The golfers' Music Room

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Mac started a really good thread today and while I'm not as fussy about things going off topic as some people, it does seem a shame to drown out Mac's thread with music chat - so I think we'll have a music corner for us golfers (in addition to the forum-wide music section)

I know Kwini is keen on his music, often throwing musical references into his ballwasher topics (I remember one of his last efforts on the old site being entitled The Boys Are Back In Town, and the conversation going off into Thin Lizzy territory!

S_R (on the other thread) made a reference to "hating the Beatles" - discuss!

super_realist wrote:It's funny how this page isn't really about music, it's more of a musicians obituary.

Hilarious

Davie wrote:

super_realist wrote:It's funny how this page isn't really about music, it's more of a musicians obituary.

Hilarious

Yes, every time I see activity on this thread I think, Shyte who's died this time

Be_the_ball wrote:

Davie wrote:

super_realist wrote:It's funny how this page isn't really about music, it's more of a musicians obituary.

Hilarious

Yes, every time I see activity on this thread I think, Shyte who's died this time

Exactly!
That's why I mentioned someone I'd just seen. And who apparently lives outside Limerick! And certainly not deceased

Wow, what a honey, Can she get us tickets for the 2026 Ryder Cup?

Went to see Rival Sons last night - pretty good show. Jay Buchanan can't half belt it out. One of the supports was The Record Company and they were excellent as well.

Nobody just died?

pedro wrote:Nobody just died?

Went to see Little Feat doing their 50th Anniversary Tour a couple of weeks ago. Didn't know their stuff, or had at least forgotten it, but great show.
Except one band member was missing - Paul Barrere died a few days later . . . . . . . . .

pedro wrote:Nobody just died?

Ha ha, was just about to type that.

super_realist wrote:

pedro wrote:Nobody just died?

Ha ha, was just about to type that.

me too (not in a hashtag way mac)

In a second music but non-death related post (2 in a day on this thread...)

There is now an investment fund (Hipgnosis Songs Fund - Google it) that buys the rights to writers' catalogues and takes the future revenue (PRS revenue from radio/TV/streaming etc). One of the funds I invest in bought some, so when Sweet Dreams by Eurythmics came on the radio in the car this morning, I earned a fraction of a fraction of a penny.

Interesting. Wonder what the artists think of it i.e. losing(?) the rights to their own creations?

Always find the term "artist" rather silly in music. What's wrong with musician?

There's clearly lots of people in music with vastly different talent. I'm not sure a lot of them fit the criteria for "artist" or "musician" and a lot of their output could never be called "art".

navyblueshorts wrote:Interesting. Wonder what the artists think of it i.e. losing(?) the rights to their own creations?

The writers sell the rights to the fund. They only sell at a level that they are happy with. In the case that the performing artist is not the (or a) writer then they will still get whatever it is that they get for performing (if anything), it just deals with the writers income.

In many cases it's a "bird in the hand" scenario I think. Dave Stewart of Eurythmics is one of the writers who's portfolio is now in the fund. In his case I suspect he's gone for a pay day with no longer having to bother any more about paying someone to administer his income streams and reconciling/testing that it's all being paid from all sources in full and in good time.

He knows he wrote the stuff, the world knows he wrote it, he just doesn't get paid ongoing royalties anymore. He simply takes his x million quid lump sum and deploys it as he sees fit rather than getting (say) quarter of a million quid a year for the next however long he stays around for.

They don't have to sell, or sell all of everything. It's a business transaction agreed by both sides. Doubtless there will be someone down the line claiming the rights were sold too cheaply or any number of other music industry arguments. It just struck me as quite interesting.

Michael Jackson used to own the rights to many of the Lennon/McCartney songs. Think Macca bought themback recently though.

I believe Jackson sold 50% to Sony, who then bought the rest on Jackson death. Macca then reached an agreement with Sony when he used the US copyright Act 1976 which enables writers to claim it back after 35 or 56 years. Details of agreement not known.

Roller_Coaster wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:Interesting. Wonder what the artists think of it i.e. losing(?) the rights to their own creations?

The writers sell the rights to the fund. They only sell at a level that they are happy with. In the case that the performing artist is not the (or a) writer then they will still get whatever it is that they get for performing (if anything), it just deals with the writers income.

