The golfers' Music Room

First topic message reminder :

Mac started a really good thread today and while I'm not as fussy about things going off topic as some people, it does seem a shame to drown out Mac's thread with music chat - so I think we'll have a music corner for us golfers (in addition to the forum-wide music section)

I know Kwini is keen on his music, often throwing musical references into his ballwasher topics (I remember one of his last efforts on the old site being entitled The Boys Are Back In Town, and the conversation going off into Thin Lizzy territory!

S_R (on the other thread) made a reference to "hating the Beatles" - discuss!

Super, most of my mates are happy to admit that they will watch a bit of X Factor or the Voice as harmless fun. I suspect that most of your friends feel the same but dont mention it to you for fear of the droning diatribe they will receive about "real" music.

Xfactor really is nothing to do with music and all to do with the 'entertainment' element of the programme.

I don't know a single person who likes the music despite watching the show.

What they dont like soul, or disco, or motown or swing . Pretty much every genre of music gets covered including a host of all time classics. Of course you "allegedly" dont watch it so you wouldnt know that would you ?

Of course I don't watch it, but you pick up things in the media.
I'm not sure how many series there have been (far too many) but there hasn't been a single unique or long lived talent who stands out. Even the most successful of them, the dreary Leona Lewis is just another off the beyonce/Whitney Houston wannabee conveyor belt. Nothing special at all about her voice. There's a million of her in the business.

Everything is derivative, drab, safe and uninspiring, which I suppose is what most people like. So while it serves a purpose, its a scourge of actual talent with most in it hungry for fame and fortune rather than actual for the love of music.


That sort of programme is on the way out thank heavens.

No, where hasnt been a single long lived talent whos music you would deign to accept...which is completely different. Its a worldwide franchise, there have been stacks of people who have had long careers from the shows. You just dismiss them all because you dont happen to like the music.
Name me a unique talent from the bands/singers coming through in the past 5 years that you like. I doubt that any of them will be remotely unique.

OK Diggers, Name one person who is A) Long Lived or likely to be long lived, B) Unique (and not just Britains answer to xxxxxxx) and C) Is bought by people other than pant wetting teenagers, or middle-aged mums and dads?
Crap like Girls Aloud and One Direction are an utter cancer.

I admit I loathe the type of programme because of it's cynical use of peoples fame hungriness and "dreams" (that conveniently have only existed since the advent of this programme) and the sly cloak of using "music" as a ruse to line Cowells pockets.

I'd agree about the last 5 years though Diggers, it's been a pretty wretched period for music, both credible and manufactured forms. In fact I don't think I can think of any.

Have to say most of my record collection is pre 1980 or bands that formed in that period. The newest thing I have is the fleet foxes first album.

Not sure I want to count this as a guilty pleasure - cos they is so talented - but I love glee. The most played cd in my car over the last few months.

Cant deny that Mika is music comedy genius. Period.


Cant comment on x factor as I have never watched it and don’t tend to listen to radio one so wouldn’t know what most of the winners sound like. Although girls aloud seems like “quality” pop if you were into that sort of thing

Glee?
I think even Diggers would turn his nose up at the drivel.

Super, I think you are forgetting that music is a. subjective and b. for the consumption of everyone.
You cant just write of huge swathes of people who like particular types of music because you dont.
Like smelly acne and angst ridden young lads and students are meant to be a better judge of music ? Do me a favour.
How many Beatles recors do you think would have been sold if it wasnt for teenage girls and middle aged mums ? A lot less is the simple answer.
I dont watch Glee but my wife does as do stacks of her mates and Ive caught some of the numbers which are great, its good entertainment and the singers are clearly very good as are a lot of the arrangements.

The thing about glee is that more often than not the glee singers are better than the people who originally sung the song. The Britney spears stuff is great.

The super bowl show cover of thriller is also pretty good.


I do have the sort of opposite of a guilty pleasure; I am not really that keen on the Beatles.

Popularity is not a reflection of quality though Diggers. see Jedward (from your favourite programme, who says it doens't produce quality>)

I personally can't stand The Beatles, I think their popularity had more to do with the time they arrived/image, rather than any quality. Certainly lyrically they were appalling.

I'm not writing off people for liking music that I don't. I'm having a go at the music itself which is by and large, throwaway soul-less drivel.

