The All Blacks Lost the TrinationsToday.

WHY?

I thought they NZ was supposed to be the best team on the planet right now.

Did NZ go into the game thinking it was a fore gone conclusion that Australia would not put up much resistance?..And there for become complacent that the Trinations trophy was thern by right, having won it every year for the last 9/10 years.

Will the win for Australia make them harder to beet in the RWC?

Will this loss today for NZ make them more vunerable to other teams beating them RWC.

Has this loss today shown that NZ are beatable if you dont give them time on the ball?

majesticimperialman wrote:

Will the win for Australia make them harder to beet in the RWC?

Will this loss today for NZ make them more vunerable to other teams beating them RWC.

Has this loss today shown that NZ are beatable if you dont give them time on the ball?

Yes. No. Yes.

Next please.

The fact that New zealand lost today doesn't mean they are easier to beat. Noy by a long shot.

Every team in the Tri Nations lose, after all it is the three top teams playing each other. Australia played well today and fronted up in the forwards and defended very agressively, but they still didn't manage to do it for 80 minutes.

In the second half the All Blacks changed their tactics and picked and drove, gaining many meters in territory, showed patience in holding possession for long periods, their one try game after more than 26 phases.

The fact that NZ lost today will only focus them more, and yes australia will go into this world cup with more belief.

Missed the game ,just watched the highlights,solid game BOTH sides.
Mc Caw seemed to be every where[at least in the highlights].
BOTH sides got away with murder at the breakdown,offside,sealing off,diving over,on one occassion Wallabies formed a flying wedge.
Ran past the breakdown just fell on half the All Black pack.pinning them down.Loss of Read and Thomson sounds bad fortnight before kick off.
Nonu was pinged for taking a man out off the ball,Conrad Smith ditto by OZ
zilch.
No complaints about Ref one of those matches when BOTH sides get away with murder.
First half All Blacks caught cold not unusual,most times OZ were leading at half time. The travelling catching up with them,depending who first matches are against about a month to get Read fit and maybe a specialist 7.
Marty Holah is back in country,and in good form could do worse.
A couple of weeks rest the All Blacks will be raring to go,just a minor hiccup
before RWC.
Home wins are the norm in 3Ns so not a surprise to me,well done OZ good win.
BUT it means nothing in a RWC ,just makes the losers more determined,.

Yes Barnes does tend to let things go on at breakdown time. In this sort of match where all we seem to have was breakdowns, Im ok with it as the ball seemed to stay in there for ages at a time.

Youre right Alan, means nothing in a world cup in fact I think it helps us in a way no win could.... We can get better, and have to, and I love that challenge. Its boring when it appears theres nothing to learn sometimes.

In fact if we are to take history into account more things appear in our favour knock out time... Its at Eden Park...check. We didnt win the 3N...check... if we meet either Oz or SA knockout..we didnt beat them last meeting...check.

Our motivational factors where required for both sides are now in place...check!

This loss it the worst thing that could have happened . Now the AB will go into the world cup with their heads down and with people having doubting whether they can really win at home. Which will suit the Blacks ofcourse because now there's less pressure as compared to other WC's were they've whipped everyone prior to the games beginning and they're clear favourites


I see the Webb Ellis staying in Eden Park on the 23rd instead of going back to the Republik

Yes thats my thinking. Motivations a funny thing. Being told you're not good enough is more helpful to ones performance than being told you're too good, which is all we are used to hearing a lot of the time.

This way we have to 'prove' we are good enough. Love it...

Another poor Madge wum. Best thing is not to give the guy the time of day. Madge, have you ever been to a stadium? Armchair fan. Never seen somebody BEET another team live. Poor Madge.

