I'm not sure I like the newish 606v2 RU filters

by Portnoy Tue 16 Aug 2011, 1:18 pm

The International/Club pre-filter sort of obscures the board if you understand me.

Is it a success?

by Portnoy Tue 16 Aug 2011, 1:32 pm

Poopie.

I posted this under the International filter didn't I?

Which sort of enforces my question.

So how do I get this post descended to ground floor?

by Adam D Tue 16 Aug 2011, 1:32 pm

You do realise that along the top of the navigation bar there is a "my posts" section that lets you see what articles you have commented on have received a reply.

by Portnoy Tue 16 Aug 2011, 1:36 pm

Hobo wrote:You do realise that along the top of the navigation bar there is a "my posts" section that lets you see what articles you have commented on have received a reply.

Yes Hobo. I have it on my personal navigation bar.

Could you redirect this article to the general RU section please?

by OzT Tue 16 Aug 2011, 1:38 pm

Not keen on the Watch This Topic For Replies default when I post something, always have to click that off, but otherwise happy with it.

but really mods, Holly Wilaboobie is NOT a naughty word!!

Smile

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 16 Aug 2011, 1:44 pm

OzT wrote:Not keen on the Watch This Topic For Replies default when I post something, always have to click that off, but otherwise happy with it.

but really mods, Holly Wilaboobie is NOT a naughty word!!

Oz, if you click on <Profile> then <Preferences> you can change the "Always notify me of replies :" default

by Portnoy Tue 16 Aug 2011, 1:49 pm

Any chance of transferring this post to the general board Kiwi, Hobo, Anyone?

Hello is there anyone there?

by Portnoy Tue 16 Aug 2011, 1:52 pm

Ah thank you somebody. Now in the General RU section. heart

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 16 Aug 2011, 1:53 pm

Portnoy wrote:Any chance of transferring this post to the general board Kiwi, Hobo, Anyone?

Hello is there anyone there?

I moved it before your last post Portnoy. Actually I moved it before my last post Wink

by Portnoy Tue 16 Aug 2011, 2:00 pm

Thanks Kiwi.

:Kiss: :Kiss: :Kiss:

by Guest Tue 16 Aug 2011, 2:03 pm

There's a blue Holly Willaboobie in my garden. It fact there are two.

Nice pair.

Snigger.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Tue 16 Aug 2011, 2:11 pm

It would make far more sense to have the popular section (currently international) on the front page and the largely irrelavant stuff in sub sections if you are going to insist on having them at all.

by OzT Tue 16 Aug 2011, 2:12 pm

Kiwireddevil wrote:
OzT wrote:Not keen on the Watch This Topic For Replies default when I post something, always have to click that off, but otherwise happy with it.

but really mods, Holly Wilaboobie is NOT a naughty word!!

Oz, if you click on <Profile> then <Preferences> you can change the "Always notify me of replies :" default

Thanks Kiwi, done!!

Cheers

by OzT Tue 16 Aug 2011, 2:14 pm

SafeAs, how come you got Holly Willaboobie and I got blue jubblies in mine???

by Guest Tue 16 Aug 2011, 2:36 pm

OzT wrote:SafeAs, how come you got Holly Willaboobie and I got blue jubblies in mine???

Must be the regional variations Laugh

by Portnoy Wed 17 Aug 2011, 11:37 am

Just to re-raise my post again. Only because I want v2 to succeed.

Do only fifteen souls have an opinion?

by **rodders** Wed 17 Aug 2011, 11:44 am

Portnoy wrote:
Do only fifteen souls have an opinion?

Actually only 12 had an opinion. 3 were indifferent including me Wink

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by Portnoy Wed 17 Aug 2011, 11:50 am

roddersm wrote:
Portnoy wrote:
Do only fifteen souls have an opinion?

Actually only 12 had an opinion. 3 were indifferent including me .

And at the potential accusation of doing their market research for them, that makes it 80% that express an opinion.

by Guest Wed 17 Aug 2011, 11:56 am

Portnoy wrote:Just to re-raise my post again. Only because I want v2 to succeed.

Do only fifteen souls have an opinion?

It already is a success.
Close to 3000 members in 7 months, on average 2m hits per month, twitter accounts being followed by hundreds of people, partnerships with other sites and companies, competitions & Q&A's with sport stars.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed 17 Aug 2011, 12:03 pm

Bearing in mind that old 606 was down to 15,000 regular users last year (according to one of the Beeb's justifications for closing it), most of whom were football posters* we've done pretty well so far.

*V2 deliberately didn't target the football mob on old 606.

by Portnoy Wed 17 Aug 2011, 12:09 pm

Y I Man wrote:
Portnoy wrote:Just to re-raise my post again. Only because I want v2 to succeed.

Do only fifteen souls have an opinion?
It already is a success.
Close to 3000 members in 7 months, on average 2m hits per month, twitter accounts being followed by hundreds of people, partnerships with other sites and companies, competitions & Q&A's with sport stars.