In many cases it's a "bird in the hand" scenario I think. Dave Stewart of Eurythmics is one of the writers who's portfolio is now in the fund. In his case I suspect he's gone for a pay day with no longer having to bother any more about paying someone to administer his income streams and reconciling/testing that it's all being paid from all sources in full and in good time.

He knows he wrote the stuff, the world knows he wrote it, he just doesn't get paid ongoing royalties anymore. He simply takes his x million quid lump sum and deploys it as he sees fit rather than getting (say) quarter of a million quid a year for the next however long he stays around for.

They don't have to sell, or sell all of everything. It's a business transaction agreed by both sides. Doubtless there will be someone down the line claiming the rights were sold too cheaply or any number of other music industry arguments. It just struck me as quite interesting.

Ta .

I'm never wrong wrote:I believe Jackson sold 50% to Sony, who then bought the rest on Jackson death. Macca then reached an agreement with Sony when he used the US copyright Act 1976 which enables writers to claim it back after 35 or 56 years. Details of agreement not known.

I think I heard McCartney on a radio interview once about talking to Jackson and recommending that Jackson buy the rights to big artists as an investment if they ever came up. Only to find that Jackson was up against him when the Beatles rights were up.

Why did Cats Bumhole McCartney sell in the first place. If there was ever a group who didn't need to sell their over-rated back catalogue, surely it's The Beatles?

super_realist wrote:Why did Cats Bumhole McCartney sell in the first place. If there was ever a group who didn't need to sell their over-rated back catalogue, surely it's The Beatles?

Not sure the rights were his in the first place, weren't old recording contracts basically the publisher owns all rights?

Roller_Coaster wrote:

super_realist wrote:Why did Cats Bumhole McCartney sell in the first place. If there was ever a group who didn't need to sell their over-rated back catalogue, surely it's The Beatles?

Not sure the rights were his in the first place, weren't old recording contracts basically the publisher owns all rights?

Maybe Yoko needed some money.

Roller_Coaster wrote:

Not sure the rights were his in the first place, weren't old recording contracts basically the publisher owns all rights?

Indeed. Springsteen and Queen has callings out with publishers/managers but got their rights later

Couldn’t resist a google at whos who in terms of sales, some surprises in there to be fair https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/best-selling-music-artists-of-all-time-2016-9

Jesus, some people have made a fortune out of virtually no talent.

Have never heard of the guy at number 2.

Also
seeing Britney Spears at 49 (rank not age) reminded me that it is impossible to shake off (waits for incoming puns) having something for her.

The pinnacle.

Country music’s the thing.

pedro wrote:Country music’s the thing.

Did anyone bother to read that this is a list of highest selling "artists" in the United States only and not the world? No wonder it's full of C&W trash,  awful boybands and  teeny rubbish like Rihanna, Lady Gaga and  Taylor Swift

super_realist wrote:

pedro wrote:Country music’s the thing.

Did anyone bother to read that this is a list of highest selling "artists" in the United States only and not the world? No wonder it's full of C&W trash,  awful boybands and  teeny rubbish like Rihanna, Lady Gaga and  Taylor Swift

Ah no I didn’t, must admit I did think there were a few oddities. Not that I’m a fan but no ABBA? They sold shedloads, although clearly not in U.S. Even in the U.S. though, still the Beatles knock everyone else out the park...really??

Anybody else try & get Killers tickets for next year? They’re probably the only band I haven’t seen that I really want to see so I took the trouble earlier in the week to preorder their new album which got me a code that got me into the presale on Weds, looks like a good decision as the public sale this morning was a bit “busy”. Looking at the resale prices they’ve doubled already, now seriously wondering if we should cash in :-/

JAS wrote:Anybody else try & get Killers tickets for next year?

Are they the Mormon rock band?

McLaren wrote:

JAS wrote:Anybody else try & get Killers tickets for next year?

Are they the Mormon rock band?

...and a bands religious beliefs is relevant why exactly??

I saw the Killers, a few years back at the 02, they were superb. That guy can sing!

Dislike the Killers.

Not as much as Super will, but I don't like them.

That said, go and see them JAS if they're on your list. You at least sound like you're enough of a fan. Don't just make money out of it.

Jas

Just didn't think Mormon rock would have been your thing.

McLaren wrote:Jas

Just didn't think Mormon rock would have been your thing.

