. What is there not to understand? Before we go on comparing othe sports, lets first clear this little impasse. That is of course, if you do actually want to debate as opposed to try and score points...which you are obviously failing to do.

Y I Man.

Lying about a relationship between a boxer and the chief tester is not an opinion.

If this was a more popular site that comment would be pursued by Floyds legal team.

Surely mods the point is that one guy poisons thread after thread. The mods role is to keep things running smoothly, and if one person is able to avoid being chastised while clearly seeking to provoke angered responses, then it's a poor showing for what was a promising board.

Balti, it works both ways.
I can quote endless posts tonight trying to get a response from one person.
Likewise, one person could post something to anger others and there are examples of this also.

That is why i posted what i did before, in the hope that both sides can take a little 'time out' before things escalate and get out of hand.

hey mr d4, are u going to turn your back on donaire now he has left top rank?
PS if manny really wants the fight then he'll just take the test.
peace out

Youarethegreatest wrote:hey mr d4, are u going to turn your back on donaire now he has left top rank?
PS if manny really wants the fight then he'll just take the test.
peace out

Top rank say their contract is still valid.

Coxy,

Where has D4 actually stated that USADA is not part of WADA, could you point out the offending post.

Thanks,

KB

Excellent, so because you dislike another poster you're trying to get people who have dedicated time, effort and money to this site into trouble.

The Foe option is there for a reason.

I'm sure as soon as the recieve the email USADA will schedule a press conference to deny the accusations and file their legal case.

Coxy,

Firstly, what you claim as lack of action is infact, fact gathering. Not frequenting this board as much i need to ascertain the facts before taking action. You have been reminded countless times of the process for flagging posts, it would be much simpler for all involved if you actually bothered to use it.

D4,

Whilst i appreciate you are entitled to your opinion, making libellous statements without backing them up with facts is not acceptable. Libellous behaviour and slander have potentially serious ramifications to the owners, administrators and users of this board and as such will not be tolerated.

I would advise strongly that if you are unable to back up such claims with facts that you refrain from posting these sorts of views or save them for places other than a public forum.

It's quite clear from Coxy's link that what you have said is infact incorrect and therefore libellous.

I will be removing the offending posts and would hope that i don't need to bring this up again.

Thanks,

KB

Not applicable anymore, dealt with

And thanks KB, sense at last.

Many thanks

Coxy

The 'foe' option is there for a reason, but unless you're happy reading one side of an argument with an idiot it's largely pointless. Fact is the person in question HAS been shown up as a liar and a hypocrite, and the only reason I can see for him behaving in such a way is for the purpose of winding people up and thereby ruining genuine discussion.

D4thincarnation wrote:

Youarethegreatest wrote:hey mr d4, are u going to turn your back on donaire now he has left top rank?
PS if manny really wants the fight then he'll just take the test.
peace out

Top rank say their contract is still valid.

Jinkee, this has been officially confirmed. Donaire wasnt happy as they didnt fulfil their part of the contract he felt he had to leave to better himself

Oooooh nice work

Coxy and Balti, i'd recommend for your sakes to ignore D4 from now on, its one thing him being him but dont risk getting chucked off here because of him

all this is irrelavant because it aint never guna happen

you may as well debate superman vs spiderman

eddyfightfan wrote:all this is irrelavant because it aint never guna happen

you may as well debate superman vs spiderman

Are you serious, Superman everyday of the week, twice on Sundays.

Spiderman has great lateral movement due to his webs. However I think superman makes up for this because he doesn't always fly in straight lines. I'd have to go for superman because his lazers are such a good offensive weapon, and would also be used defensively to burn the webs.

Is Krytonite banned by WADA? If Spiderman can get some of those injections he could pull of an upset

Superman beats Spiderman, being super at everything is evidently better than having 8 legs and hiding underneath skirting boards...

For my two cents....

Mayweather is scared and is the biggest guilty party, however, I do believe he wins the fight.

I'd love PacMan to win and he of course has the tools but I think Mayweather will be too fast and find a way of hitting enough ones and twos to seal the deal.

I take all the talk from Freddie about Mayweather's legs not being as good and him not moving around the ring as energetically as before, I also appreciate Manny's intense work rate but I think PBF will up his game, find the angles to hit whilst not taking too many, and ultimately seal the win.

