The Mayweather vs Pacquiao Debate

by D4thincarnation Wed 16 Feb 2011, 7:04 pm

First topic message reminder :

It is an issue that polarises the sport, and get the most headlines. It is because the are opposites in the the ring and out.

Inside the ring Mayweather is a defensive fighter, safety first, whilst Manny is an attacking fighting that brings the excitement. Outside the ring Manny is well liked, humble happy and at peace, whilst Mayweather seems angry brash, arrogant, mentally troubled and problems with the law.

It is no surprise since they seem to be polar opposites that they split opinion.

In this thread I would like to discuss how there careers match up and who would win should they eventually face each other in the ring.

by Imperial Ghosty Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:21 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
All of this was released and about at the time. There interview where Marquez has given saying the same thing.

It was released by whom though D4? That's right Bob Arum when he wasn't meant to discuss the negotiations in the public domain and you want us to believe the word of a known liar.

by Imperial Ghosty Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:27 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:[
It doesn't matter he made a promised to Marquez signed a contract saying the fight would be at 144lbs and yet had no intention of sticking to it. Marquez was a career feather who was forced to move up 3 weights in a year at the age of 36 to make Floyd look good, and yet Floyd could not even honour his word with Marquez, disgraceful as a boxer and as a man.

Do not try treating me as though i'm a fool D4 it does not become you, i've said it and i'll say it again the fight was made at Welterweight with monetary stipulations, there is no 144lb division and I do not appreciate someone being naive enough to think they can go about lying time and time again.

I care not for Mayweather outside of boxing, nor do I care for any boxer outside of the ring so bring his character up all you want it isn't at all relevant, what is relevant is the fact you cannot debate this matter without bare face lying. Yet in the face of this you cannot talk about anything, hardly a boxing fan are you.

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:27 pm

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:D4 - you're totally blabbering on here to no constructive end.

The facts are that negotiations happened, manny put in a host of demands which floyd accepted, floyd made a demand that they both undergo random testing and manny refused. He then refused a compromise offer of 14 days - why would he refuse that if he wanted the fight? He then walked away and fought clottey. 6 months later he made a public deadline for floyd to agree the same stipulations that manny previously refused, ie 50/50 and 14 day cut off.

That is the scenario I presented to you last week.

Your only possible argument is that floyd would have "known" manny would refuse, and his pre-empting of this was a very cunning way of ducking the fight, which is total far fetched nonsense.

Re-counting mannys career from Marquez II onwards is irrelevant to this point and simply a diversionary tactic for you to distract from the fact that you have no logical arguement to the point, other than the crystal ball theory, which simply doesnt wash.

You have no winning arguement here, everyone can see that.

Not at all Manny did not put in a host of demands.

This falsehood about Floyd agreeing to Manny's gloves, what a load of rubbish, Floyd wanted 8oz and so did Manny.

There was and agreement, Manny only request was that the weight penalties for Floyd as he proved he cannot be trusted over this matter.

And it was then and only the when blood testing was brought into the equation.

Even if manny only made one demand, that would still be one more than floyd prior to the testing request. Why should Team Pacquiao always dictate terms to their opponent and expect nothing back?

Manny refused the random testing, he refused the 14 day cut off comprimise, he walked away from negotiations to fight clottey instead, he came back 6 months later asking fir the deal he refused before to be signed, end of.

Manny said 21 day Floyd said 14 days at the end when negotiations broke down. Arum was pushing for a deal for 17/18 day compromise and Floyd advisors said he should take it since there will be no difference between 14 day and 18 days. But Floyd was difficult in negotiations and would not budge on anything.

Roach also had a problem with USADA carrying out the tests and wanted NSAC to carry them out Floyd would not budge on that.

Manny also agreed he would take any test the commission required.

by Imperial Ghosty Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:29 pm

So in short team Pacquiao wanted everything their own way?

by azania Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:31 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:Are you debating with yourself here? Your response bears little correlation to my questions. Try again. Manny put in clauses. Floyd put in clauses. Manny walked away from Floyd's clause. Floyd is accused of ducking because Manny cant agree to his clause? Strange logic you employ there mate.