The Phoney War is over,the real Battles lie ahead,all the squads are picked
the die is cast.ALL the coaches will be analysing there games taking look at
wins or defeats.Then for the fine tuning,for teams like most of the minnows
or Tier2.
Warm up games by them has been a mixed bag,but a warning to Tier one
sides not to take them lightly.
Wales,2 wins and loss seem to have found a Scrum with the Hair Bear
Scotland,2 solid wins building nicely but no great expectations.
France 2 good wins,looking good but who ever knows with them
Ireland 3 straight losses will be a disappointment for fans
England 2 wins and a loss,an injury worry,not sure of style to play
South Africa ,beginning to look like contenders again,the right side
and couple more games under there belts in pool games they wil
be there or there abouts.
Australia,have been building nicely since middle of 2010 with injured players coming back,Peaking at the right time Super15,3Ns champs
closing the IRB table rapidly.A lot of bookies will be changing there odds.
Finally the All Blacks,i`ve given a lot of thought over what I am about to
say after reading comments by coaches,watching match,etc.
Firstly as to yesterday,the Home side won a 3Ns norm,two weeks rest,,versus a team having travelled around the world all things I
pointed out pre-Match.
In the conditions in the first half Australia adapted better,caught NZ cold as they often do. Injuries to key players didn`t help they adapted well and
came back.
As to the RWC,and other things appertaining to it[I hope I will still have some NZ friends aftersaying this]
I have the greatest respect for both Deans and co.,and Henry and co. as coaches.
From my perpective Graham Henry has produced an 86% win record which is great by me.But like others before him he took a calculated risk with the 3Ns and it backfired.THAT for me[PERSONALLY]I don`t like I think you
play one Competion at a time.THAT is strictly my own ethos and NO reflection of the Nz Coaches.
I fully understand it is part of greater stragey to try and win a RWC in THAT
I applaud his ideal[without agreeing the method]AGAIN my personal opinion.
As an All Black supporter I have some concerns,firstly that the caches are publicly saying there not sure if they got there squad right a fortnight before
kick off.
To be fair it is probably media speak,as was the after match comments by him about players performing etc.
Coaches are only as good as the team picked and vice versa . Injuries to
Read and Thomson sounded bad but I may reading to much into the media
last night.
What is a major concern,for me at least is the Sonny Boy Williams saga,it may not be him.But his travelling circus his boxing mate and Agent.
NO one person his greater than the team,rumours about being frozen out
because of his delay over contract.
IF he is a disruptive influence then dump him,even if it means going with 29 men.
Yesterday means nothing as to RWC if anything as 2009 proved ,a couple of losses concentrates the mind beautifully.
By the end of the year we will the gamble to win the RWC has payed off.
if it has FINE,that means nothing to me.
If not and the All Blacks are no longer IRB number I , will just grin and bare
it as I have many times in the past take the jibe.
Then comfort myself theres another S15,and 4Ns in 2012 and a new all Blacks side rising like a phoenix from the ashes Again.
Until they are once more IRB number 1 side again,and THAT is as sure as night follows day.

Agree with a lot of that except ABs - they put their No 1 side on the park last night and were beaten. That is a real worry for them - W will be making at least 4 more changes to last night's side. Travel issues irrelevant - they made 12 changes to the side that played in SA. No 1 one team blown way really.

Thats true rob. The good thing is that it is a worry. We have now lost to both SA and oz in consecutive matches.
Our wcup focus had suddenly become a little more desperate.
Rather than having the expectation to win we now need to prove ourselves.
Much prefer a campaign based on the latter bit jeez that match was great. Samos try was fantastic.

No one was blown away anywhere. When did that happen? Last nights game was still undecided until the final whistle. You could say that unlike Eden Park where Oz couldnt recover from an initial 20 minute blitz the ABs could. Quite easily.
Its generally been swings and roundabouts and I think the teams are fairly even. The scope for improvement however, is probably more with the AB's after last night.
Its all much of a muchness. Both teams will go into the tournament feeling ok, It would be silly for Oz to adopt the pre Eden park confidence as it was clearly misplaced.
This week they were a little more subtle and kept it for the match. That made a difference. They got the element of surprise big time so hopefully theyve learned what works.
All in all, the 3N- even SA will get better, are looking good, and I dont think the 6N teams will be as ready for this in terms of the intensity required here.

I meant the first half which is where they were blown away IMO- which was the clincher. Second half obviously they came back. Doubt OZ will get ahead of themselves too much - they know what happens if they do. Horwilll won't let them. He is a very level headed leader.Think W will get better - they will have too to take them in NZ. Remember they did this without O'Connor who offers so much in attack and I am excited with Sliiper at tight head, TPN as a human wrecking ball and Palu all trying to fight their way in. Ironically enough I think the forward pack will be a feature of this side at the RWC. I think it was about attitude. AB wanted the Eden Park win more and last night I think W wanted it more.

The following observations,the build up to this match is contrasted by the
Wallabies and the All Blacks.Since the start of the 3Ns this season,Deans
has played more or less his best available team.They`ve had a fortnights
break and have involved in heavy training for this match,
They have at last some depth,with players trying to break in O`Connor was missing .BUT they had all week to cover it,not like an overnight decision.
They wanted it more,came out firing and caught the All Blacks cold,for them little thing swent wrong.clearing kicks charged down stuff like that.
Offside and the Break down ,was`nt policed at all BOTH sides got away with murder there.Fair enough all you can ask of the Ref he is consistent to both sides.
The All Blacks for various reasons has been one of tinkering with the side to get things right.The A team as you call them All Blacks since you are talking a TEAM.Which these days is 22,Ben Franks,Kaino,SBW,Dagg,Cowan all missing,Read and Thomson injured.
All those players may have made a difference but of course they were`nt there for most of the match.
The last time they played a serious match together was at Eden Park.as Alan Hansen,said who remembers a 3Ns match only the RWC is remembered.
THE Wallabies wanted it more,and overall deserved the win BUT don`t be complacent.
On another day things may well be different in most of the last 13 matches between the two .OZ have started like trains,been up at half time then been hauled back.
In truth all 3 SH sides when all full strength and match fit,there is very little between them.That is how it should be going into the RWC.