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1) Manny Pacquiao (welter)
2) Floyd Mayweather Jr (welter)
3) Sergio Martinez (middle)
4) JM Marquez (lightweight)
5) Wladimir Klitschko (heavy)
6) Pongsalek Wonjongkam (fly)
7) Timothy Bradley (light welter)
8) Nonito Donaire (bantam)
9) Fernando Montiel (bantam)
10) Juan Manuel Lopez (feather)

What's yours D4?

So, this is 606v2, eh? D4 of all people takes my v2 virginity.

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Nonito Donaire
6. Juan Manuel Lopez
7. Ponseklek Wongjonkam
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Fernando Montiel
10. Wladimir Klitschko

Changes every day, mind you.

At the moment.

1) Manny Pacquiao
2) Sergio Gabriel Martinez
3) Juan Manuel Marquez
4) Nonito Donaire
5) Carl Froch
6) Fernando Montiel
7) Miguel Angel Cotto
8) Amir Khan
9) Bernard Hopkins
10) Luis Concepcion

Active fighters based on perceived ability, recent record, and performances in the ring.

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Howdy Chris. Today has been my first proper day of posting here, have to say it's pretty decent and could be every bit as good as the original 606 if enough sound and knowledgeable posters sign up.

Pleased your liking the site Chris & Sugar Boy.
Its great to see the boxing community growing by the day

I'm pleasantly surprised by this forum but it's more about the people than the layout, it can only get better with an influx of members

Anyway my list based on the past 3 years

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather (could easily drop out altogether depending on activity)
3. Marquez
4. Martinez
5. Ponjongkam
6. Donaire
7. Montiel
8. Lopez
9. W. Klitschko
10. Bradley

Near misses for the brit trio of Froch, Khan and Haye who all feature in my top 20

imperialghosty wrote:I'm pleasantly surprised by this forum but it's more about the people than the layout, it can only get better with an influx of members

Agree IG, to quote a well known saying around these parts, "Spread the word and enjoy"

imperialghosty wrote:I'm pleasantly surprised by this forum but it's more about the people than the layout, it can only get better with an influx of members

Anyway my list based on the past 3 years

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather (could easily drop out altogether depending on activity)
3. Marquez
4. Martinez
5. Ponjongkam
6. Donaire
7. Montiel
8. Lopez
9. W. Klitschko
10. Bradley

Near misses for the brit trio of Froch, Khan and Haye who all feature in my top 20

Based the past 3yrs then froch should be in your top 3, he has faced top five calibre opponents in his division back to back

Froch is unlucky - as the top 5 divisional talnt e has faced aren't p4p. So he doesn't quite sneak in IMO.

Mine:
1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather (depending upon the courts and the judge)
3. Martinez
4. Ponjongkam
5. Marquez
6. Lopez
7. Donaire
8. Montiel
9. Bradley
10. W Klitschko

Changes all the time though...

D4thincarnation wrote:At the moment.

1) Manny Pacquiao
2) Sergio Gabriel Martinez
3) Juan Manuel Marquez
4) Nonito Donaire
5) Carl Froch
6) Fernando Montiel
7) Miguel Angel Cotto
8) Amir Khan
9) Bernard Hopkins
10) Luis Concepcion

Active fighters based on perceived ability, recent record, and performances in the ring.

Activity? Generally boxers active within the past 12 months should be included. How come you are missing the obvious man?

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:At the moment.

1) Manny Pacquiao
2) Sergio Gabriel Martinez
3) Juan Manuel Marquez
4) Nonito Donaire
5) Carl Froch
6) Fernando Montiel
7) Miguel Angel Cotto
8) Amir Khan
9) Bernard Hopkins
10) Luis Concepcion

Active fighters based on perceived ability, recent record, and performances in the ring.

Activity? Generally boxers active within the past 12 months should be included. How come you are missing the obvious man?

Are you not familiar with D4's opinions? Mayweathers last 4 opponents were all ranked in the p4p top ten when he fought them. He only fought Mosley 9 months ago and has fought 2 p4pers in the last 18 months, but D4 jumps on any opportunity to slight mayweather, in this case using inactivity to not include him in the top ten. Yet he puts in cotto, who is 3-2 in his last 5 fights. Not saying D4 isn't entitled to have an opinion, just that his opinion always carries the same undertone.

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azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:At the moment.