Now wanna try answering my question? Not the question you hoped I asked, but the actual question I asked.

Was trying to address Sugar boy's question but it is a long winded affair.

Manny clause was valid as Floyd had shown no respect for Marquez or boxing how he came in over an agreed limit and paid some like $500k.

But the main problem was that Floyd never had any intention making weight and wanted to come in at 147lbs as he said he would even though he had signed a contract with Marquez for 144lbs.

Floyd's clause, what does that have do with anything, I though it was an easy fight Floyd and Manny is nothing special.

Why are you bringing JMM into this? I'm talking about Floyd and Manny's clauses. Stay on topic please. Floyd came in at 146 actually. But stay on topic.

Manny set a clause. Floyd set a clause. Manny disagreed to Floyd's clause. Floyd is ducking for putting in a clause that Manny doesn't like. How about Manny growing some grapefruits and stop ducking?

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:32 pm

http://201.198.240.5/articles/Mayweather_Marquez.html

They were scheduled to fight at a catch-weight of 144 pounds, more than Marquez has ever fought and the lightest weight for Mayweather since 2005.

It was 144lbs fight, you agree Floyd broke his word to Marquez and why you might not care Roach had every right to care when signing a contract with this guy.

by Imperial Ghosty Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:34 pm

You don't understand what a catchweight is do you?

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:35 pm

Point being this was not a point a principal for Floyd so what was it?

Did he think Manny was too good of a fighter and his greatness could only be explained by PED use.

Strange because less than a month earlier before Manny called him out he said on record all Pacquiao had to do was to say he wanted the fight and he would be an easy fight for Floyd.

So what is the explanation?

by Sugar Boy Sweetie Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:36 pm

D4thincarnation: Manny said 21 day Floyd said 14 days at the end when negotiations broke down. Arum was pushing for a deal for 17/18 day compromise and Floyd advisors said he should take it since there will be no difference between 14 day and 18 days. But Floyd was difficult in negotiations and would not budge on anything.
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Would not budge? I think moving from 0 days to 14 days shows a lot of willing. Manny was the one difficult in negotiations, refusing the demand and the compromise, throwing out mixed messages regarding his reasons (needlephobia, then claiming it weakens him), then he walked away altogether.

Been through this time and again D4, and despite you attempting to talk like you were in the room at negotiations you can't provide a version of events that prove it was 100% floyds fault the fight broke down. Even your best arguement above reads like both fighters were to blame making it 50/50 responsibility, but you won't even concede that. Then you act the innocent when others get exasperated with you.

by azania Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:38 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:http://201.198.240.5/articles/Mayweather_Marquez.html

They were scheduled to fight at a catch-weight of 144 pounds, more than Marquez has ever fought and the lightest weight for Mayweather since 2005.

It was 144lbs fight, you agree Floyd broke his word to Marquez and why you might not care Roach had every right to care when signing a contract with this guy.

I have no problem with that clause. Floyd loves money so it makes sense. So Floyd inserted his clause into the contract and Manny ran. So how does it work that floyd is ducking?

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:42 pm

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2009/09/mayweather-comes-in-at-146-marquez-at-142/

A friend of mine theorized that this was actually the plan all along, and that Mayweather wanted to give himself another advantage so that he could look even better and definitely knock Marquez out. This would give him great power in negotiations with Pacquiao next year, and would seal him at least another $10M.

Everybody in boxing critize Floyd for what he did, no surprise though that you are defending him.

by coxy0001 Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:44 pm

I know the mods hate this, but i ask:

If one member was permanently removed from the site, would that solve more than most of the problems we have on here?

