England vs India 2nd Test debate

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Sides

England:

1) Andrew Strauss (C)
2) Alistair Cook
3) Jonathan Trott
4) Kevin Pietersen
5) Ian Bell
6) Eoin Morgan
7) Matt Prior (WK)
8) Tim Bresnan
9) Stuart Broad
10) Graeme Swann
11) James Anderson

India:

1) Abhinav Makund
2) Rahul Dravid
3) Sachin Tendulkar
4) VVS Laxman
5) Yuvraj Singh
6) Suresh Raina
7) MS Dhoni (WK)
8) Harbhajan Singh
9) Praveen Kumar
10) Sreesanth
11) Ishant Sharma

Never write off this Indian batting line up. They are due to click sooner or later and a big score will follow. Bat until out i say

Hmm, the pitch has woken up.

With the way the ball is moving, England want to declare now and get India into bat.

its moving cos its a new ball, when the ball gets old it turns flat

Brave effort from Trott but he is gone now. Will Broad and Prior make alot more runs?

Broad is in some form.

Billy, I would never write them off, but i will say they are the most overrated batting side i have ever seen.

You're kidding aren't you peaceoff?

Cricketfan90, have you watched any of this match? the ball did little in both innings before 10 overs

Sorry to sound like a moaner, but how terrible is Umpire Erasmus? I'm an Umpire myself, but this guy seems pretty clueless.

peaceoff wrote:Billy, I would never write them off, but i will say they are the most overrated batting side i have ever seen.

If you're talking about India, then their 3.4 and 5 are legends of the game. Plus they are missing both openers.

I would'nt consider the Indian batting line up over rated. They didnt get to #1 in the world for nothing.

I honestly would have brought Broad in ahead of Bresnan

Linebreaker, no i'm not. i have been watching cricket since about 76, these are just flat track bullies, cliché, i know but they are, 3 innings so far here have they scored over 300 yet? The much maligned English batsmen have scored over 500 in most tests of late.

i think we need a lead of 350 to be honest..

Broad over bresnan would have been a better decision.

Morgan had a good little cameo, should have gone on tho. Prior to counter attack here. We need a lead of 350+ minimum.

good to see dravid and sreesanth shake belly's hand after he got out though,...

shows dravid is a true gent and sportsman

I think a lead of 350 is about right.

Yes India will have lots of time to bat, but they tend to score slowly and will be batting on a wearing pitch. They will be naturally cautious, so its not runs Enlgnad need to worry about, so much as having plenty of time to bowl them out.

Longhop, yes they are legends, and they are world class too, but imo they are overrated, put them against say. Hants in April here see if they average 50 then.

Gregers, Broad was picked over Bresnan, so what are you on about?

If Prior and Bresnan / Broad / Swann can see England to 400-450 Strauss should definitely declare.

peaceoff wrote:Gregers, Broad was picked over Bresnan, so what are you on about?

he means batting order!

peaceoff wrote:Gregers, Broad was picked over Bresnan, so what are you on about?

He means in the battling line up.

Gregors is an Indian wum, no England fan talks that much rubbish.

no he isnt.

peaceoff wrote:Gregers, Broad was picked over Bresnan, so what are you on about?

Um maybe why bresnan was sent out ahead of broad in the batting line up...

Broad showed in the first innings, and the first test, he is the better test batsman.

And now I'm an Indian wum? Brilliant peaceoff. It's called having opinions.

According to the TMS Producer, India will already have to chase the highest ever run total to win a Test match at Trent Bridge.

Y I Man wrote:Peaceoff, chill with the wum accusations.
Gregers has been a part of v2 for months and I can personally vouch that he is not a wum.

Eire he never meant that at all, i have been reading this site since the start, I feel i won.t fit in here you allow racist wums like him on here, bye bye, come back Trebbs, England need you.

