England vs India 2nd Test debate

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Sides

England:

1) Andrew Strauss (C)
2) Alistair Cook
3) Jonathan Trott
4) Kevin Pietersen
5) Ian Bell
6) Eoin Morgan
7) Matt Prior (WK)
8) Tim Bresnan
9) Stuart Broad
10) Graeme Swann
11) James Anderson

India:

1) Abhinav Makund
2) Rahul Dravid
3) Sachin Tendulkar
4) VVS Laxman
5) Yuvraj Singh
6) Suresh Raina
7) MS Dhoni (WK)
8) Harbhajan Singh
9) Praveen Kumar
10) Sreesanth
11) Ishant Sharma

he has bowled well, it staggers me to why they didnt pick him for the 1st test

Sreesanth does seem to enjoty playing in England, but hes not a very likeable chap. Hes part of the reason why the last tour here was played in such a hostile bad tempered fashion.

Hes justified his inclussion so far, although he may end up finding himself out of pocket for it after going for Erasmus. That catch appeal just lacked class.

Dont expect England to bowl India out cheaply when they come in and conditions arent so helpful, they have a middle order well capable of taking this game away from England if they themselves are out for less than 400. The batting depth is going to be tested here.

We're in trouble.

85/4. Let's see if Morgan can play a proper test Innings like Matty Prior did on Sunday.

I just said to my Dad I think today will be the day Strauss gets a hundred, next ball he's out

Morgan now gone, England in deep trouble.

Thats a no then

KP has failed again... CF sorry but I might have to moan again about him

Morgan out as well, he's not a test batsman!

Bell and Prior to save England?

Thank god England have a long batting line-up.

F*** off Morgan. Get Bopara in or better yet, Taylor.

Well I can't see England making anything like 400 ! Strauss gone now after being marooned on 32 for an age...batting has looked hard work for everyone except Pietersen.
His was the big wicket today. Don't think Morgan will thrive today...OOPS!!

That did for him already ...

Trouble with Capital T...

Yeah, I'm having serious doubts about Morgan

Duty281 wrote:F*** off Morgan. Get Bopara in or better yet, Taylor.

Morgan over Ravi 'Give me one more chance' Bopara

Hildreth over Morgan.

Yep forget Hildreth. Him over Ravi any day.

Duty281 wrote:F*** off Morgan. Get Bopara in or better yet, Taylor.

Bopara

Taylor next in line probably unless the selectors still like Hildreth,

need England to dig deep here

I'd give Morgan the rest of the series, but let him know that if he keeps failing we'll be looking at other options in the winter.

Just as well we bat down to 10 today

Might need a few from Jimmy too...

The sending England in decision looking like a very good one now ...however I have a feeling that batting won't be so easy for India either.

Certainly looks like a result well inside 5 days unless we get a lot of rain later.

In fairness Morgan lasted 3 balls, Ravi wouldnt have done that...

Morgan in ODI cricket is brilliantly, but I've never felt he should have been anywhere near our test side

robbo277 wrote:I'd give Morgan the rest of the series, but let him know that if he keeps failing we'll be looking at other options in the winter.

would agree with this, however i feel if he has a good one day series the selectors will stick with him

Have India replaced Englands batsmen with Pakistanis?

When was the last time that Morgan really delivered in a test match?

Gregers wrote:In fairness Morgan lasted 3 balls, Ravi wouldnt have done that...

Morgan in ODI cricket is brilliantly, but I've never felt he should have been anywhere near our test side

the idea of having morgan is in hoping the top 5 make good runs so Morgan has some freedom when he comes in, however recently this hasnt been the case and morgan has been exposed to low scores

Yeah Morgan needs runs.

He's never totally convinced me as a Test batsman yet , but I like his strength of character and I think Flower does too. Suspect he'll get another match even if he fails in the second innings here - but he'd want to score then or they'd be tempted to try out someone else - (Taylor ? ) ahead of the winter tour.

Prior gone... Collapso. 88/6.

Loosen up those bowling arms Jimmy. With a bit of luck we can still get to 200.

Oh that was well bowled! Prior gone !

Deep in the mire now ...hope Broad has another innings in him ...

Or Bresnan ?

Gregers wrote:When was the last time that Morgan really delivered in a test match?

When was the last time Strauss did?

Morgan got two scores above 50 in his last two bats gainst Sri Lanka. His opportunities have been somewhat limited by Enghland rarely needing him to actually bat!