It's a very honest question, and i think they know the answer

Sorry guys, but that's the truth and you know it

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:47 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:http://201.198.240.5/articles/Mayweather_Marquez.html

They were scheduled to fight at a catch-weight of 144 pounds, more than Marquez has ever fought and the lightest weight for Mayweather since 2005.

It was 144lbs fight, you agree Floyd broke his word to Marquez and why you might not care Roach had every right to care when signing a contract with this guy.

I have no problem with that clause. Floyd loves money so it makes sense. So Floyd inserted his clause into the contract and Manny ran. So how does it work that floyd is ducking?

Ok from the start of the negotiation to the blood test being brought up is a period of about 3 weeks, so was Floyd stalling for an excuse to get out of the fight.

We know that Pacquiao has given an interview saying that having blood taking the day before the Morales fight weakening him and we have seen footage of Pacquiao on 24/7 Hatton vs Pacquiao where he is uncomfortable giving blood and has to take the day of training.

Floyd found out about this and found his way out of the fight.

by Imperial Ghosty Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:48 pm

Strange how Mayweather didn't try to knock Marquez out though isn't it

Also these people you describe as being in boxing are always just random people who write articles on open sites, hardly officinados are they.

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:49 pm

coxy0001 wrote:I know the mods hate this, but i ask:

If one member was permanently removed from the site, would that solve more than most of the problems we have on here?

It's a very honest question, and i think they know the answer

Sorry guys, but that's the truth and you know it

The article is labeled the Mayweather vs Pacquiao debate, what do you expect to see when you come on here, why come on here if all you do is complain?

by azania Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:49 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:http://201.198.240.5/articles/Mayweather_Marquez.html

They were scheduled to fight at a catch-weight of 144 pounds, more than Marquez has ever fought and the lightest weight for Mayweather since 2005.

It was 144lbs fight, you agree Floyd broke his word to Marquez and why you might not care Roach had every right to care when signing a contract with this guy.

I have no problem with that clause. Floyd loves money so it makes sense. So Floyd inserted his clause into the contract and Manny ran. So how does it work that floyd is ducking?

Ok from the start of the negotiation to the blood test being brought up is a period of about 3 weeks, so was Floyd stalling for an excuse to get out of the fight.

We know that Pacquiao has given an interview saying that having blood taking the day before the Morales fight weakening him and we have seen footage of Pacquiao on 24/7 Hatton vs Pacquiao where he is uncomfortable giving blood and has to take the day of training.

Floyd found out about this and found his way out of the fight.

So why did Manny come up with multiple excuses before settling on that? Moreover can you imagine Usain Bolt saying the sme thing? Thats a BS excuse and you know it.

by Sugar Boy Sweetie Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:51 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:http://201.198.240.5/articles/Mayweather_Marquez.html

They were scheduled to fight at a catch-weight of 144 pounds, more than Marquez has ever fought and the lightest weight for Mayweather since 2005.

It was 144lbs fight, you agree Floyd broke his word to Marquez and why you might not care Roach had every right to care when signing a contract with this guy.

I have no problem with that clause. Floyd loves money so it makes sense. So Floyd inserted his clause into the contract and Manny ran. So how does it work that floyd is ducking?

Ok from the start of the negotiation to the blood test being brought up is a period of about 3 weeks, so was Floyd stalling for an excuse to get out of the fight.

We know that Pacquiao has given an interview saying that having blood taking the day before the Morales fight weakening him and we have seen footage of Pacquiao on 24/7 Hatton vs Pacquiao where he is uncomfortable giving blood and has to take the day of training.

Floyd found out about this and found his way out of the fight.

And there you have it - D4's desperate crystal ball theory that I guaranteed you would be the only thing he could resort to.

On that note D4 loses and shows himself up, and I'm off to bed, busy day ahead tomorrow. Goodnight gents.

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:51 pm

imperialghosty wrote:Strange how Mayweather didn't try to knock Marquez out though isn't it

Also these people you describe as being in boxing are always just random people who write articles on open sites, hardly officinados are they.

He couldn't.