Any less than 350 and we may well struggle. There is the odd demon but with the right application (something which the Indian batsmen have in bundles), it would be achievable.

dont make him get that red font out again!!

peaceoff wrote:Gregors is an Indian wum, no England fan talks that much rubbish.

Watching since '76 you say?

peaceoff wrote:Eire he never meant that at all, i have been reading this site since the start, I feel i won.t fit in here you allow racist wums like him on here, bye bye, come back Trebbs, England need you.

We've still got a lot of batting so 400 isn't impossible. Bat normally until close then see where we are tomorrow, what the pitch is like, what the forecast is and either declare on arrival, have a quick thrash or just keep batting normally. Still two days left in this game, and giving India 6 sessions to chase 320 would be redundant. 5 sessions to chase 400 would be a better equation.

Chill guys, lets just discuss the match eh?

Peaceoff, since Y I Man has already said his piece, I will leave my admin hat off but just advise you to have a 5 min break, think about what you are saying and (hopefully) realise you are jumping the gun somewhat.

Let's not spoil a thread that is thoroughly enjoyable.

Right ,now that that's all cleared up.

Prior showing why he is arguably the best wicket keeper batsman in the world atm. Not that I'm biased at all...

Should we be looking to declare tonight?

its certainly a intresting series, but the indians havent relle turned up in the field, especially harbajhan!

The lead is fast approaching 300. England have scored at an amazing rate today

Gregers wrote:Right ,now that that's all cleared up.

Prior showing why he is arguably the best wicket keeper batsman in the world atm. Not that I'm biased at all...

Should we be looking to declare tonight?

not with 2 days left, we should bat till lunch tomorrow

Yeah agree, the more the merrier robbo.

The shine getting knocked off the new ball so keep piling them on I say.

praveen kumar's gona explode lol

I had missed the whole of the Bell incident. watched the aftermaths outside, came back and read through cricinfo. Then read through the comments over here.
Well, according to the laws of the game, Ian Bell was out, and only he had himself to blaim for that. Mahendra Singh Dhoni did the right thing, according to the laws of the game.
Should Dhoni have recalled the batsman? Yes. If you remember Sydney 08 the game India got Bucknored, Anil Kumble said only one team played according to the spirit of the game.
Dhoni again did the right thing there. Bell has no claim to stay back out there, but the game of cricket, and its spirit suggests may he should have, and Right call from MSD, it would have been India's jelly bean moment. I don't know what kind of reaction he's going to get back here in India, already I could see both sides of the case being strongly argued out on the roads. India better win it from that point of view.

Now on to some of the reactions over here. Some got cot in the heat of the moment, and had a lot to say, most of them got back to their senses. But there are others. Others who supported Collingwood during a similar moment, those who supported Andrew Strauss when he denied a cramping Graeme Smith a runner.
Enough said.

Just try to get as many as possible. A target of 400 (if achieved) will be near on impossible

cant see india chasing 350-400

Gregers wrote:
Um maybe why bresnan was sent out ahead of broad in the batting line up...

Broad showed in the first innings, and the first test, he is the better test batsman.

And now I'm an Indian wum? Brilliant peaceoff. It's called having opinions.

You know that England hate changing batting lineups that are set in stone. Bresnan was given the no. 8 spot and there he remains. They might also think that Broad has more freedom at 9.

Msp83, I tip my hat to you. I think you've summed it all up perfectly.

Well played good sir

Regardless of how many we get, India will need at least 2 of DLT to stand-up.

Whats the weather looking like for the next couple of days? Any chance of rain?

Even so, I think England will want the best part of 2 days to bowl at India. Would declare at lunch tomorrow at the very latest.

the indians just look flat and not relle up for it any more

The forecast is for some rain on Tuesday dyre and overcast tomorrow. Batting will not get any easier. England, after being in a terrible position are now in a very strong position to go 2-0 up. Whou could have imagined that?

cricketfan90 wrote:the indians just look flat and not relle up for it any more

They need Mr Motivater Harbajan to pick them back up...