Irish World Cup 30

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Declan Kidney announced the Ireland Rugby Squad for the Rugby World Cup in New Zealand today.


The squad will be captained by Brian O'Driscoll.

Forwards (16) Caps in Brackets

Props (4)
Tony Buckley (Sale Sharks)(23)
Tom Court (Malone/Ulster)(20)
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)(20)
Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)(9)

Hookers (3)

Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster)(49)
Sean Cronin (not assigned club yet/Leinster)(13)
Jerry Flannery (Shannon/Munster)(39)

Second Rows (4)

Leo Cullen (Blackrock College/Leinster)(31)
Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster)(74)
Paul O'Connell (Young Munster/Munster)(77)
Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)(9)

Backrows (5)

Stephen Ferris (Dungannon/Ulster)(25)
Jamie Heaslip (Naas/Leinster)(37)
Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution/Munster)(52)
Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)(11)
David Wallace (Garryowen/Munster)(72)

Backs (14)

Scrumhalves (3)

Isaac Boss (Terenure College/Leinster)(14)
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)(1)
Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster)(31)

Outhalves (2)

Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution/Munster)(110)
Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster)(18)

Centres (3)

Gordon D'Arcy (Lansdowne/Leinster)(58)
Brian O'Driscoll (UCD/Leinster) captain(113)
Paddy Wallace (Ballymena/Ulster)(28)

Outside Backs (6)

Tommy Bowe (Ospreys)(39)
Keith Earls (Thomond/Munster)(20)
Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster)(29)
Geordan Murphy (Leicester Tigers)(69)
Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster)(4)
Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)(35)

Provincial Breakdown; Leinster 13, Munster 9, Ulster 5, Overseas 3

And the county breakdown. There are 12 counties and 2 overseas countries represented in the squad. For players born oversea but who grew up in Ireland, I put them down in the county they grew up and regard themselves as being from.

Limerick (7); Cronin, Flannery, Poc, D. Wallace, Reddan, Murray, Earls
Cork (4); Buckley, Ross, Doc, Rog
Dublin (3); Bod, Healy, Sexton
Kildare (3); Heaslip, G. Murphy, McFadden
Tipperary (2); Leamy, Ryan
Antrim (1); Ferris
Down (1); P.Wallace
Carlow (1); O'Brien
Armagh (1); Best
Wicklow (1); Cullen
Wexford (1); D'arcy
Louth (1); Kearney
Monaghan (1); Bowe
Derry/Londonderry/Whatever you want yourself (1); Trimble
Brisbane (1); Court
Tokoroa (1); Boss

That breaks down as;
Munster 13
Leinster 10
Ulster 5
Abroad/Poaches 2

Notch wrote:Actually Val, Paddy Wallace is from the East side of the City- actually Dundonald which has sort of been absorbed into East Belfast. Which is in County Down. Belfast is a funny town, because it is the County town of Antrim; but the border between Antrim and Down is the river which runs through the city. So a large part of the city is in County Down. Nobody quite knows how much...

Limerick (8); Cronin, Flannery, Poc, Ryan, D. Wallace, Reddan, Murray, Earls
Cork (4); Buckley, Ross, Doc, Rog
Dublin (3); Bod, Healy, Sexton
Kildare (3); Heaslip, G. Murphy, McFadden
Antrim (1); Ferris
Down (1); P. Wallace
Carlow (1); O'Brien
Armagh (1); Best
Wicklow (1); Cullen
Tipperary (1); Leamy
Wexford (1); D'arcy
Louth (1); Kearney
Monaghan (1); Bowe
Derry/Londonderry (1); Trimble
Brisbane (1); Court
Tokoroa (1); Boss

Cheers notch I wasn't sure where abouts in the city he was from so just went for antrim will fix it now. And yes belfast is awful confusing at times, you'd think you'd get used to after a while but........

On Balance I am happy with that.

I am thrilled at Boss Murray and Redan. They were the ones I had picked all along.

I can live with Leamy over Jennings. Jeno did himself no favours on Saturday.

D Ryan over McCarthy and McLaughlin was always my call too.