And you could find a hundred article some from well know boxing writers saying the same thing.

The way I see it if you make and agreement with some you do your best to stick to it, Floyd didn't mainly because the penalty was a nominal amount, and that is the reason behind why Roach wanted that clause.

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:53 pm

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:http://201.198.240.5/articles/Mayweather_Marquez.html

They were scheduled to fight at a catch-weight of 144 pounds, more than Marquez has ever fought and the lightest weight for Mayweather since 2005.

It was 144lbs fight, you agree Floyd broke his word to Marquez and why you might not care Roach had every right to care when signing a contract with this guy.

I have no problem with that clause. Floyd loves money so it makes sense. So Floyd inserted his clause into the contract and Manny ran. So how does it work that floyd is ducking?

Ok from the start of the negotiation to the blood test being brought up is a period of about 3 weeks, so was Floyd stalling for an excuse to get out of the fight.

We know that Pacquiao has given an interview saying that having blood taking the day before the Morales fight weakening him and we have seen footage of Pacquiao on 24/7 Hatton vs Pacquiao where he is uncomfortable giving blood and has to take the day of training.

Floyd found out about this and found his way out of the fight.

And there you have it - D4's desperate crystal ball theory that I guaranteed you would be the only thing he could resort to.

On that note D4 loses and shows himself up, and I'm off to bed, busy day ahead tomorrow. Goodnight gents.

Goodnight.

What do you think about Floyd's gambling problem, betting 40k on NFL games, think he has bet up 100k on a game once.

Do you think it will all end in tears?

by Guest Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:53 pm

coxy0001 wrote:I know the mods hate this, but i ask:

If one member was permanently removed from the site, would that solve more than most of the problems we have on here?

It's a very honest question, and i think they know the answer

Sorry guys, but that's the truth and you know it

Who know's, probably not, i expect someone else would become the target.

In all seriousness, i'm getting bored of this regurgitation and argumentative nature. If it doesn't stop soon i'll be locking this thread till morning.

by Imperial Ghosty Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:55 pm

He didn't try to knock him, simply watch the fight and you'll deduce from it what every other person has that he went in their to get 12 rounds under his belt, nothing less nothing more.

Your too naive and lacking in basic intelligence to even debate anything with any coherent argument. It's all guesswork.

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:56 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:http://201.198.240.5/articles/Mayweather_Marquez.html

They were scheduled to fight at a catch-weight of 144 pounds, more than Marquez has ever fought and the lightest weight for Mayweather since 2005.

It was 144lbs fight, you agree Floyd broke his word to Marquez and why you might not care Roach had every right to care when signing a contract with this guy.

I have no problem with that clause. Floyd loves money so it makes sense. So Floyd inserted his clause into the contract and Manny ran. So how does it work that floyd is ducking?

Ok from the start of the negotiation to the blood test being brought up is a period of about 3 weeks, so was Floyd stalling for an excuse to get out of the fight.

We know that Pacquiao has given an interview saying that having blood taking the day before the Morales fight weakening him and we have seen footage of Pacquiao on 24/7 Hatton vs Pacquiao where he is uncomfortable giving blood and has to take the day of training.

Floyd found out about this and found his way out of the fight.

So why did Manny come up with multiple excuses before settling on that? Moreover can you imagine Usain Bolt saying the sme thing? Thats a BS excuse and you know it.

Manny has said from day one he will take any test the commission see fit. He only said that giving blood makes him feel week and it feels unnatural.

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:57 pm

imperialghosty wrote:He didn't try to knock him, simply watch the fight and you'll deduce from it what every other person has that he went in their to get 12 rounds under his belt, nothing less nothing more.

Your too naive and lacking in basic intelligence to even debate anything with any coherent argument. It's all guesswork.