Thanks for the corporate buzz YI, But the alternative v2 offerings are not really relevant to how the online users of the site it opportunistically hijacked.

I'm only questioning the pre-filters which I don't think help the experience.

by **rodders** Wed 17 Aug 2011, 12:43 pm

Portnoy wrote:
I'm only questioning the pre-filters which I don't think help the experience.

Maybe their should be a sticky at the top for users to provide feedback to the mods? I'm sure this was discussed before it was changed?

by Portnoy Wed 17 Aug 2011, 12:52 pm

roddersm wrote:
Portnoy wrote:
I'm only questioning the pre-filters which I don't think help the experience.

Maybe their should be a sticky at the top for users to provide feedback to the mods? I'm sure this was discussed before it was changed?

Before I joined (as I remained loyal to v1 to the very last), I stood apart from the filter debate as existing users had some idea of what wcan'tas being proposed.

But I can't say that I like the pre-filters.

by Feckless Rogue Wed 17 Aug 2011, 2:48 pm

I personally preferred just a one rugby union section. I don't think there's any need for sub sections. When you go to the international subsection, there's another subsection called 'dream team picks'. Nobody has posted anything in it for two weeks. People just talk about their team picks in the international section. What's the point of the extra sub-section? If anything it makes it less likely that people will read anything posted in it.

I don't see the why club and international are separated into different sections either. What's wrong with seeing posts on both at the same time? Maybe my preference is down to how I used 606v1. I'd just click on 'Rugby Union', skim over all the article titles and click on the ones I wanted to read. Just seems easier to me.

by Adam D Wed 17 Aug 2011, 3:12 pm

got rid of the dream team section - merged it into the international one

by Portnoy Wed 17 Aug 2011, 3:56 pm

Of 25 cats that have expressed an opinion, only four prefer the new Whiskas blend.

Most moggies apparently have in their sniffy feline way have mooched off.

You have to love pussies don't you?

by Feckless Rogue Wed 17 Aug 2011, 4:04 pm

Oh cheers Hobo. Thanks for listening to my points.

by robbo277 Wed 17 Aug 2011, 4:16 pm

I didn't like the dream team picks section. It was created because there were a number of posts with polls on who should be in the World Cup squads for various nations, but as soon as the series of who should be in the England World Cup squad that I started got moved across all debate died.

I think International, club and general works okay though. I think the division will be better when the board gets busier (probably around the start of the NH season/World Cup starts), so it is good to establish the distinct sections now before it becomes a necessity.

by **Notch** Thu 18 Aug 2011, 2:48 pm

There's not much going on in the Club section, but during the World Cup having a distinct international section will be a revelation.

Us die hards will be discussing the much depleted Pro12 and a Club Rugby section will ensure those threads aren't buried before they are read by anyone who would be interested.

The World Cup will just roll over everything non-World Cup otherwise.

by Portnoy Thu 18 Aug 2011, 3:30 pm

The current vote is not exactly overwhelming in favour is i?

by Guest Thu 18 Aug 2011, 3:35 pm

robbo277 wrote:
I think International, club and general works okay though. I think the division will be better when the board gets busier (probably around the start of the NH season/World Cup starts), so it is good to establish the distinct sections now before it becomes a necessity.

This quote is spot on.

by Portnoy Thu 18 Aug 2011, 3:43 pm

rugbydreamer wrote:
robbo277 wrote:
I think International, club and general works okay though. I think the division will be better when the board gets busier (probably around the start of the NH season/World Cup starts), so it is good to establish the distinct sections now before it becomes a necessity.

This quote is spot on.

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I disagree. The ability and preparedness of the mods and amins and above to merge posts makes the prefilter unnecessary.

by Guest Thu 18 Aug 2011, 3:47 pm

It's not that there will be duplicate posts to merge Portnoy, but the sheer quantity of articles that are being created each day on here already (before the new season has even started), and the inability for us to have a filter for individual teams means that sub sections will be necessary.

For example, say someone puts up a thread about the Tigers, but there are so many other threads being generated, it gets pushed down the main page before it's even seen. Without the filter ability, how many people are going to go searching through pages just to find something they've never even seen?

by Portnoy Thu 18 Aug 2011, 4:02 pm

rugbydreamer wrote:

For example, say someone puts up a thread about the Tigers, but there are so many other threads being generated, it gets pushed down the main page before it's even seen. Without the filter ability, how many people are going to go searching through pages just to find something they've never even seen?

A threat of the board being swamped by Tigers' (or any other English side for that matter) is pretty remote on this or even v1.

The fact that a topic falls down the table is a product of two factors: general interest and the poster.

by **Notch** Thu 18 Aug 2011, 4:19 pm

Portnoy wrote:The current vote is not exactly overwhelming in favour is i?

If I'm outvoted I can live with that Smile

I think we should be able to cater to all interests, both minority and mainstream. Some of the best posts I read on 606 had the smallest number of responses or were on more obscure topics. I'm sure there will be plenty of people who just want to chat about the World Cup and maybe don't have a particularly strong club allegiance. There's others who will want to be talking about club/provincial rugby in the same timeframe. The experience is better and more streamlined for both imo. It's not so different to have a rugby board and a boxing board etc.