Murphy looked way off the pace v Connacht but he is a better FB than Fitz.

McFadden is better in the centre than Fitz. (And handy on the wing too)

Earls or Fitz was the call for me, and I think Earlsie has been better over the last while despite having a howler on Saturday.

He will be on the bench with Trimble and Bowe on the wings I'd say

The one that sticks in my throat is Paddy Fecken Wallace. Fitz has more talent in his bootlace on an off day.

However I will accept that as part of the overall, seeing as Dekko has made the right calls everywhere else.

Hallelujah!

God bless Declan Kidney.

Delighted for Conor Murray.

I do agree the McFadden/Fitzgerald one must have been very close!

[quote="red_stag"]

valjester wrote:

Feagh McHugh wrote:Limerick is probably the only county in rural Ireland where rugby is the number one sport over gaa.

Limerick City?? Rural Ireland?

Rural Ireland as outside of Dublin, sorry.

valjester wrote:I just added this to the op, might be of interest to some.

Provincial Breakdown; Leinster 13, Munster 9, Ulster 5, Overseas 3

And the county breakdown. There are 12 counties and 2 overseas countries represented in the squad. For players born oversea but who grew up in Ireland, I put them down in the county they grew up and regard themselves as being from.

Limerick (8); Cronin, Flannery, Poc, Ryan, D. Wallace, Reddan, Murray, Earls
Cork (4); Buckley, Ross, Doc, Rog
Dublin (3); Bod, Healy, Sexton
Kildare (3); Heaslip, G. Murphy, McFadden
Antrim (2); Ferris, Wallace
Carlow (1); O'Brien
Armagh (1); Best
Wicklow (1); Cullen
Tipperary (1); Leamy
Wexford (1); D'arcy
Louth (1); Kearney
Monaghan (1); Bowe
Derry/Londonderry/Whatever you want yourself (1); Trimble
Brisbane (1); Court
Tokoroa (1); Boss

That breaks down as;
Munster 13
Leinster 10
Ulster 5
Abroad/Poaches 2

Just shows you the Leinster squad is an all Leinster squad. Plus 6 of the players come from Kildare schools, Clongowes and Newbridge with three each. Not including Reddan who did a year in Clongowes.

Love how many people are saying these are the right calls.

They are neither right nor wrong.

[quote="valjester"]

red_stag wrote:

valjester wrote:

Feagh McHugh wrote:Limerick is probably the only county in rural Ireland where rugby is the number one sport over gaa.

Limerick City?? Rural Ireland?

Rural Ireland as outside of Dublin, sorry.

f€ckin arrogant dubs...

Ah I know I'm just ribbing Val. Just think its funny the idea that once you leave Dublin its all thatched cottages and fields.

Sorry Jennifer but 'Paddy Fecken Wallace' has outperformed Fitzgerald in these warm matches , is a better 12, and is a better 10 .

So he goes, Fitzgerald doesn't - simple

Murphy played well in Connacht according to reports.

Kidney has got this squad 100% right imv

MBTGOG wrote:Love how many people are saying these are the right calls.

They are neither right nor wrong.

Bit preachy that.

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:On Balance I am happy with that.

I am thrilled at Boss Murray and Redan. They were the ones I had picked all along.

I can live with Leamy over Jennings. Jeno did himself no favours on Saturday.

D Ryan over McCarthy and McLaughlin was always my call too.

Murphy looked way off the pace v Connacht but he is a better FB than Fitz.

McFadden is better in the centre than Fitz. (And handy on the wing too)

Earls or Fitz was the call for me, and I think Earlsie has been better over the last while despite having a howler on Saturday.

He will be on the bench with Trimble and Bowe on the wings I'd say

The one that sticks in my throat is Paddy Fecken Wallace. Fitz has more talent in his bootlace on an off day.

However I will accept that as part of the overall, seeing as Dekko has made the right calls everywhere else.

It was never a question of earls or fitz to be fair, fitz was always in a battle with mcfadden and I think he is very unlucky to miss out. Earls was never going to miss out, tol was the only person who could play himself off the plane, earls had a lot of credit in the bank. You're being unbelievably harsh on paddy wallace but that has come to be expected.