Floyd is a safety first fighter and did not want to risk Marquez getting a big punch through. Floyd could not knock Marquez out.

by Imperial Ghosty Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:59 pm

Imagine Usain Bolt saying that, he'd be laughed at

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:00 pm

imperialghosty wrote:Imagine Usain Bolt saying that, he'd be laughed at

Usain Bolt does not test demanded by other athletes, he only does test required by the governing body of the sport, exactly what Pacquiao does.

by Imperial Ghosty Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:00 pm

You mean the way he was safety first against the far bigger punching Mosley, again please stop lying, I wont ask again

by azania Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:01 pm

Manny has said from day one he will take any test the commission see fit. He only said that giving blood makes him feel week and it feels unnatural.

So he will take any test so long as it doesn't involve giving a tiny amount of blood. That isn't taking any test the commission sees fit is it. What other sport can the athlete disctate to the doping agencies when and how to test them?

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:03 pm

imperialghosty wrote:You mean the way he was safety first against the far bigger punching Mosley, again please stop lying, I wont ask again

It was safety first. Come you you to agree with that one don't you. Mayweather is a safety first fighter.

by azania Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:04 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:Imagine Usain Bolt saying that, he'd be laughed at

Usain Bolt does not test demanded by other athletes, he only does test required by the governing body of the sport, exactly what Pacquiao does.

Bolt has given blood the day he races (before the race). He was blood tested the day before the Beijing olympic final.

Moreover Floyd did not demand anything from Manny in which he wasn't prepared to do himself. Taking blook which is replenished in 15 minutes doesn't affect the fighter. Manny was pretending. If he feels it does, send him a link from NHS.org to satify him. Or send him a sports psychologist.

by Imperial Ghosty Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:05 pm

He never complains about feeling weakened by the stringent testing does he nor does any major sports star, so again stop lying

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:05 pm

azania wrote:
Manny has said from day one he will take any test the commission see fit. He only said that giving blood makes him feel week and it feels unnatural.

So he will take any test so long as it doesn't involve giving a tiny amount of blood. That isn't taking any test the commission sees fit is it. What other sport can the athlete disctate to the doping agencies when and how to test them?

No if the commission would have order the test then I expect Manny to take them, the issues that come out of them he will just have to deal with. But the commission didn't Mayweather did.

If Tyson Gay asked Bolt to take his extra test would Bolt agree?

by azania Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:06 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:You mean the way he was safety first against the far bigger punching Mosley, again please stop lying, I wont ask again

It was safety first. Come you you to agree with that one don't you. Mayweather is a safety first fighter.

yes. Pac is more exciting a fighter. But Floyd is technically better and will win quite eaily when they do fight.

I'll have a bet with you. If they fight and Manny wins, I'll leave the board. If Floyd wins, you leave (assuming we're both not banned by then).

Deal?

by azania Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:07 pm

Floyd was prepared to walk the walk. Manny ducked out of it and the fight. FACT.

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:07 pm

imperialghosty wrote:He never complains about feeling weakened by the stringent testing does he nor does any major sports star, so again stop lying

Yes they do, the Jamaican athletes complained about it and so have other athletes.

by Imperial Ghosty Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:08 pm

Your missing the point yet again, they don't complain about feeling weakened do they?

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:09 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:You mean the way he was safety first against the far bigger punching Mosley, again please stop lying, I wont ask again

It was safety first. Come you you to agree with that one don't you. Mayweather is a safety first fighter.

yes. Pac is more exciting a fighter. But Floyd is technically better and will win quite eaily when they do fight.

I'll have a bet with you. If they fight and Manny wins, I'll leave the board. If Floyd wins, you leave (assuming we're both not banned by then).

Deal?

Well ofcourse, but I feel if Floyd wins some on here might actually want to talk to me.

But sadly I think Floyd will continue to duck.

by Imperial Ghosty Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:09 pm

Provide proof D4?

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:10 pm

imperialghosty wrote:Your missing the point yet again, they don't complain about feeling weakened do they?

I have felt weakened after giving blood, it take me a day to get back to my best.

by azania Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:10 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:He never complains about feeling weakened by the stringent testing does he nor does any major sports star, so again stop lying

Yes they do, the Jamaican athletes complained about it and so have other athletes.

