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Post by Liam_Main Wed 17 Aug 2011, 7:10 pm

First topic message reminder :

England line-up:

1) Andrew Strauss (C)
2) Alistair Cook
3) Ian Bell
4) Kevin Pietersen
5) Eoin Morgan
6) Ravi Bopara
7) Matt Prior (WK)
8) Tim Bresnan
9) Stuart Broad
10) Graeme Swann
11) James Anderson

India line up:

1) Gautam Gambhir
2) Virender Sehwag
3) Rahul Dravid
4) Sachin Tendulkar
5) VVS Laxman
6) Suresh Raina
7) MS Dhoni (C,WK)
8) Amit Mishra
9) Ishant Sharma
10) Sreesanth
11) RP Singh


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Post by eirebilly Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:13 pm

Is this Indias biggest partnership of the series??
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Post by Guest Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:13 pm

swanny thinks he has a plumb lbw turned down.

its very close.

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Post by Fists of Fury Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:14 pm

I did want Sachin to get his ton, but not at our expense. It is getting silly now, should have been given out on a couple of occasions, and Cook should have held on to that one earlier on.

One of the worst of the 100 centuries, I'd think.

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Post by alfie Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:14 pm

Not keen on the KP option just now ... I thought things were happening a bit and this releases the pressure.
Apart from anything else it gives easy runs - at this rate they'll be nearly level when the new ball comes due...

And Dropped !!! Oh Matty ... Sad

And now a close "no shot" lbw ...

Going to have to bowl him today...

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Post by hodge Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:14 pm

theres another one..... admittidly wouldnt be given on referal, but is hitting the stumps

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:14 pm

Fists of Fury wrote:Sentiment creeping into the umpiring?

And the wicket keeping? Another drop

Theres no way he was going to give Tendulkar lbw. Its rare he gets given anyway, in this kind situation never.
Clipped the wicket there, could have been given out a second time. OFirst one he should, this one borderline.


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Post by GSC Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:15 pm

Safe to say this one won't be the best of the 100 centuries.

India are fighting yes, but without rain they'd probably have still lost heavily. Puts it into perspective how dominant England have been.
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Post by eirebilly Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:15 pm

A right pair of shockers there from Taufel. I know it happens but they were both shocking
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Post by Guest Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:16 pm

the last one wasnt a shocker

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Post by Carrotdude Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:16 pm

Swann has been so unlucky today, had Tendulkar dropped twice and should have had him LBW too. At least it doesn't matter in terms of the series. People on balcony shouldn't be telling Swann it was out (the last LBW) because it wouldn't have been overturned on referral.

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Post by GSC Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:17 pm

The last one wasn't shocking. Hawkeye suggested it was doubtful.

The first one plumb however. A different batsman may well have been back in the pavilion
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:17 pm

Carrotdude wrote:Swann has been so unlucky today, had Tendulkar dropped twice and should have had him LBW too. At least it doesn't matter in terms of the series. People on balcony shouldn't be telling Swann it was out (the last LBW) because it wouldn't have been overturned on referral.

But a decision of out would have been correct.

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Post by Guest Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:17 pm

eirebilly wrote:A right pair of shockers there from Taufel. I know it happens but they were both shocking

he had to be guessing, with the amount of spin swanny is getting.

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Post by alfie Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:17 pm

No you can't blame Taufel - too much guesswork...but it shows Sachin is blessed today ...

Good fielders can't catch him and close lbws aren't quite sure enough ...the 100 seems to be "written"

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Post by Carrotdude Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:17 pm

The Prior drop was a tough one, it deviated quite a lot and he had no time to adjust, it hit the webbing and bounced out. Cook should have taken his though and tbf England should have appealed for the stumping last night!

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Post by eirebilly Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:18 pm

Just saw it again and it was close. My first reaction was out though and it looked plumb to the naked eye.
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Post by Carrotdude Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:19 pm

alfie wrote:No you can't blame Taufel - too much guesswork...but it shows Sachin is blessed today ...

Good fielders can't catch him and close lbws aren't quite sure enough ...the 100 seems to be "written"

Agreed. I think the hundredth hundred has been playing on his mind and he needed a nice lucky innings to help him get it. Glad this isn't the first match of the series because he'll probably get a load more once he gets this one.

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Post by eirebilly Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:20 pm

On this showing i would'nt bet against Mishra getting to 100 first
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Post by alfie Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:20 pm

Anyway: apart from Sachin , Mishra looks to have a century for the taking

THAT DID HIM ! Very Happy

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Post by GSC Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:20 pm

Mishra gone. A few more before tea needed I think.
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Post by Carrotdude Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:21 pm

YES SWANNY!