D24tress wrote:my team for england would now be

court
flannery
ross

DOC
POC

Ferris
wallace
Heislip

Boss
ROG

bowe
darcy
BOD
mcfadden
Murphy

To be honest I'd like to see that team out there.
I guess subs are the question then. Trimble has played his "two and a half to three games" each player was promised so I'd say he'll be rested.

Back-heavy I know, but I'd go with this:

Paddy Wallace
Jonny Sexton
Connor Murray
Rob Kearney
Rory Best
Tony Buckley
Leo Cullen/Donnacha Ryan

red_stag wrote:Ah I know I'm just ribbing Val. Just think its funny the idea that once you leave Dublin its all thatched cottages and fields.

Stag,be nice to the people of Laois.

red_stag wrote:Ah I know I'm just ribbing Val. Just think its funny the idea that once you leave Dublin its all thatched cottages and fields.

Yeah probably not the best use of language on my part. Compared to how built up dublin is it nearly is like that once you leave

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:On Balance I am happy with that.

I am thrilled at Boss Murray and Redan. They were the ones I had picked all along.

I can live with Leamy over Jennings. Jeno did himself no favours on Saturday.

D Ryan over McCarthy and McLaughlin was always my call too.

Murphy looked way off the pace v Connacht but he is a better FB than Fitz.

McFadden is better in the centre than Fitz. (And handy on the wing too)

Earls or Fitz was the call for me, and I think Earlsie has been better over the last while despite having a howler on Saturday.

He will be on the bench with Trimble and Bowe on the wings I'd say

The one that sticks in my throat is Paddy Fecken Wallace. Fitz has more talent in his bootlace on an off day.

However I will accept that as part of the overall, seeing as Dekko has made the right calls everywhere else.

Can Fitz play 10 or 12...... ?

No to the first and he hasnt played 12 for an age. Earls was always going. It was McFadden v Fitz. No point in having all the talent in the world if you dont show it.

valjester wrote:

Notch wrote:Actually Val, Paddy Wallace is from the East side of the City- actually Dundonald which has sort of been absorbed into East Belfast. Which is in County Down. Belfast is a funny town, because it is the County town of Antrim; but the border between Antrim and Down is the river which runs through the city. So a large part of the city is in County Down. Nobody quite knows how much...

Limerick (8); Cronin, Flannery, Poc, Ryan, D. Wallace, Reddan, Murray, Earls
Cork (4); Buckley, Ross, Doc, Rog
Dublin (3); Bod, Healy, Sexton
Kildare (3); Heaslip, G. Murphy, McFadden
Antrim (1); Ferris
Down (1); P. Wallace
Carlow (1); O'Brien
Armagh (1); Best
Wicklow (1); Cullen
Tipperary (1); Leamy
Wexford (1); D'arcy
Louth (1); Kearney
Monaghan (1); Bowe
Derry/Londonderry (1); Trimble
Brisbane (1); Court
Tokoroa (1); Boss

Cheers notch I wasn't sure where abouts in the city he was from so just went for antrim will fix it now. And yes belfast is awful confusing at times, you'd think you'd get used to after a while but........

Belfast is confusing? Try driving around Dublin!

Jenifer, I think I'm just coming to accept people will never be happy with P. Wallace even if he plays well, they'll still say the same things because their mind is made-up. I hope he proves you wrong. I'm not so hopeful that you'd see it that way if he did! I think he's one of the guys who has made sure of his place in the last two warm-up games with assured performances against France and Connacht.

Can I just say would you not just get behind the team instead of having a go at a guy who is always working so hard in an Ireland jersey and deserves his spot, even if you don't agree? This is the squad; the players who are selected are going. Might as well support them. All of them. I know I will be

Thomond wrote:

red_stag wrote:Ah I know I'm just ribbing Val. Just think its funny the idea that once you leave Dublin its all thatched cottages and fields.

Stag,be nice to the people of Laois.

I'm not sure if you're slagging of laois for having thatched cottages or saying that I'm from there?

MBTGOG wrote:Love how many people are saying these are the right calls.

