England vs India First ODI debate

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So the first ODI is about to get underway.
The big news of the day is that Sachin Tendulkar isn't playing.
India team.
Rahane
P Patel
Dravid
Kohli
Sharma
Raina
Dhoni
Ashwin
P Kumar,
Vinay Kumar
M Patel

Eengland.
Cook
Kieswetter
Trott
Morgan
Bell
Stokes
Patel
Bresnan
Broad
Anderson
Dernbach.

Not the best of starts for India with Tendulkar out, but will they show some fight on the field? Will England enhance their not so stable ODI reputation? Will Captain Cook continue to surprise? Will they miss Pietersen?

eirebilly wrote:I didnt see it hodge but i bet it was funny lol.

bumble was taking the mick out of freddie apparantly saying how come he couldn't hit people around the park when he hit Murali for 2 6's in a row, so when someone smacks it to Flintoff on the boundary off bumble's bowling, freddie gets right under it etc but just lets it go through his hands pretty much.

Loved Athers commentary on Bumble's batting

Suddenly the pitc looks bad when we try to bat.

Cook gone, eng deep in.trouble and bowling first looks a poor decision chasing nearly 300.

Sounds good Hodge.

Cook out now, not the best of starts for England.

Getting 250 was enough.

This is not our form of the game at all sadly.

The rr climbs already.

painful to watch.

Keep em coming trebs

Are you watching billy?

You do have to ask why we the away the toss and bowled?

India are loving this scoreboard pressure and how it has tied us up.

With the players they have returning then if we can't win here I can see a whitewash for them.

Plumb lbw.. And because it's england he gives it I guess.

Rain .. India win dl anyway with our batting and billy on side.

Off for Rain...

We are truly dire at ODI's

WHY ARE THERE NO LIGHTS?!

Its September in England, seriously fire the muppet who decided that lights weren't going to be needed...

Truly greg.

we can't do it. Not even top 8 at it.

I can only hope we knew about the rain and wanted to wind india up setting a winning total for nothing.

I was watching trebbs.

Trott is going to have to anchor England again. Why are England so poor at ODI's?

The only time India looked on top in this tour, , the damned English weather steps in.

cricinfo says it may be a pretty long delay.
Considering India's luck in the tour so far, I think this wil be a wash out.

Sad to say msp83, looks like they might be right. Looks like a long delay is on the cards.

This is just terrible!!!!.

When India played here before, it was a washout with India being on top through a Tendulkar hundred and a fine hand from Dravid.

if it's like the weather we have here then it's been set all day, it came in from the West and isn't going anywhere.

The next two weeks are looking to be very wet indeed, we could see every match affected.

The might get 20 overs in and get the win for your boys though msp. the loudest chunk of the crowd will be hanging around and hoping. Billy did you a nice favour quickly remembering what an LBW is.

don't fancy the day nighters this week either with the wet week ahead.

this could come down to one or two matches that actually get any results.. not what India need after a tough summer.

The bbc said england would need 164 to win in 20 overs. impossible then when 27-2. espn cricinfo says they'd need 93 off 20, does seem a little more sensible.

England knew rain was coming, they seem to have put India in for that reason and yet they didn't hit out.. they need to if they are to have any chance.

Bit of a shame this if most of the games get affected by the weather. It will may take away any chance India may have to win a match on this series.

well this next first three look possibly doomed.. maybe the second week Billy.

We can only hope trebbs, it would be sad to see India go home empty handed.

Well we're getting some action then.

England might as well just admit we are awful at ODI's

Spoke too soon Gregers

Stupid rain

There wont be anymore play. This one is done and dusted.

Gregers wrote:

England might as well just admit we are awful at ODI's

Sadly its very true.

India will feel robbed today

Although this means we can't lose this series 5-0!

True, just 4-0 probably (rain allowing). We are a good team in general but definitely a bit pants at the ODI form.

lol cant believe dravid got given out yesterday, umpire went by sound and they got told they werent allowed to do that.

The next one already seems like another washout.

i have to say that india play well, solid with the bat, and once again, praveen kumar bowled really well.

it was out though CF, snicko picked it up. Hotspots useless the 3rd umpire shouldn't use it.

Now they say even Snicko wasn't entirely conclusive. Anyways, there should be some more discussion on the review.
I was a total of the BCCI stands on UDRS for some time but some recents events have convinced me to have rethink things a bit. While all the Dravid controversies were going on, in Sri Lanka, Philip Hughes was given out LBW of a ball that spun after pitching on leg, but the ball tracking technology showed hitting leg.
Even umpires are confused by the hotchpotch way of using the DRS.
The DRS should be there, across formats, across countries, and all possible technology should be used. There should be more of R&D on the same to make it more error free.

was very impressed again with the way bresann bowled at the end of the innings

Dernbach was poor at the end though. England should have left some over for Broad to bowl at the end.

dunno what was inconclusive about snicko, big sound showed up just as the ball passed the bat. Definitely out! also if you look carefully you pick up a change in the rotation of the ball as it passes the bat, which was what Erasmus communicated to Doctrove (i.e. sound plus that change = edge)

when cooky got the captaincy i was a bit sceptical about it, but i think he proved in the sri lanka series that he knows what he's doing, and i think as time goes on, he will develop into a very good skipper.