1) Manny Pacquiao
2) Sergio Gabriel Martinez
3) Juan Manuel Marquez
4) Nonito Donaire
5) Carl Froch
6) Fernando Montiel
7) Miguel Angel Cotto
8) Amir Khan
9) Bernard Hopkins
10) Luis Concepcion

Active fighters based on perceived ability, recent record, and performances in the ring.

Activity? Generally boxers active within the past 12 months should be included. How come you are missing the obvious man?

If Mayweather gets sent down, he is as good as finished in boxing if he get found not guilty, he still might finish with boxing, if he boxes again he it will not be before October, far to inactive to make my list. And with him saying he on vacation again for a year or two, he can also take a vacation from the p4p lists.

Weak. Very weak. The point is, he is still an active fighter in that he boxed 9 months ago. No ifs or buts about that. Yes you dislike Floyd. Your choice. But you not including him in the P4P stakes is petty to say the least. Grow some balls D4 and be impartial.

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If I can throw my views into the ring, I am very surprised by both D4's and Imperials lists.

Firstly, I know D4 loves Manny, but to not have Floyd on there is bizarre to say the least. I know he hasnt fought much in the last 12 months but still, it seems crazy.

and I was very surprised that Ghostey (as I will now call him :friend: ) put Manny at number 1, when from what I read on the forums, I thought he felt that Floyd would take him with ease. Unless I dont understand how this works, surely would that not mean that Floyd is above Manny in your p4p listings (bearing in mind they are both Welters).

I am not arguing the case for withers list - just my observations.

I dont feel that I have enough knowledge on all of the weight classes to make a reasonable list. And knowing me, I would most probably throw in a MMA fighter just to goad Ghostey a little

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froch based on opponents is more deserving than manny or floyd to be included in this list

Youarethegreatest wrote:froch based on opponents is more deserving than manny or floyd to be included in this list

I know you're a major fan of Froch - but that's plain wrong.

Froch's last 3 include a dodgy decision over Dirrell, who's gone on to retire; a clear loss to a blind Kessler (trochlear nerve/tendon problem - possibly a fractured trochlear - secondary to repeated headbutts, if anyone's interested) and a great performance over a once-hyped, now tarnished Abraham.

You yourself have scorned Manny's opponents on the grounds they'd been previously beaten - and that Manny was fighting "washed up" men. Please take care, therefore, to apply the same criticism to Froch's win over Abraham. Who'd just been shown as being one-dimensional and over-hyped whilst being torn apart by a rookie in Dirrell.

I'm not saying Froch didn't have a great win over Abraham. Just pointing out the obvious flaw in your arguments.

Anyway. Mosley/Marquez; or Cotto, Clottey, Margarito beat going 2-1 with Dirrell, Kessler and Abraham

D4thincarnation wrote:If a fighter may never fight again and has said they are taking a year or two out then, then I consider that not active.

For the record if he were still fighting he would be 3rd on my list.

still very weak. Also are you suggesting that martinez is a better P4P boxer that Floyd? That has to be a joke right?

Floyd is No 1.....easily also. Look how he schooled your No3 pick. How did Manny fare against Marquez again. Please tell us all. Did Marquez suddenly age for the Floyd fight and became younger for the Katsidis fight. Or was it the weight? The beating Floyd put down on him would not have made the slightest bit of difference if floyd weighed 126 lbs.

Take your blinkers off D4. You are better than that.

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We both know D4 that is was never Mayweathers intention to take Marquez out, I honestly feel that if he wanted to he could have at any point but the plan was always to go 12 rounds against a decent opponent (a great fighter but out of his comfort zone). The skill he showed in that fight proved to himself that he could still compete despite the 2 year lay off.

Hobo

On an overall p4p basis I have Mayweather a place above Pacquiao, 21 and 22 respectively, i'd also be fairly confident to bet money of a Mayweather win but the current rankings should take into account recent fights only and this is where Pacquiaos activity has him top of the pile.

It gets even more confusing when my 2010 p4p no. 1 is Sergio Martinez who's wins over Pavlik and Williams trumped anyone elses year.

I do find it absurd D4 that you've completely removed Mayweather from your list, up to your old tricks already, are you ever going to change?

Hobo i'd put my house on GSP ripping either a new a hole, christ that guy can fight, i'm actually quite up with UFC

Oxring a win is a win end of the day

In relative terms ignoring the fact Pacquiao has jumped up the weights i'd have to rate Frochs opponents higher than anyone in the world at the current time. 5 genuine top ten ranked fighters is an unbelievable sequence of fights and in such a competitive division, with Johnson, Ward, Kessler and Pascal on the horizon too

imperialghosty wrote:Oxring a win is a win end of the day

In relative terms ignoring the fact Pacquiao has jumped up the weights i'd have to rate Frochs opponents higher than anyone in the world at the current time. 5 genuine top ten ranked fighters is an unbelievable sequence of fights and in such a competitive division, with Johnson, Ward, Kessler and Pascal on the horizon too

Indeed true!