He may even step on the gas and look for the KO, it would be his last meaningful and I think given the opportunity, he would go for it to close the show.

I much prefer and am a huge fan of Manny but I think Mayweather's hand-speed is key. Cotto, Margarito, Hatton, ODLH, Clottey et el were all slow.

Speed is the defining factor, Freddie's own preachings will be what beats Manny when he finds someone who is as fast or faster.

Pac walks forward and throws punches MW loves it when someone does that. MW with a one sided boxing lesson from everyone's most hated fighter MONEY, MONEY

GBP and Mayweather bid to get the defamation lawsuit dismissed has been denied by a federal judge paving the way for the lawsuit brought by Pacquiao to go ahead.

http://www.boxingscene.com/pacquiao-vs-mayweather-golden-boy-legal-battle-update--37286

The damage done by these unfounded allegations of PED use by Pacquiao is clear on how this great champion is viewed.

Mayweather could well find himself paying Pacquiao 40-60 million, maybe then he will have to fight Pacquiao to recoup that money.

Maybe this should be seen as a warning to other that banned around these allegations with out a shred of proof.

who's manny pacquiao?

eddyfightfan wrote:who's manny pacquiao?

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Manny!

Who's Asian Congressman,
That's a sex machine to D4?
(Manny!)
You're damn right

Who is the man
That would risk his neck for his brother man?
(Manny!)
Can ya dig it?

Who's the cat that won't cop out
When there's danger all about
(Manny!)
Right on

You see this cat Manny is a bad mother--
(Shut your mouth)
But I'm talkin' about Manny
(Then we can dig it)

He's a complicated man
But no one understands him but D4
(Manny!)

Hope that answers your question.

Gonna be quite funny if Manny loses the case

D4 will have to use his kleenex tissues for something else that's to do with Manny

coxy0001 wrote:Gonna be quite funny if Manny loses the case

D4 will have to use his kleenex tissues for something else that's to do with Manny

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I wonder if all his posters of Pacman are laminated.

Sir. badgerhands wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:Gonna be quite funny if Manny loses the case

D4 will have to use his kleenex tissues for something else that's to do with Manny

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I wonder if all his posters of Pacman are laminated.

Probably. Save for the holes he's cut in Manny mouth in all of them.

coxy0001 wrote:

Sir. badgerhands wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:Gonna be quite funny if Manny loses the case

D4 will have to use his kleenex tissues for something else that's to do with Manny

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I wonder if all his posters of Pacman are laminated.

Probably. Save for the holes he's cut in Manny mouth in all of them.

*********************************************************************************************** Bless his little cottons.

Least with this forum all the Manny/Floyd stuff gets lumped together.

Small mercies and all that.

now mayflower is asking for £100m

if this is true (big "if" though)

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=27454&more=1

what a Cat hole.

sweet_pea wrote:now mayflower is asking for £100m

if this is true (big "if" though)

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=27454&more=1

what a Cat hole.

Yet some people (coxy) still think Pacquiao is to blame for the fight not happening.

I said from day one that Mayweather had no intention of fighting Pacquiao and would come up with excuse after excuse for not taking the fight.

Shame on some people for believing the excuses.

:run2:

he's running out of excuses..

I just can't believe there are people out there that still believe these excuses.

I don't care what anybody else says this ducking of Pacquiao has to affect his legacy

How can he do any interview now and when he retires, because the question will come up all the time, "Why didn't you fight Pacquiao?
"

Most of us are past the point of caring D4. And most of us are objective enough to realise that it's a contradiction when you blame FMJ first time round yet Manny agrees to pretty much the same stipulations second time round.

Back to the most of us part - as boxing fans we've moved on. We aren't hung up on it and to be honest none of us a particularly bothered as there's zero chance of this fight even being made until various legal proceedings are over (sometime in April or something).

There's more than enough interest in the rest of the boxing world for us to be content, but it's nuthuggers like you who feel the need to band about every single sodding quote. WE DONT CARE

You can post as many random quotes as you want on the subject, fact is sunshine once Manny retires we won't have to put up with the likes of you anymore as your little infatuation with Pacquiao will cease to exist and therefore 99% of comments will.