Mac, I spent enough of my early adult life (successfully) kicking religion out of my football allegiance, why the hell would I introduce my musical taste to it?

I like The Killers but have never heard any mormonic connection, presumably a Mac wind-up. And agree Flowers can belt it out.

But it does remind of the old Paul Azinger line when, still an active Pro, he called Johnny Miller a moron. When Miller took offence, he said, no, not moron, Mormon. Which of course he is.

The Killers have made some great songs, lots if energy, so come to think of hormons rather than mormons.

I watched a documentary on Michael Hutchence the other day. While I don't dislkie tge inxs songs I know, I'm not a huge fan. But it was really interesting. Similar to an Eric Clapton one a while back, again really good.

Don't necessarily love "Country" or "Americana", but love most of the Highwomen's album.

And: I wonder of Death Cab For Cutie sent flowers to Neil Innes's family . . . . . . . . . ?

Another one bites the dust:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51072190

Awesome drummer. Not sure who was the better of him, Bonham or Baker. An abiding gigging regret of mine that I never saw Rush live.

navyblueshorts wrote:Another one bites the dust:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51072190

Awesome drummer. Not sure who was the better of him, Bonham or Baker. An abiding gigging regret of mine that I never saw Rush live.

One of the saddest losses yet. A pure powerhouse of a drummer - saw them many times over the years and never fail to disappoint. Best I've ever seen (along with Mike Portnoy who very much modeled himself on Peart.

There is a documentary from almost 10 years ago now called "Beyond the Lighted Stage" - available on YouTube but with annoying subtitles or an Netflix if you have access to that. Covers from their very early years up to Snakes and Arrows tour. Highly recommended

This should be renamed The Music Obituary.

Davie wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:Another one bites the dust:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51072190

Awesome drummer. Not sure who was the better of him, Bonham or Baker. An abiding gigging regret of mine that I never saw Rush live.

One of the saddest losses yet. A pure powerhouse of a drummer - saw them many times over the years and never fail to disappoint. Best I've ever seen (along with Mike Portnoy who very much modeled himself on Peart.

There is a documentary from almost 10 years ago now called "Beyond the Lighted Stage" - available on YouTube but with annoying subtitles or an Netflix if you have access to that. Covers from their very early years up to Snakes and Arrows tour. Highly recommended

Ta for that recommendation - will definitely look it up. I always thought Peart could do anything, but he never really drummed for drumming's sake, if you get my meaning. Some amazing rhythms and patterns in his repertoire. Combined with Lee, the more than competent Lifeson and a willingness to experiment/evolve, always enjoyed Rush.

Must look up some Dream Theater at some point - another gap in my collection.

super_realist wrote:This should be renamed The Music Obituary.

Hah; maybe. Deaths often trigger recollections though.

navyblueshorts wrote:
Must look up some Dream Theater at some point - another gap in my collection.

Another personal favourite of mine - but I would definitely recommend the earlier years before Portnoy left. They haven't been as good since he left. I'd recommend Scenes from a Memory and Octavarium as best places to start. And if you like that sort of thing, definitely check out the Neal Morse Band (with Portnoy). Currently in my opinion the best band around and when I saw them last year it was probably the best gig I have ever seen. Don't be put off by the fact the Neal Morse is a born-again Christian. Some of the lyrics are religion based but IMO never comes across as "preachy" and at the end it's the music that counts

I watched something on sky arts,I think, about the top 20 drummers, by other drummers. Really interesting. Now im never going to go against Grohl though!

beninho wrote:I watched something on sky arts,I think, about the top 20 drummers, by other drummers. Really interesting. Now im never going to go against Grohl though!

DG's birthday today, ben, lots of N and FF on my radio station in "celebration".

Not that I know him one iota, but Grohl seems like a good egg w/ a decent sense of humour. Not a bad musician either.

Grohl is great,. I was born in 1980, so started getting into music early 90s, and Nirvana were a real favourite and loved the whole grunge scene. But his drumming on qotsa songs for the dead, is also supreme.

beninho wrote:Grohl is great,. I was born in 1980, so started getting into music early 90s, and Nirvana were a real favourite and loved the whole grunge scene. But his drumming on qotsa songs for the dead, is also supreme.

Forgot about that! Songs for the Deaf was excellent.