Do you know your Matchplay rules?

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Players A & B and Players C & D are playing 4ball betterball Matchplay.

Players A & B win the first two holes.

As they walk to the 3rd tee, Player B notices Player C has 15 clubs in the bag. The extra club is Player D's who accidentally put it in Player C's bag at the range. Player C gives Player D the club back before they tee off on the 3rd.

Players C & D win the 3rd hole.

What's the match score as they tee-off on the 4th?

BanBam - Merc is right but when a player suffers a loss of hole in match play it only applies to the player concerned. You played from the correct tee so would have still been in the hole.

blue, there was no loss of hole applied to anyone in this situation. my partner could have continued to play his ball providing he wasn't asked to re-play it from the correct tee (which he wasn't). as it happens, he was out of the hole anyway having put it in the whins. if they had asked him to play from the correct tee he'd have re-started the hole with no penalty.

I am under the impression that as long as it is spotted, you can simply re-take your shot, if you tee off from outside the markers?

Is this different to teeing off from the wrong tees?

JDandfries wrote:I am under the impression that as long as it is spotted, you can simply re-take your shot, if you tee off from outside the markers?

Is this different to teeing off from the wrong tees?

No, the same answer applies to both playing from the wrong tees and playing from outside the teeing ground.

ban-bam
In strokeplay, not only is it a 2 stroke penalty but the player must then play from the correct teeing ground. The stroke from outside the teeing ground doesn't count. Easiest way to remember this is to consider it 3 off the tee. Also, the error must be rectified before the player makes a stroke at the next teeing ground. All strokes made before the error is rectified do not count.

Sorry ban_bam didn't make myself plain, just advising that if the punishment had been loss of hole for your partner (where he had broken another rule) the Ladies could not have claimed the hole for themselves as the punishment would not apply to you also. Fully understand that the rule was applied correctly in the situation you describe.

Mercurio wrote:

JDandfries wrote:I am under the impression that as long as it is spotted, you can simply re-take your shot, if you tee off from outside the markers?

Is this different to teeing off from the wrong tees?

No, the same answer applies to both playing from the wrong tees and playing from outside the teeing ground.

But you cannot just re-take your shot, in match play it is at the discretion of your opponent, i.e. if you've played into the scrub they can insist that the original shot stands.

bluefoxgolf wrote:

Mercurio wrote:

JDandfries wrote:I am under the impression that as long as it is spotted, you can simply re-take your shot, if you tee off from outside the markers?

Is this different to teeing off from the wrong tees?

No, the same answer applies to both playing from the wrong tees and playing from outside the teeing ground.

But you cannot just re-take your shot, in match play it is at the discretion of your opponent, i.e. if you've played into the scrub they can insist that the original shot stands.

Which is why I said:

No penalty, but the ladies could ask him to cancel the stroke and play a ball from the correct tees.

good idea to double check bam bam. i would have been of the same opinion as you. 2 shot penalty usually corresponds to loss of hole

Anyone with an iphone* should ensure they get the free Rules of Golf App from the R&A.

It's very, very good and even has quizzes to test your knowledge.

* I assume you can get it on Android, too.

Eyetoldyouso wrote:ban-bam
In strokeplay, not only is it a 2 stroke penalty but the player must then play from the correct teeing ground. The stroke from outside the teeing ground doesn't count. Easiest way to remember this is to consider it 3 off the tee. Also, the error must be rectified before the player makes a stroke at the next teeing ground. All strokes made before the error is rectified do not count.

eye, spot on, was generalising a little - very dangerous! been in the situation in stroke play once before and played it as 3-off.

Certain there is a difference between outside teeing ground and wrong tees!??


I see I am wrong, it is just different in match play to stroke play

Mercurio wrote:

bluefoxgolf wrote:

Mercurio wrote:

JDandfries wrote:I am under the impression that as long as it is spotted, you can simply re-take your shot, if you tee off from outside the markers?

Is this different to teeing off from the wrong tees?

No, the same answer applies to both playing from the wrong tees and playing from outside the teeing ground.

But you cannot just re-take your shot, in match play it is at the discretion of your opponent, i.e. if you've played into the scrub they can insist that the original shot stands.

Which is why I said:

No penalty, but the ladies could ask him to cancel the stroke and play a ball from the correct tees.

Apologies to you Merc, didn't spot that it was you that made the ealier comment.

JDandfries wrote:Certain there is a difference between outside teeing ground and wrong tees!??

There's no difference in matchplay.

Talking of the quiz on the R&A App, I've just had another go (it's different questions each time).

I got 9 out of 10 correct.

The one I got wrong:

A player is not entitled to have another ball lifted if the ball interferes mentally with his play.

True or False?

I think that is false

bluefoxgolf wrote:I think that is false

You think correctly.

A couple of related decisions:

22/1 Mental Interference by Another Ball

Q. In order for A to be entitled to have B's ball lifted because of interference, does B's ball have to be on or near A's line of play and thus in a position to interfere physically with A's ball? Or may A also have B's ball lifted if it is off his line of play but catches his eye and thus constitutes mental interference?

A. A player may, under Rule 22-2, have another ball lifted if the ball interferes either physically or mentally with his play.

22/2 Player Claims That Another Ball Lying 30 Yards Away Interferes with His Play

Q. B's ball is three feet from the green on the direct line to the hole with A's ball which is 30 yards from the green. May A require B to lift his ball, on the ground that the ball interferes with his play?

A. Yes

22/3 Player Requests Another Player to Lift His Ball in Absence of Reasonable Possibility Ball Might Interfere or Assist

Q. A's ball is on the putting green. B's ball is 100 yards from the green. B requests A to lift his ball under Rule 22-2 as it might interfere with his (B's) play. This happens several times during the round. Is such procedure permissible?

A. Rule 22 is intended to cover situations where there is a reasonable possibility that one ball might assist or interfere with another ball. If the Rule is being abused, as in this case, the Committee would be justified in penalising B for undue delay (Rule 6-7).

only if its on your line, or will affect your swing?

ban_bam wrote:only if its on your line, or will affect your swing?

I think this answers it:

Rule 22 is intended to cover situations where there is a reasonable possibility that one ball might assist or interfere with another ball.

just seen your post merc.

Mercurio wrote:Anyone with an iphone* should ensure they get the free Rules of Golf App from the R&A.

It's very, very good and even has quizzes to test your knowledge.

* I assume you can get it on Android, too.

Yes, it is on Android. I've had this on my HTC for ages

Mercurio wrote:Anyone with an iphone* should ensure they get the free Rules of Golf App from the R&A.

It's very, very good and even has quizzes to test your knowledge.

* I assume you can get it on Android, too.

Cheers Merc, will look this up later. Think I'm OK on the basics but the quizzes sound good.