Unless the weather changes a lot , then the 2nd game in Hants looks doomed

Maybe they could play on Wednesday instead ?

Mad for Chelsea wrote:dunno what was inconclusive about snicko, big sound showed up just as the ball passed the bat. Definitely out! also if you look carefully you pick up a change in the rotation of the ball as it passes the bat, which was what Erasmus communicated to Doctrove (i.e. sound plus that change = edge)

MFC, I was following the match on TMS then and they described events just like you said. But it seems the TV people didn't entirely agree about that one, the sound could have come from the bat handle turning in his hand or something, and many of them were of the view that there was nno clear deviation conclusive enough to give that out. Remember the original decision was not out. cricinfo, although not taking a clear call on it, seemed to have agreed with the TV view.
Anyways, all that is done and dusted, but after all these, Think my position of the review, has changed a little bit, from total support to critical support.

Stellar Key wrote:Unless the weather changes a lot , then the 2nd game in Hants looks doomed

Maybe they could play on Wednesday instead ?

yeah it's not looking good. The rest of the week looks dodgy in the West, not sure about the Oval on Friday.

Looking like being a truncated series this one.

damn thats not good, was looking forward to watching the game tomorrow

cricketfan90 wrote:i have to say that india play well, solid with the bat, and once again, praveen kumar bowled really well.

India's luck to blame, how many dogs are there in England??
more than the human population of 60 million??
easily,
they have all PEEed on India and Dhoni's luck.

msp83 wrote:

Mad for Chelsea wrote:dunno what was inconclusive about snicko, big sound showed up just as the ball passed the bat. Definitely out! also if you look carefully you pick up a change in the rotation of the ball as it passes the bat, which was what Erasmus communicated to Doctrove (i.e. sound plus that change = edge)

MFC, I was following the match on TMS then and they described events just like you said. But it seems the TV people didn't entirely agree about that one, the sound could have come from the bat handle turning in his hand or something, and many of them were of the view that there was nno clear deviation conclusive enough to give that out. Remember the original decision was not out. cricinfo, although not taking a clear call on it, seemed to have agreed with the TV view.
Anyways, all that is done and dusted, but after all these, Think my position of the review, has changed a little bit, from total support to critical support.

I'll go with critical support, I think it's better than nothing, and still serves to eliminate howlers from the game (for instance had Harbajan been able to review his LBX decision in the second test it would immediately have been overturned, with no technology other than action replays needed), but we need to be careful in the way we use hotspot for instance. It should only be used as evidence that there is an edge, and not as evidence that there isn't (unless it picks up something else explaining the noise).

Having said that, I was watching without the sound for the Dravid dismissal, and I gave it out on viewing the replays (change in the ball rotation = edge). Also if you look at snicko, the sound happens at the exact time the ball passes the bat and looks like an edge. Would be a MASSIVE coincidence if it was the bat handle turning in his hand or something...

Mad for Chelsea wrote:

msp83 wrote:

Mad for Chelsea wrote:dunno what was inconclusive about snicko, big sound showed up just as the ball passed the bat. Definitely out! also if you look carefully you pick up a change in the rotation of the ball as it passes the bat, which was what Erasmus communicated to Doctrove (i.e. sound plus that change = edge)

MFC, I was following the match on TMS then and they described events just like you said. But it seems the TV people didn't entirely agree about that one, the sound could have come from the bat handle turning in his hand or something, and many of them were of the view that there was nno clear deviation conclusive enough to give that out. Remember the original decision was not out. cricinfo, although not taking a clear call on it, seemed to have agreed with the TV view.
Anyways, all that is done and dusted, but after all these, Think my position of the review, has changed a little bit, from total support to critical support.

I'll go with critical support, I think it's better than nothing, and still serves to eliminate howlers from the game (for instance had Harbajan been able to review his LBX decision in the second test it would immediately have been overturned, with no technology other than action replays needed), but we need to be careful in the way we use hotspot for instance. It should only be used as evidence that there is an edge, and not as evidence that there isn't (unless it picks up something else explaining the noise).

Having said that, I was watching without the sound for the Dravid dismissal, and I gave it out on viewing the replays (change in the ball rotation = edge). Also if you look at snicko, the sound happens at the exact time the ball passes the bat and looks like an edge. Would be a MASSIVE coincidence if it was the bat handle turning in his hand or something...

Dravid has had a a twist with one of those massive coincidence already with his unreviewed decision.
Also, the playing conditions has to be consistently made applicable to both sides as well.