They are neither right nor wrong.

I agree with you MBTGOG. I would say that Kidney has gone more on form than reputation with the exclusion of O'Leary and Fitzgerald. TOL not being in the 3 scrum halfs is a big call I didn't think I would see happen. I assume Murray must start against England to give him good experience at this level. I thought Fitzgerald had played ok in the last few games but not as good the other wing options.

MBTGOG wrote:Love how many people are saying these are the right calls.

They are neither right nor wrong.

Of course there is a right and a wrong - albeit heavily overlayed with opinion and judgement calls.

If you and I had been selected I submit that would be a wrong call by any rational measure.
If Darren Cave had gone instead or BOD or McLaughlin instead of SOB I submit that you would hard pressed to find anyone, who understands rugby, who would not say that was the wrong call.

OK you could say, instead, that you agree or disagree with the selection but in this context that is little more than semantics

Sean, I think If Leamy outperformed, McCaw, Elsom (his 2009 form) and Reid/Heaslip you'd have said he was average.

He was good in Bordeaux. Not amazing but solid. He covers 6 and 8 and 7 at a stretch. jennings is a 7, nothing more. So if Heaslip gets injured, you play Wallace at 8 (or SOB) Leavig you with a bench that only has a 6 on it, assuming that the hole at 7 is filled by Jennings, the 7.

The Backrow & Sub in the big games is as follwos, Ferris, Wallce Heaslip with SOB in reserve. Leamy will only be used in an emergency and as I said covers two adequately and one nominally. Jennings just doesnt have that versatility and jockying the others to accomodate him unsettles things altogether.

That is the reasoning behind the selection, that and the fact that Jennings was only average on Saturday too. I was at the game and watched his 50+ mins for this purpose.

Now I posted a squad a few days back with Jennings in it, and If i were doing it I might have selected him anyway, but this is not a controvertial decison, certainly not along the lines of even the Buckley/Hayes or Horan debate. Which again falls in favour of the 'utility' player. Because we all know as bad at loosehead as Mush is, Hayes is worse and Horan couldn't lock at TH for toffee. Its just a crying shame that TB is having his 'cannot play TH' either section of the season.

There we are though!

Bring. It On.

I'm slagging off Laois.

leinsterbaby wrote:

valjester wrote:I just added this to the op, might be of interest to some.

Provincial Breakdown; Leinster 13, Munster 9, Ulster 5, Overseas 3

And the county breakdown. There are 12 counties and 2 overseas countries represented in the squad. For players born oversea but who grew up in Ireland, I put them down in the county they grew up and regard themselves as being from.

Limerick (8); Cronin, Flannery, Poc, Ryan, D. Wallace, Reddan, Murray, Earls
Cork (4); Buckley, Ross, Doc, Rog
Dublin (3); Bod, Healy, Sexton
Kildare (3); Heaslip, G. Murphy, McFadden
Antrim (2); Ferris, Wallace
Carlow (1); O'Brien
Armagh (1); Best
Wicklow (1); Cullen
Tipperary (1); Leamy
Wexford (1); D'arcy
Louth (1); Kearney
Monaghan (1); Bowe
Derry/Londonderry/Whatever you want yourself (1); Trimble
Brisbane (1); Court
Tokoroa (1); Boss

That breaks down as;
Munster 13
Leinster 10
Ulster 5
Abroad/Poaches 2

Just shows you the Leinster squad is an all Leinster squad. Plus 6 of the players come from Kildare schools, Clongowes and Newbridge with three each. Not including Reddan who did a year in Clongowes.

Donncha Ryan is from Nenagh, so that two from Tipp (probably just born in Limerick - its only 20 miles down the road).

Thats amazing that so many of the squad come from Limerick City which has a population of about 60K.

geoff998rugby wrote:

MBTGOG wrote:Love how many people are saying these are the right calls.

They are neither right nor wrong.

Of course there is a right and a wrong - albeit heavily overlayed with opinion and judgement calls.

If you and I had been selected I submit that would be a wrong call by any rational measure.
If Darren Cave had gone instead or BOD or McLaughlin instead of SOB I submit that you would hard pressed to find anyone, who understands rugby, who would not say that was the wrong call.