I repeat - WE DONT CARE

Coxy

Do you agree that Mayweather never had any intention of facing Pacquiao. Or do you still thinks he wants the fight?



You did care coxy and you backed Floyd to the hilt, and dismissed my theory of the blood test smokescreen because Floyd didn't want to fight Pacquiao.

Have you change your opinion of Floyd coxy?

Floyd is on the cover of this months Boxing Monthly D4, a big feature; you might like it.

Scottrf wrote:Floyd is on the cover of this months Boxing Monthly D4, a big feature; you might like it.

Don't think I'll be getting it.

Why is he on the front cover for what does he have to do with boxing. His last two fight were a joke, one against a security guard and the other against the mother of his children, I think you know what that makes him.

D4 Floyd has demanded for years that fighters take the sort of drug testing that he asked Pac to do. Why would Floyd dodge him? He isn't that good and for a few years now has picked and chose who he fights very carefully. If Pac is willing to take on all comers and is the best of his time why is he fighting Mosely instead of a Marquez rematch? I have not spoke to anyone who would not have liked to see that fight or even Berto for that matter. But instead he goes for a washed up Mosely who FMJ has already proven to be over the hill.

prettyboy1304 wrote:D4 Floyd has demanded for years that fighters take the sort of drug testing that he asked Pac to do. Why would Floyd dodge him? He isn't that good and for a few years now has picked and chose who he fights very carefully. If Pac is willing to take on all comers and is the best of his time why is he fighting Mosely instead of a Marquez rematch? I have not spoke to anyone who would not have liked to see that fight or even Berto for that matter. But instead he goes for a washed up Mosely who FMJ has already proven to be over the hill.

Floyd himself called Pacquiao great, and has said he is too good, and what he has done is unnatural.

Mosley caused Mayweather a whole heap of problems in 2nd round and he even won the first.

prettyboy1304 wrote:D4 Floyd has demanded for years that fighters take the sort of drug testing that he asked Pac to do.

I'm quite sure it started with him asking Pacquiao.

Scottrf wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:D4 Floyd has demanded for years that fighters take the sort of drug testing that he asked Pac to do.

I'm quite sure it started with him asking Pacquiao.

I'm sure I read somewhere that he done this to Angel Manfredy in his first world title defence in 1998. No matter what it is the way drug testing should be done in boxing and anyone who declines the testing and therefore the money a fight with FMJ brings is suspicious to me.

D4

Don't try and twist it.

Who didn't agree to the random testing and cutoff first time round, saying they'd only give blood X amount of times on X days. And who then agreed to pretty much the same stipulations 2nd time round?

I blame Manny for the first instance as he contradicted his reasons for pulling out (and you yourself said why 'should' he agree) and then said he'd been fine with those stipulations second time round. Naturally i blame Floyd 2nd time round.

And if Floyd never wanted the fight why did he agree to purse split, glove size, ring size etc? And it's in the past, the fight didn't get made then and if things work out we might see it in the future. I for one couldn't care less if it isn't made and i couldn't really give two sh*ts who to blame, there's umpteen other super fights going on for me to be more than happy with. And if the fight does ever get made you've only served to make yourself look like a complete and utter muppet of epic proportions. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out the chances of it getting done now are slim, before you try to claim "i never knew they wouldn't fight" rubbish - you were involved in the hype at the time as well, and no - you didn't predict he'd try and wiggle out at any stage.

I said it from day one, ofcourse I wanted the fight to happen to expose Floyd and you show Pacquiao's greatness but Floyd was never interested in the fight.

Shame even now you can't see the blood tests were a smokescreen.

I surprised you are not on here trying to convince us all that $100m is what Floyd deserves, I guess even you have your limits.

Smokescreen?

you had a crystal ball then? WHAT IF MANNY HAD SAID YES??!?! - You didn't know he wouldn't which blow that stupid little airy fairy notion right out of the sky.

And i never said he does deserve it, funny how no-one else has heard anything about any "negotiations" apart from Bob "Been done for corruption" Arum. So rather than us "convince" anyone, it's you who needs to stop reading into his bullsh*t

Guys just give it a rest, no one cares.

If people stop replying to this nonsense we can all just get on merrily