However; if you observe my previous post - you will notice that the poster in question suggested that on "opponents" - Froch was MORE deserving than Floyd or Manny to be at the top of the pile.

And I'm afraid a dodgy/close decision over Dirrell a loss to a faded Kessler and a good win over Abraham don't beat Mosley/Marquez or Cotto/Clottey/Margarito.

Strictly speaking ignoring weight hopping which as far as p4p rankings go is the foremost indication, Froch has faced better opposition than both, I wouldn't call the Dirrell decision dodgy, it was close but in no way undeserved, he connected with more telling blows and actually connected with a better percentage too. Think it's a bit soon to call Kessler faded, he is in all likelihood less faded than Cotto, Margarito and Mosley while being a far better boxer than Clottey.
Looking at it at face value ignoring weights and performances then I think it's hard to ignore Frochs claim to a high placing which for the aforementioned reasons see him slightly missing out on a top ten place.

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D4thincarnation wrote:Update to my p4p list.


01) Manny Pacquiao
02) Nonito Donaire
03) Sergio Gabriel Martinez
04) Juan Manuel Marquez
05) Carl Froch
06) Miguel Angel Cotto
07) Amir Khan
08) Bernard Hopkins
09) Luis Concepcion
10) Juan Manuel Lopez

If he fought yesterday against any welter and won, where would you put Floyd?

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D4thincarnation wrote:

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Update to my p4p list.


01) Manny Pacquiao
02) Nonito Donaire
03) Sergio Gabriel Martinez
04) Juan Manuel Marquez
05) Carl Froch
06) Miguel Angel Cotto
07) Amir Khan
08) Bernard Hopkins
09) Luis Concepcion
10) Juan Manuel Lopez

If he fought yesterday against any welter and won, where would you put Floyd?

Depends on who he beat and how?

Clottey by wide UD?

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D4

You actually believe that Donairre and Martinez are better boxers (P4P) that PBF? You're turning dislike of PBF into an art form.

When younger I absolutely detested SRL and was happy when Duran beat him. I actually thought Hagler won their fight, but in no way would I describe Hagler or Duran as a better all round fighter than SRL.

Pac, Donairre and Martinez are quality fighters, but as all round boxers, they are some distance behind Floyd.

Heres my current top 10,

1. Manny
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Donaire
5. Marquez
6. Hopkins
7. Wonjongkam
8. Lopez
9. Cotto
10. Froch

I change my mind constantly about Manny and Floyd but given Floyds inactivty it has to be Manny at no.1

How do people base their p4p? Cotto in the top 10? No Ward? Based on skill, then Ward has to be there. Based on accomplishment, BHop should be 3.

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azania wrote:How do people base their p4p? Cotto in the top 10? No Ward? Based on skill, then Ward has to be there. Based on accomplishment, BHop should be 3.

Head butting is under appreciated skill in boxing

looool. Bhop should have a third glove on his head. Come to think of it, so should Evander. Gloves should have been put on Tyson#s elbows also.

donaire is better than pacquiao as he fights legitimate challangers - great left hook not as good as martinez williams.
Donaire needs to disassociate himself from vic conte - is doesnt look good and it will raise questions

Youarethegreatest wrote:donaire is better than pacquiao as he fights legitimate challangers - great left hook not as good as martinez williams.
Donaire needs to disassociate himself from vic conte - is doesnt look good and it will raise questions

Vic Conte of BALCO? Mr steroid?

WTF is wrong with some people. No sports man should be going anywhere near Conte. Guilt by association is never correct but it leaves questionmarks.

my thoughts exactly azania, he should end that relationship but How great was donaire?? that was frightening! he is a better, more skilled, has more power than pacman. I dont see how he should be lower in the p4p list?

Youarethegreatest wrote:my thoughts exactly azania, he should end that relationship but How great was donaire?? that was frightening! he is a better, more skilled, has more power than pacman. I dont see how he should be lower in the p4p list?

He looked awesome. But on Pac's level? Not yet. Pac has proved it time and time again and I'm discounting his catchweight farces. At feather, Pac was superb. By going up in weight and beating Clottey and hatton, he has proved himself. PBF beats him hands down though.