How the likes of Girls Aloud etc can look themselves in the eye and admit they aren't in it for mercenary reasons astounds me.

SR
I must also confess to never owning a Beatles disc/Cd/whatever the kids use these days. Very strange for someone of my vintage.

Saw Elton John at Falkirk last week, he was brilliant and really looked like he and his band were having a ball. Two members of his band have been with him for 42 and 40 years.
It was a bit like an over 60's outing at times but we all enjoyed it.

The support act were Two Cellos. Two young lads from Croatia. They were quite unbelievable, how on earth they managed to make two cellos sound like a 5 piece full on heavy metal rock band defeats me. well worth seeing.

Doon

Someone sent my a youtube clip of Two Cellos, they were very impressive.

super_realist wrote:Popularity is not a reflection of quality though Diggers. see Jedward (from your favourite programme, who says it doens't produce quality>)

I personally can't stand The Beatles, I think their popularity had more to do with the time they arrived/image, rather than any quality. Certainly lyrically they were appalling.

I'm not writing off people for liking music that I don't. I'm having a go at the music itself which is by and large, throwaway soul-less drivel.

How the likes of Girls Aloud etc can look themselves in the eye and admit they aren't in it for mercenary reasons astounds me.

Who cares if they are in for mercenary reasons, what kind of childish statement is that ? I dont see Bob Dylan giving away his millions or anyone you choose to mention.
Please dont tell me they should only make music for the joy it brings to others or I might just have to puke.
And once again....boriiiiinnnggggggggg....its only throwaway souless drivel to you. Nobosy has created yopu as an arbitor of good taste. Plenty of people considered experts woudl call you a moron for suggesting that the Beatles lyrics are appalling (though actually on the whole I agree, George Harrison was comfortably the best writer as songs like Something and my Guitar Gently Weeps show..)

Diggers

Are you really trying to have sensible, reasonable and well informed debate with Super?

I don't want people to give their money away, I just don't want talentless oxygen thieves like Cheryl Cole going about claiming they are musicians or artists when all they are in the industry for is money.

super_realist wrote:I don't want people to give their money away, I just don't want talentless oxygen thieves like Cheryl Cole going about claiming they are musicians or artists when all they are in the industry for is money.

She has wanted to be a singer/entertainer/pop star since she was a kid. Personally I doubt any of them do it initially for the cash. They probably want to be famous but also, and Im not sure why you cant see this, she clearly loves what she does and why wouldnt she? She obviously enjoys singing and dancing and being a pop star. Again you may not like this but its no different all from Chris Martin enjoying what he does and also getting fame and money along the way.

Super

Can you even play a musical instrument?

Mac, yes I play Guitar, not very well, but I do play.

Cole has made a living out of being moderately attractive and deeply unpleasant/thick/stupid and an attention seeking waste of skin, her dreadful singing voice comes considerably down the list of the reasons for her incomprehendible fame.

Super

Why so much hate all the time?

I dont care if your dad fiddled your willy, so please try and make a more positive contribution to the board. Leave the personal issues stuff to the shrinks sofa.

Stop being such a simpering ninny Mac, if we were all sweetness and light and libertarians like you it would get too boring.

We don't have "shrinks" in this country. Too much American tv?

yeah but shrink is way easier to spell.

super_realist wrote:Mac, yes I play Guitar, not very well, but I do play.

Cole has made a living out of being moderately attractive and deeply unpleasant/thick/stupid and an attention seeking waste of skin, her dreadful singing voice comes considerably down the list of the reasons for her incomprehendible fame.

That may be true but it has nothing to do with the fact she loves what she does and has always wanted to do it. Like I say, the money is a bonus and we all like money anyway.

My youngest G'daughter sings along to Adelle in the car.
Really funny to hear someone who is not yet 3 years old singing. 'Rolling in the deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep'

I was in my teens when the Beetles, Rolling Stones, and many others, where on the juke box in my local cafe, yes cafe, as that is where us young ones all hung out, drinking bottles of ice cold coca cola, the good days.


I don't find anything wrong with pop scene to day, just most of the songs don't appeal to me, still put it down to being wasted with choice when younger.

OP, I was brought up on the beatles and the stones as my fayjer was and still is a huge fan. I'd loved to have been able to see them live like my father did at the height of their careers.