OK you could say, instead, that you agree or disagree with the selection but in this context that is little more than semantics

No there isn't because until we see how it all pans out, you have no idea if it works or not. Right and wrong can only be surmised in hindsight.

Notch wrote:

valjester wrote:

Notch wrote:Actually Val, Paddy Wallace is from the East side of the City- actually Dundonald which has sort of been absorbed into East Belfast. Which is in County Down. Belfast is a funny town, because it is the County town of Antrim; but the border between Antrim and Down is the river which runs through the city. So a large part of the city is in County Down. Nobody quite knows how much...

Limerick (8); Cronin, Flannery, Poc, Ryan, D. Wallace, Reddan, Murray, Earls
Cork (4); Buckley, Ross, Doc, Rog
Dublin (3); Bod, Healy, Sexton
Kildare (3); Heaslip, G. Murphy, McFadden
Antrim (1); Ferris
Down (1); P. Wallace
Carlow (1); O'Brien
Armagh (1); Best
Wicklow (1); Cullen
Tipperary (1); Leamy
Wexford (1); D'arcy
Louth (1); Kearney
Monaghan (1); Bowe
Derry/Londonderry (1); Trimble
Brisbane (1); Court
Tokoroa (1); Boss

Cheers notch I wasn't sure where abouts in the city he was from so just went for antrim will fix it now. And yes belfast is awful confusing at times, you'd think you'd get used to after a while but........

Belfast is confusing? Try driving around Dublin!

Jenifer, I think I'm just coming to accept people will never be happy with P. Wallace even if he plays well, they'll still say the same things because their mind is made-up. I hope he proves you wrong. I'm not so hopeful that you'd see it that way if he did! I think he's one of the guys who has made sure of his place in the last two warm-up games with assured performances against France and Connacht.

Can I just say would you not just get behind the team instead of having a go at a guy who is always working so hard in an Ireland jersey and deserves his spot, even if you don't agree? This is the squad; the players who are selected are going. Might as well support them. All of them. I know I will be

I find dublin easier, but at least I speak the same language in both so if I get lost I can ask, some of the cities I've lived in are much harder to find my way around and then the language barrier becomes a huge problem.

On Paddy there is no point arguing any more, its become ingrained in the minds of fans and the media that he is a poor player and he played poorly no matter what happens in the actual match.

Sin,they can't play anything else!

Sin é wrote:

leinsterbaby wrote:

valjester wrote:I just added this to the op, might be of interest to some.

Provincial Breakdown; Leinster 13, Munster 9, Ulster 5, Overseas 3

And the county breakdown. There are 12 counties and 2 overseas countries represented in the squad. For players born oversea but who grew up in Ireland, I put them down in the county they grew up and regard themselves as being from.

Limerick (8); Cronin, Flannery, Poc, Ryan, D. Wallace, Reddan, Murray, Earls
Cork (4); Buckley, Ross, Doc, Rog
Dublin (3); Bod, Healy, Sexton
Kildare (3); Heaslip, G. Murphy, McFadden
Antrim (2); Ferris, Wallace
Carlow (1); O'Brien
Armagh (1); Best
Wicklow (1); Cullen
Tipperary (1); Leamy
Wexford (1); D'arcy
Louth (1); Kearney
Monaghan (1); Bowe
Derry/Londonderry/Whatever you want yourself (1); Trimble
Brisbane (1); Court
Tokoroa (1); Boss

That breaks down as;
Munster 13
Leinster 10
Ulster 5
Abroad/Poaches 2

Just shows you the Leinster squad is an all Leinster squad. Plus 6 of the players come from Kildare schools, Clongowes and Newbridge with three each. Not including Reddan who did a year in Clongowes.

Donncha Ryan is from Nenagh, so that two from Tipp (probably just born in Limerick - its only 20 miles down the road).

Thats amazing that so many of the squad come from Limerick City which has a population of about 60K.

Yeah I thought he was from tipp, but he was born in limerick and educated there, I'll consider changing it.

geoff998rugby wrote:Sorry Jennifer but 'Paddy Fecken Wallace' has outperformed Fitzgerald in these warm matches , is a better 12, and is a better 10 .