The series he played before that one was Pakistan, where he got a century. Off the back of that he lost his place to Collingwood for which the ECB were villified on the internets. Goes to show what we know eh.

An average of about 30 though ... he has to be under threat. If England lose this test its the obvious change to make to the batting lineup, bring in Ravi. I cant see them going leftfield and calling uyp Taylor after naming him Lions capatin.

I've already slated Strauss enough recently.

CALL UP HILDRETH! Not Ravi, please not Ravi.

This is going from bad to worse

Actually need Trebell here to declare game over ...may be the only hope of arresting the collapse

Bell to save England? Our best, and most underrated, batsmen IMO

I wouldnt say Bell is underrated after the last year or so, before that definitly because he wasn't as mentally strong as he is now.

What a drop!

Hard chance but should have taken that.

That would have been 98-7 and game over!

there's your life Belly now make the most of it!

Bell must go on and make a big score here now

Gregers wrote:Hard chance but should have taken that.

That would have been 98-7 and game over!

Don't think you can say game over, if Bell had gone and England rolled up quickly Anderson and co would be bowling in these conditions too and wouldnt be easy for the indian batters

BIG slice of luck for Bell there ! Dravid had that ... and then he didn't ...

100 up!

Okay I'll rephrase it would have been first innings over. Bell is our last chance of posting something close to respectable.

Even in these conditions its a 200-250+ first innings pitch.

Agree with Gregers. We'll need runs, we can't budget for rolling India out for 80 in the 4th innings like we did against Pakistan at Trent Bridge. 250 would be nice if we can get there, then try to bowl India out for the same.

I'd take 200 then get India in tonight and try and get through their top order. The conditions look like they'll be much better for batting tomorrow and Dravid/Laxman/Tendulkar/Raina scares me against our attack on a good batting pitch.

Mind you, if it look like its going to be cloudy tomorrow then we need not worry so much

India showing why they are best in the world.

hope we enjoyed our one win as they're clearly a class above and we;re like little headless chickens when the pressure comes on as ever. The personnel changes just made them stronger.

shambles of a team batting these days.

this being Trent it'll flatten and they'll get a massive amount.. or it won't and they will hate it as much as we do. but they are stronger at batting so i suspect we're on for a hammering side 3 days here.

anyone else lost the sound for it?

Gregers wrote:I'd take 200 then get India in tonight and try and get through their top order. The conditions look like they'll be much better for batting tomorrow and Dravid/Laxman/Tendulkar/Raina scares me against our attack on a good batting pitch.

Mind you, if it look like its going to be cloudy tomorrow then we need not worry so much

they are getting massive luck with the toss.

england are up against the worst of it every time.

cricketing gods love India it seems.

You cant expect to be in with a serious chance against any team if you dont make 200 regardless of conditions. Against a middle order like Indias England will be in trouble even if they get the swing and have posted 250.

Its not that bad a pitch, England have batted poorly.

Gregers wrote:Okay I'll rephrase it would have been first innings over. Bell is our last chance of posting something close to respectable.

Even in these conditions its a 200-250+ first innings pitch.

I reckon 250 in these conditions would be an excellent score. Four players have been cleaned up for just 7 runs , and two others have got to 30 and then fallen. A sign that this pitch is really tough to bat on today.

May be a bit easier later in the match , though I think there will be a fair bit for the bowlers throughout.

I fancy Jimmy and Bres would have had a bit of fun if India had batted first , but that's why they toss a coin at the start...

anyone else begining to wish Zaheer had been fit?

still a chance england can make 200 if Belly can stick around, Bres there still, Broad can stick in and Swann can add a few too

it's painful seeing how weak out batting is. India are a couple of levels abive.

alfie wrote:

Gregers wrote:Okay I'll rephrase it would have been first innings over. Bell is our last chance of posting something close to respectable.

Even in these conditions its a 200-250+ first innings pitch.

I reckon 250 in these conditions would be an excellent score. Four players have been cleaned up for just 7 runs , and two others have got to 30 and then fallen. A sign that this pitch is really tough to bat on today.

May be a bit easier later in the match , though I think there will be a fair bit for the bowlers throughout.

I fancy Jimmy and Bres would have had a bit of fun if India had batted first , but that's why they toss a coin at the start...

sadly these conditions are today.

if strauss can't sort is coin form out i say drop him, two easy wins handed to india they just forgot to take the first one. they turned up today and england can't live with them.