confusion over release rules

out of cunfusion, how is it that welsh english based players cannot be released until august 4th (eg andy powell, dwayne) yet the english international players have been training together for a while now?

There's no confustion, the IRB define the international release period. If you want your players outside of that period, make sure your players have it in their contract or get their home RU to pay their club to release them.

I think you'll find that the Welsh based international players have also been training for a while now.

nottins wrote:There's no confustion, the IRB define the international release period. If you want your players outside of that period, make sure your players have it in their contract or get their home RU to pay their club to release them.

I think you'll find that the Welsh based international players have also been trianing for a while now.

That's understandable during the season but I don't see why players cant be released when there is no club rugby being played.

Cymroglan wrote:

nottins wrote:There's no confustion, the IRB define the international release period. If you want your players outside of that period, make sure your players have it in their contract or get their home RU to pay their club to release them.

I think you'll find that the Welsh based international players have also been trianing for a while now.

That's understandable during the season but I don't see why players cant be released when there is no club rugby being played.

It seems to be just a Welsh problem - the WRU has refused to talk to Premier Rugby - The Scottish players were released to their squad at the same time as the rest of the overseas based Scots players, 1st of July I think it was, and the PI players were released even earlier (for the Churchill Cup and the Nations Cup). No idea if it is down to high handedness by the WRU (refusing to talk to bodies as lowly as clubs) or to make a point to players leaving Wales to play abroad that the WRU isn't going to help them get release outside of windows.

Cymroglan wrote:
That's understandable during the season but I don't see why players cant be released when there is no club rugby being played.

Perhaps it's because the clubs hold the players contracts and have players in pre season training prior to the start of the season. As I said, the IRB define the release period. If a national side want their players outside of that, either get them playing in their own country with an agreement with the clubs to release them or pay the club they are playing for to release them. It really is that simple, but it's a good excuse for the Welsh fans to blame it on English clubs. Again.

but it's a good excuse for the Welsh fans to blame it on English clubs. Again.


Are you not capable of having one single debate without trying to blame every Welsh fan.

Oh dear, it seems the truth hurts and you have to resort to personal insults. The WRU refuse to talk with the English clubs and provide them with compensation for the Welsh international players to be released outside of the IRB defined release period, but it's the English clubs fault ? You really do need to get a grip on reality.

Cymroglan wrote:

nottins wrote:There's no confustion, the IRB define the international release period. If you want your players outside of that period, make sure your players have it in their contract or get their home RU to pay their club to release them.

I think you'll find that the Welsh based international players have also been trianing for a while now.

That's understandable during the season but I don't see why players cant be released when there is no club rugby being played.

The players are contracted to the clubs during the off-season as well. The clubs want the players to rest, they don't want them on rigorous training camps over the summer. I believe there is also an issue regarding insurance, although I don't know too much about it.

The WRU have flat-out refused to negotiate with PRL. I personally think that is a shrewd move, in that it forces the players to sort out these issues (as I believe Powell and Mitchell have), however if this means a player doesn't sort the release issue himself (as Peel didn't), then the WRU suffer - it's the nature of hard-line policies. But in the long-term it will be beneficial for Wales, because all Welsh players with serious International ambitions playing abroad will get the release dates written into their contracts.

On this thread nobody was blaming anybody the op asked a question and everything was going fine until you had to get your usual dig at Welsh fans.
There was no need for that comment but of course you had to put it in.
Any insults towards Wales or Welsh fans then I do take it personally especially when it comes from somebody with a history like yours I honestly thought you could have left the old 606 behind you and started a fresh page..

So, why mention the English based Welsh players if there was no blame ? Snoopster was the first to mention it was a "Welsh problem", not me.

The facts are that the English based Welsh players are rightfully being witheld as per the IRB rules and Welsh fans are complaining about it.

I've not insulted anyone, just stated facts. You're the one who's actually making the personal insults.

Snoopster wrote "Welsh problem", = WRU

You wrote ..but it's a good excuse for the Welsh fans to blame it on English clubs. Again.

The fact is Snoopster was answering in rugby terms you on the other hand just wanted a excuse to have a dig at welsh fans.
All you needed to do was answer the question and you did do it very well but then you had to add that bit in the end.
There was no need for it in any shape or form totally unnecessary and you are bright enough to realise it added nothing to the thread.

Oh grow up.

It has come up countless time that English clubs don't release Wales players outside the IRB defined periods. The fact is that the English clubs are acting wholly within the IRB rules and it's the Welsh fans that continually claim that it's not fair.

It's also quite clear that you're not adding anything to this thread except to claim some mock offence. Still making the personal insults I see.

Why on earth edit your last post are you not man enough to stand by what you said?

Cymroglan wrote:Why on earth edit your last post are you not man enough to stand by what you said?

What on earth are you talking about ? Do you want to actually stay on topic and stop making personal insults ?

Nottins it was your thread and you are entitled to edit it as much as you want,but the fact is you did edit it you changed,,,You are not bright enough to understand what is going on to Still making the personal insults I see.

As I said you are perfectly within your rights to edit your own article but at least be man enough to stand by your own convictions.
More often than not I have agreed with many things you have said over the last couple of years but tonight you have gone down in my estimation by being a liar and if there is one thing that puts me off a person is dishonesty.
I'm going to leave it at that but in future do not acknowledge me in any shape or form I want nothing more to do with you.

I'm quite happy we're now in the IRB defined release period. It should now stop the petty niggling from some posters.

Yes, we have a wonderful weekend of rugby ahead.

There will be more interesting things to talk about today and tomorrow... and the day after.

Best of luck to your teams this weekend guys and I hope mine does OK too!

Cymroglan wrote:Nottins it was your thread and you are entitled to edit it as much as you want,but the fact is you did edit it you changed,,,You are not bright enough to understand what is going on to Still making the personal insults I see.

As I said you are perfectly within your rights to edit your own article but at least be man enough to stand by your own convictions.
More often than not I have agreed with many things you have said over the last couple of years but tonight you have gone down in my estimation by being a liar and if there is one thing that puts me off a person is dishonesty.
I'm going to leave it at that but in future do not acknowledge me in any shape or form I want nothing more to do with you.

It is not my thread, it was created by a Welshman.

Again, stop with the personal insults.

And I will reply to any post I want to. Thanks.

Did`nt some England players playing Top14 have a similar problem,
As I understood it,the case was Country First for specified tests,but problems could arise out of so called friendlies outside the IRB window ?