So he goes, Fitzgerald doesn't - simple

Murphy played well in Connacht according to reports.

Kidney has got this squad 100% right imv

I know how the logic of it goes. And I have resigned myself to it as the only call I am really unhappy with.

I also know that it was not a choice between Paddy and Fitz.

Perhaps I am harsh on Paddy, but I have never seen him as anything but a good club player. Not a bad player, just nothing special. It kills me that a former 1st choice Lion. (admittedly one with no form) is not going and he is.

If we had an alternative to Buckley (Even a hooker who could play prop) I would be the same about him.

I was at the Connacht match. While you could see that Geordie still had it all upstairs, but the aul legs were just not what they were. I even thought he had a slight limp while walking. Hopefully it clears up with games.

Don’t know why but I thought McFadden was from Westmeath!

Would explain his pace!

Ugo Monye is a former first choice lion as well Jennifer. I cant see him making the england team. What happened 2 years ago is irrelevant

Too right, if you lived in Mullingar/Kinnegad/Athlone you'd have to learn to be quick. And probably how to be a decent bareknuckle boxer too.

Debater, I'm not saying that Jennings should be going, just that Leamy doesn't deserve to go imho. I dont know who should go ahead of him.

Standulstermen wrote:Ugo Monye is a former first choice lion as well Jennifer. I cant see him making the england team. What happened 2 years ago is irrelevant

Not totally irrelevant but his form in the past year has wiped out that.

Same with Fitz. two years is a long time and others have come through. In another 2 years i wonder how chamged the ireland team will be

Kado,if you come from Knocknaheeny your pace will gradually improve. Running from the shades will do that.

Shame to see all the Paddy bashers out in force again, a post earlier saying he should be reserve as well.

What a lot of Leinster fans cant seem to contemplate is that it was always going to be one of McFadden and Fitzgerald and not both.

If anyone should of been left out for Fitzgerald it would of been McFadden not Wallace anyway.

valjester wrote:

Sin é wrote:

leinsterbaby wrote:

valjester wrote:I just added this to the op, might be of interest to some.

Provincial Breakdown; Leinster 13, Munster 9, Ulster 5, Overseas 3

And the county breakdown. There are 12 counties and 2 overseas countries represented in the squad. For players born oversea but who grew up in Ireland, I put them down in the county they grew up and regard themselves as being from.

Limerick (8); Cronin, Flannery, Poc, Ryan, D. Wallace, Reddan, Murray, Earls
Cork (4); Buckley, Ross, Doc, Rog
Dublin (3); Bod, Healy, Sexton
Kildare (3); Heaslip, G. Murphy, McFadden
Antrim (2); Ferris, Wallace
Carlow (1); O'Brien
Armagh (1); Best
Wicklow (1); Cullen
Tipperary (1); Leamy
Wexford (1); D'arcy
Louth (1); Kearney
Monaghan (1); Bowe
Derry/Londonderry/Whatever you want yourself (1); Trimble
Brisbane (1); Court
Tokoroa (1); Boss

That breaks down as;
Munster 13
Leinster 10
Ulster 5
Abroad/Poaches 2

Just shows you the Leinster squad is an all Leinster squad. Plus 6 of the players come from Kildare schools, Clongowes and Newbridge with three each. Not including Reddan who did a year in Clongowes.

Donncha Ryan is from Nenagh, so that two from Tipp (probably just born in Limerick - its only 20 miles down the road).

Thats amazing that so many of the squad come from Limerick City which has a population of about 60K.

Yeah I thought he was from tipp, but he was born in limerick and educated there, I'll consider changing it.

As far as I know, he only went to school in Limerick when he showed promise at rugby (last 2 years). He started playing rugby with a club, not a school.

Similar situation with Leamy - went to Rockwell to improve his rugby prospects as local school didn't play it. He started in a club as well. I know of someone (about 16) from Waterford at the moment who is hoping to go to Clongowes or Blackrock, purely to improve his chances of making rugby a career.