No. They complained about the fact that they are tested so frequently via blood tests so clase to a race. As evidence has shown, it didn't affect them one jot. The person voicing the most complaints was Asafa Powell and soon after he ran the fastest leg in a 100m relay by any human being ever. FACT. Very Happy

Next excuse.

by azania Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:12 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:Your missing the point yet again, they don't complain about feeling weakened do they?

I have felt weakened after giving blood, it take me a day to get back to my best.

I gave a pint of blood on July 7, 2005. Had a cuppa and a rich tea and was ok after. April 5th 2006 my son was born Very Happy

by Imperial Ghosty Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:14 pm

Put it this way D4 your talking to the wrong man about giving blood here, even as a semi profressional cyclist I had to give blood from time to time, more for medical reasons than testing but still.

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:14 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jul/25/jamaican-athletes-drug-tests

Asafa Powell complained that he and fellow Jamaican sprinters were being targeted. "They are taking so much blood that we are going to be very weak for the finals of the 100 metres," he said

Your witness sir.

by Imperial Ghosty Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:18 pm

Did it weaken them or did they go on run faster than ever had before?

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:18 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:Your missing the point yet again, they don't complain about feeling weakened do they?

I have felt weakened after giving blood, it take me a day to get back to my best.

I gave a pint of blood on July 7, 2005. Had a cuppa and a rich tea and was ok after. April 5th 2006 my son was born

Different people react to giving blood differently, you and ghosty seemed to be fin with it but if affects other in different ways.

by azania Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:18 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jul/25/jamaican-athletes-drug-tests

Asafa Powell complained that he and fellow Jamaican sprinters were being targeted. "They are taking so much blood that we are going to be very weak for the finals of the 100 metres," he said

Your witness sir.

What are you on about and what has that link got to do with the FACT that the JA sprinters were blood tested at the olympics?

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:19 pm

imperialghosty wrote:Did it weaken them or did they go on run faster than ever had before?

Powell did poorly in the 100m final when all the testing was, without the testing he ran much faster in the relay.

by azania Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:20 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:Your missing the point yet again, they don't complain about feeling weakened do they?

I have felt weakened after giving blood, it take me a day to get back to my best.

I gave a pint of blood on July 7, 2005. Had a cuppa and a rich tea and was ok after. April 5th 2006 my son was born

Different people react to giving blood differently, you and ghosty seemed to be fin with it but if affects other in different ways.

Its a mental thing and not a physical thng. A good talking to is all thta is required. But why did the tattooed Pac first claim he was scared of needles?

by D4thincarnation Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:21 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jul/25/jamaican-athletes-drug-tests

Asafa Powell complained that he and fellow Jamaican sprinters were being targeted. "They are taking so much blood that we are going to be very weak for the finals of the 100 metres," he said

Your witness sir.

What are you on about and what has that link got to do with the FACT that the JA sprinters were blood tested at the olympics?

Feeling weak from blood tests.

by azania Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:22 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:Did it weaken them or did they go on run faster than ever had before?

Powell did poorly in the 100m final when all the testing was, without the testing he ran much faster in the relay.

Name me a global final in which Powell has run well? The man is a self acknowledged bottler. You are being less than honest again. The fact is that he ran faster in the relay AFTER being blood tested.

by azania Tue 29 Mar 2011, 11:24 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jul/25/jamaican-athletes-drug-tests

Asafa Powell complained that he and fellow Jamaican sprinters were being targeted. "They are taking so much blood that we are going to be very weak for the finals of the 100 metres," he said

Your witness sir.

What are you on about and what has that link got to do with the FACT that the JA sprinters were blood tested at the olympics?

So very true. Bolt only went and smashed the WR after being weakened by blood testing. D4, if you are going to debate roids and athletics, please use facts with me and not made up stuff. It insults my limited intelligence.

Feeling weak from blood tests.

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