Not a big fan of pop and pop culture we have nowadays, I like my bands and will say I do like some of the more iconic current day bands Oasis (pre 2000), Kings of Leon are superb live, been enjoying some old Snow Patrol stuff recently.

With reference to Doons comment about his G'daughter, similar thing with my boy he's nearly 7 and loves the Kings of Leon, should've seen some of the looks we got last week in local super market when he burst into a rendition of "Sex is on Fire" when he heard it on supermarket radio

Fulfilled the second to last entry on my concert bucket list a fortnight ago by seeing Bonnie Raitt in concert.
Superb.
Off to see Sarah McLaughlin next week, hope she's half as good (though she's way down that bucket list).

super_realist wrote:Thats a good shout actually. What are peoples guilty musical pleasures they you might not admit to in person.

Maroon 5!

Did I really say that out loud?

I'm quite like the band Fallon at the moment not sure if that's a guilty pleasure or not as they are pretty good.

My biggest guilty pleasure musically "Scissor Sister"

My guilty pleasure would be thrash metallers Slayer, never admit it to anyone cos people think its weird.

Also like Lady gaga, quite contrasting genres there!

Biggest guilty pleasure.... Tracy Ullman

I still like all the old stuff I used to like, the Clash, the Stranglers, the Pistols etc.

If I have a guilty pleasure at the moment then it's Amy MacDonald, totally different musically to a lot of the stuff I like but I think she's great.

JAS, You should just about be old enough to remember "The Lovely Aimi MacDonald" from At Last The 1948 Show . . . . . .

Think my guilty pleasure would a Rod Stewart album, anyone of them!!!

incon

Actually I quite like Lady Gaga as well.

Forgot just how good the intro to Metallica's 'Enter Sandman' was. Play it loud is the best advice...

nbs,
The best pitcher in baseball makes his entrance to every game he plays to the stadium-filling sounds of "Enter Sandman" . . . . . . . .

(It almost invariably means the next musical sound from the speakers will be "New York, New York" as the Yankees win again.)

I blasted it out while making dinner navy. Thanks for the reminder of a great tune.

The album sadly didn't make it past sandman as my girlfriend stomped in and put of "that racket".


Anyone have in good classic Spanish guitar albums I could listen to?

phenomenal guitar album by
Isaac Guillory,Mac. think he's deid now but he stayed with a friend On tour Many years ago and it was a long and amazing night.

McLaren wrote:I blasted it out while making dinner navy. Thanks for the reminder of a great tune.

The album sadly didn't make it past sandman as my girlfriend stomped in and put of "that racket".


Anyone have in good classic Spanish guitar albums I could listen to?

I know you are only joking - but just in case............If you want it really Spanish, then anything by Paco Pena would do the job. Should you only want Pseudo Spanish, then Jose Feliciano hits the spot and if the classic part is the most important, then you would have to go a long way to beat Julian Bream & John Williams - Together.

3 putt

thanks, listening to some of his tunes now. Pretty good so far.

oldshanker

I really wasn't joking, I bought the following album and really liked it;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Spanish-Guitar/dp/B003X53BYQ

What genre would you describe it as if not spanish guitar? Whatever it is I would like to find more of it.

OK Mac try

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYpdUo__dM8

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKwMsvhY-c

McLaren wrote:I blasted it out while making dinner navy. Thanks for the reminder of a great tune.

The album sadly didn't make it past sandman as my girlfriend stomped in and put of "that racket".


Anyone have in good classic Spanish guitar albums I could listen to?

Know where you're coming from there. Both points.

2 words - 6Music.

Mac, have a look at Jose Padilla, Luciano Zadro or Matt Otten for class guitar stuff.

Mac- are you familiar with Rodrigo y Gabriela?

super_realist wrote:Mac, have a look at Jose Padilla, Luciano Zadro or Matt Otten for class guitar stuff.

Yeah I saw them on X Factor, think one of them got to the judges house but never made the live shows.

They wouldn't darken the doors of the cringeworthy XFactor, they have talent and thus no place on that abomination.

Not sure if this has been discussed previously but does anyone get a bit specific about what music they listen to whilst driving (or getting the bus Mac) to the golf course?

I usually prefer something light and mellow although I have tried (on 4bbb match days) something more aggressive.

sometimes a bit of kings of convenience on the way to golf - pretty mellow