Standulstermen wrote:Ugo Monye is a former first choice lion as well Jennifer. I cant see him making the england team. What happened 2 years ago is irrelevant

It's OK I've had me rant.

I will get behind him now and defend him, (as I had to in West Cork while watching the France away game) Some people think he is a lot worse than I do.

I have no problem with the effort he puts in either Notch. He probably got it in the neck because there no other calls that I really had a problem with.

Tol and Fitz were the real shockers. Good to give everyone else a root up the hole too. Not like Eddie 4 years ago.

Feagh McHugh wrote:That is very interesting Val- never realised so many hailed form Limerick!

Ps Word is Sob is injured and unavailable this weekend.

there are only 7 from limerick, ryan is from tipp.

I'd say forget about who's from where. They are all Irish.

Sin é wrote:
As far as I know, he only went to school in Limerick when he showed promise at rugby (last 2 years). He started playing rugby with a club, not a school.

Similar situation with Leamy - went to Rockwell to improve his rugby prospects as local school didn't play it. He started in a club as well. I know of someone (about 16) from Waterford at the moment who is hoping to go to Clongowes or Blackrock, purely to improve his chances of making rugby a career.

Yep its the same with all of the clare lads, they all head to the limerick schools for the rugby.
I will change it cos I thought he was from tipp but I let wiki lead me astray.

Edit; now amended.

Good squad generally based on form rather than reputation.

If Jones hadn't been injured would Kidney have picked Murray as well and had two bolters?

It's ironic that Murphy gets to go this time because of a leg injury to an exciting young fullback in the game before squad selection.

Fitzgerald was given more than enough chances to prove his versatility at FB in the 6N and didn't take them, so he was only competing for the left wing jersey. Therefore it's not surprising that Murphy and McFadden have overtaken him as they both offer more specialist cover and utility.

Sin é wrote:

leinsterbaby wrote:

valjester wrote:I just added this to the op, might be of interest to some.

Provincial Breakdown; Leinster 13, Munster 9, Ulster 5, Overseas 3

And the county breakdown. There are 12 counties and 2 overseas countries represented in the squad. For players born oversea but who grew up in Ireland, I put them down in the county they grew up and regard themselves as being from.

Limerick (8); Cronin, Flannery, Poc, Ryan, D. Wallace, Reddan, Murray, Earls
Cork (4); Buckley, Ross, Doc, Rog
Dublin (3); Bod, Healy, Sexton
Kildare (3); Heaslip, G. Murphy, McFadden
Antrim (2); Ferris, Wallace
Carlow (1); O'Brien
Armagh (1); Best
Wicklow (1); Cullen
Tipperary (1); Leamy
Wexford (1); D'arcy
Louth (1); Kearney
Monaghan (1); Bowe
Derry/Londonderry/Whatever you want yourself (1); Trimble
Brisbane (1); Court
Tokoroa (1); Boss

That breaks down as;
Munster 13
Leinster 10
Ulster 5
Abroad/Poaches 2

Just shows you the Leinster squad is an all Leinster squad. Plus 6 of the players come from Kildare schools, Clongowes and Newbridge with three each. Not including Reddan who did a year in Clongowes.

Donncha Ryan is from Nenagh, so that two from Tipp (probably just born in Limerick - its only 20 miles down the road).

Thats amazing that so many of the squad come from Limerick City which has a population of about 60K.

murray is from patrickswell, so he isnt fro the city., delighted for him by the way. hope he starts on comes on v england.
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munster-abu wrote:

Sin é wrote:

leinsterbaby wrote:

valjester wrote:I just added this to the op, might be of interest to some.

Provincial Breakdown; Leinster 13, Munster 9, Ulster 5, Overseas 3

And the county breakdown. There are 12 counties and 2 overseas countries represented in the squad. For players born oversea but who grew up in Ireland, I put them down in the county they grew up and regard themselves as being from.