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Post by GSC Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:21 pm

Dont start betting billy Wink
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Post by Guest Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:21 pm

mishra gone, its a tough wicket to come in and and start against the spinner.

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Post by Carrotdude Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:21 pm

He's really deserved that one, been a bit hard done by today has Graeme. Need to get rid of Raina quickly and hope Dhoni doesn't have one of his good days.

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Post by eirebilly Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:21 pm

Wow, nasty curse from me there. Sorry Mishra Smile
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Post by alfie Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:22 pm

So , a sniff of a chance again ...another one now and who knows...

And very well played Mishra clap

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Post by Guest Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:22 pm

raina on a pair

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Post by alfie Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:24 pm

No KP now please : Bresnan to rough up Raina?

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Post by GSC Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:25 pm

Bresnan gets Tendulkar first ball. no 100 100s this time.
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Post by hodge Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:26 pm

Yahoo

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Post by robbo277 Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:26 pm

Good move bringing Bresnan back here. We don't want Raina getting a rank 4-ball from KP and getting into any kind of groove. Keep the pressure up!

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Post by eirebilly Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:26 pm

Swann can still turn this on its head. Difficult decision for Strauss soon. Will he take the new ball if Swann is causing this many problems.

Bresnan Very Happy. No ton for Tenders
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:26 pm

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Post by Fists of Fury Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:26 pm

Hahahaha oh dear Sachin - I did want him to get his ton, but his luck has run out, and he admittedly doesn't deserve a ton today.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:27 pm

Was it Triffle that gave it?

His face betrays that even he believes in the Tendulkar law. Fully expect the umpire to be hounded out of the game now.

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Post by alfie Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:28 pm

GONE !

Not Raina but Sachin...

Good decision and the end of a brave if flawed innings clap clap clap

Bresnan has perhaps just won the game for England?

Way to go yet but two new bats and a new ball almost due ...

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Post by Carrotdude Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:28 pm

He's gone now for 91! Feel a bit sorry for him tbh, not a wrong decision, wouldn't have been overturned either way so you can't say it's bad. Surprised he gave it out as it wasn't completely plumb but it looked out to me live.

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Post by eirebilly Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:29 pm

Not at all what India would have wanted. Both set batsmen out now. England should still have to bat again though.
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Post by robbo277 Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:30 pm

Should have put money on England at 5/2. They're down to 8/11 now with the draw at 11/10 (on SkyBet).

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Post by GSC Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:31 pm

It was Tucker.

I doubt Tendulkar himself would be too pleased with that 100. The 100th 100 deserves a better innings than 1 where he should've been out a few times.
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Post by Fists of Fury Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:31 pm

I do feel sorry for him deep down, and am sure I will more so if we go on to win. However, I'm more concerned with an England victory than a personal achievement of one of our opposition.

Sachin's day will come.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:32 pm

We really could end uup with a small rtight run chase and a t20 style finish around 7pm ...what way to end a series that would be.

If England needed say 40 off 5 overs who would get sent in?

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Post by alfie Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:33 pm

I know it was close, only just hitting , but it really looked out , live . (to my eyes anyway)

Brave decision though = Tucker would have been burned in effigy if Hawkeye had shown it missing Smile

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Post by Beer Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:33 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:We really could end uup with a small rtight run chase and a t20 style finish around 7pm ...what way to end a series that would be.

If England needed say 40 off 5 overs who would get sent in?

KP and Prior.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:33 pm

Fists of Fury wrote:I do feel sorry for him deep down, and am sure I will more so if we go on to win. However, I'm more concerned with an England victory than a personal achievement of one of our opposition.

Sachin's day will come.

If its not hard to come by its not and acheivement. That hes gfone through this series makes it a biger thing when he does get it...Im assuming hes in the ODIs? I can see him getting one there.

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Post by Guest Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:34 pm

what a difference a couple of wickets make Smile

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Post by alfie Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:34 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:We really could end uup with a small rtight run chase and a t20 style finish around 7pm ...what way to end a series that would be.

If England needed say 40 off 5 overs who would get sent in?

KP and Matt Prior?

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Post by robbo277 Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:35 pm

I don't think it will be 40 off 5. 55 overs left today, 2 for the changeover leaves 53. India only trail by 29, so they should get more than 70 if they bat 48 overs.

I think we'll open with Cook and Strauss regardless.

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Post by Guest Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:36 pm

also news coming out that sehwag and ishant are out of the odi series.

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Post by alfie Mon 22 Aug 2011, 2:36 pm

Ha ha King Beer and I are agreed it seems ... Very Happy

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