Obviously if the majority of posters overrule me on this the mods may have to think about it, but I would just counsel you to bide your time and wait and see what the dynamic of the board is like during the RWC.

by Portnoy Thu 18 Aug 2011, 4:28 pm

I'd go with your view - sort of.

Once the rugby season gets going, I would prefer a post-filter. See the posts and then filter into the ones you have an interest in.

I don't know if that's technically possible though.

But I find the pre-filter detracts from the experience.

by Guest Thu 18 Aug 2011, 6:22 pm

Portnoy wrote:
rugbydreamer wrote:

For example, say someone puts up a thread about the Tigers, but there are so many other threads being generated, it gets pushed down the main page before it's even seen. Without the filter ability, how many people are going to go searching through pages just to find something they've never even seen?

A threat of the board being swamped by Tigers' (or any other English side for that matter) is pretty remote on this or even v1.

The fact that a topic falls down the table is a product of two factors: general interest and the poster.

when did I say it was going to be swamped by the Tigers??

My point was that if a (just the one post) about the Tigers appeared at the same time as lots of other articles (about different things), it could easily get pushed down off the first page (that is how busy this board is already) without being seen, and there is no filter function on here to help Leicester fans read it. It could get lost. That's just an example of what could happen, and why when the boards get even busier the subsections are necessery.

by Portnoy Thu 18 Aug 2011, 6:39 pm

rugbydreamer wrote:
Portnoy wrote:
rugbydreamer wrote:

For example, say someone puts up a thread about the Tigers, but there are so many other threads being generated, it gets pushed down the main page before it's even seen. Without the filter ability, how many people are going to go searching through pages just to find something they've never even seen?

A threat of the board being swamped by Tigers' (or any other English side for that matter) is pretty remote on this or even v1.

The fact that a topic falls down the table is a product of two factors: general interest and the poster.

when did I say it was going to be swamped by the Tigers??

You didn't and I extrapolated.But I still don't see the point of pre-filters along with the majority of RU punters who have expressed an opinion.

My point was that if a (just the one post) about the Tigers appeared at the same time as lots of other articles (about different things), it could easily get pushed down off the first page (that is how busy this board is already) without being seen, and there is no filter function on here to help Leicester fans read it. It could get lost. That's just an example of what could happen, and why when the boards get even busier the subsections are necessery.

by Guest Thu 18 Aug 2011, 8:12 pm

So you can't see that they're going to be necessary when the boards get busier (which they obviously will), and that it's easier to phase them in now?

by robbo277 Thu 18 Aug 2011, 10:15 pm

It's not like you have to go through about 8 pages before you have to get to what you want. Either you know what you want to discuss (eg: England's team selection) so you come onto the rugby board, skip to International and get involved with a discussion, or start one if there isn't one.

If not you just have to search around for a discussion that interests you. For me I'd have a quick look at the general board (with the sub-categories at the top) as I often find these discussions more interesting than team selection. Than my preference would be International, but on the International off-season I can skip that and go straight to club.

It's different, and in general people are reluctant to change, especially if the old system worked (even at only 60% efficiency). This change is for the better, especially as the board grows and grows (which we all hope it does). I don't think we lose all that much bringing this system in now, and long-term the rewards will be evident and we won't lose valuable discussions to countless International Team selection/Heineken Cup articles at the hub of their activity. This way everything is neatly ordered and if you want to discuss a point you know where to find a discussion (which reduces the risk of duplicates), and if you want to just browse then you can. Take 5 minutes to find a discussion worth taking part in. thumbsup

by Portnoy Fri 19 Aug 2011, 9:17 am

rugbydreamer wrote:So you can't see that they're going to be necessary when the boards get busier (which they obviously will), and that it's easier to phase them in now?

I'm not anti, dreamer. But as I have effectively sold on the pre-filter. Personally I'd prefer to have a post filter once I've found the posts that interest me.

And there is also the problem that you find that users don't use the system as expected - so general posts can end up or start out in the international section or whatever.

I have no idea how the platform software works, but if I were designing it, the user would be invited to pre-categorise the new topic accordingly.

by Adam D Fri 19 Aug 2011, 9:19 am

There is little flexibility in the system currently.

If we were to build our own software it might be different.

All we can do is make sections, stickies etc and move threads. Its not possible to make threads appear in two sections.

I think the sections are working well - may be time to move the new kits one soon.

by Portnoy Fri 19 Aug 2011, 9:39 am

That's what I thought Hobo. This post is not a criticism - more an observation. I didn't express any opinion when the pre-filter suggestion was initially mooted as I had had no previous experience of the look and feel.

Personally I tend to drop through the stickies normally (unless I pop into the pub to see what's going on).

But the Sections (to me) just get in the way. But that's just the opinion of a grumpy Saga lout.

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