Limerick (8); Cronin, Flannery, Poc, Ryan, D. Wallace, Reddan, Murray, Earls
Cork (4); Buckley, Ross, Doc, Rog
Dublin (3); Bod, Healy, Sexton
Kildare (3); Heaslip, G. Murphy, McFadden
Antrim (2); Ferris, Wallace
Carlow (1); O'Brien
Armagh (1); Best
Wicklow (1); Cullen
Tipperary (1); Leamy
Wexford (1); D'arcy
Louth (1); Kearney
Monaghan (1); Bowe
Derry/Londonderry/Whatever you want yourself (1); Trimble
Brisbane (1); Court
Tokoroa (1); Boss

That breaks down as;
Munster 13
Leinster 10
Ulster 5
Abroad/Poaches 2

Just shows you the Leinster squad is an all Leinster squad. Plus 6 of the players come from Kildare schools, Clongowes and Newbridge with three each. Not including Reddan who did a year in Clongowes.

Donncha Ryan is from Nenagh, so that two from Tipp (probably just born in Limerick - its only 20 miles down the road).

Thats amazing that so many of the squad come from Limerick City which has a population of about 60K.

murray is from patrickswell, so he isnt fro the city., delighted for him by the way. hope he starts on comes on v england.
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Limerick City school and club.

Amended the opening post to add caps, for Ireland so excluding lions caps, and it is striking that the props are relatively inexperienced with buckley leading on 23caps.

Rory Best will earn his 50th cap on his next appearance.

Murray is as close to a bolter as you're likely to get with just one cap with mcfadden also very inexperienced with only 4 caps.

I am a Leinster fan and thoroughly agree with Fitz not going.
He was given a lot of chances and failed to take them.

I rate Wallace quite highly also, I think he should be starting 12 as I feel Darcy adds nothing now that he doesn't make ground in contact anymore.

Delighted for Murray.
Think this is a very good squad and am so glad Kidney was brave enough to not bring 2 old Lions who are no longer performing well.

Also would like to say that am delighted for Boss, has played well in the last couple of months and his means so much to him.

In contrast, I know how much this meant to fitz and from the kind of player he appears to be this will have a huge effect on him. Make or break time over the next 12 months IMO.

On the plus side he will be playing against lower quality opposition with Leinster for a while and that may build his confidence again.

MBTGOG wrote:

munster-abu wrote:

Sin é wrote:

leinsterbaby wrote:

valjester wrote:I just added this to the op, might be of interest to some.

Provincial Breakdown; Leinster 13, Munster 9, Ulster 5, Overseas 3

And the county breakdown. There are 12 counties and 2 overseas countries represented in the squad. For players born oversea but who grew up in Ireland, I put them down in the county they grew up and regard themselves as being from.

Limerick (8); Cronin, Flannery, Poc, Ryan, D. Wallace, Reddan, Murray, Earls
Cork (4); Buckley, Ross, Doc, Rog
Dublin (3); Bod, Healy, Sexton
Kildare (3); Heaslip, G. Murphy, McFadden
Antrim (2); Ferris, Wallace
Carlow (1); O'Brien
Armagh (1); Best
Wicklow (1); Cullen
Tipperary (1); Leamy
Wexford (1); D'arcy
Louth (1); Kearney
Monaghan (1); Bowe
Derry/Londonderry/Whatever you want yourself (1); Trimble
Brisbane (1); Court
Tokoroa (1); Boss

That breaks down as;
Munster 13
Leinster 10
Ulster 5
Abroad/Poaches 2

Just shows you the Leinster squad is an all Leinster squad. Plus 6 of the players come from Kildare schools, Clongowes and Newbridge with three each. Not including Reddan who did a year in Clongowes.

Donncha Ryan is from Nenagh, so that two from Tipp (probably just born in Limerick - its only 20 miles down the road).

Thats amazing that so many of the squad come from Limerick City which has a population of about 60K.

murray is from patrickswell, so he isnt fro the city., delighted for him by the way. hope he starts on comes on v england.
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Limerick City school and club.

only one southside dub in the side

We haven't a hope

I'd say Best will get the half-century off the bench versus England.

Notch wrote:I'd say Best will get the half-century off the bench versus England.

Best has done enough i'd say give cronin the bench spot and let best rest up a bit

I agree with D24. I think give Best and Trimble a rest.