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Scotland 15 Georgia 6
First topic message reminder :
Scotland: R Lamont; M Evans, N De Luca, G Morrison, S Lamont; D Parks, R Lawson (capt); A Jacobsen, R Ford, E Murray, N Hines, J Hamilton, A Strokosch, R Rennie, K Brown.
Replacements: D Hall, G Cross, A Dickinson, R Gray, R Vernon, C Cusiter, C Paterson.
Late change with Scott Lawson pulling out and Ross Ford coming in - definintely adds to the bulk of the pack. Unfortunately means Dougie Hall will come on at some point though.
I'm off work today so can watch!
Come on Scotland!!!!!!!!!!!
Scotland: R Lamont; M Evans, N De Luca, G Morrison, S Lamont; D Parks, R Lawson (capt); A Jacobsen, R Ford, E Murray, N Hines, J Hamilton, A Strokosch, R Rennie, K Brown.
Replacements: D Hall, G Cross, A Dickinson, R Gray, R Vernon, C Cusiter, C Paterson.
Late change with Scott Lawson pulling out and Ross Ford coming in - definintely adds to the bulk of the pack. Unfortunately means Dougie Hall will come on at some point though.
I'm off work today so can watch!
Come on Scotland!!!!!!!!!!!
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RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
Georgia and Romania I reckon will give Argentina and England a fright too. I think they were much strener opposition than most of us expected. I seriously doubt anyone in this group will be getting 2 bonus point wins.
England are hardly invincible, they were very unconvincing against Ireland and Wales took their Scalp too. I have had this conversation with a lot of posters on here and I will stand by my comments, there is very little between any of the teams in the northern hemisphere.
Argentina will be a tough game for Scotland too I have no doubt and Scotland almost never go into rugby games as "favourites" that tag does not suit us well and normally forces us to choke uncontrollably.
I agree with this Radge. It's all to play for in this pool and Scotland just need to take it a game at a time. There will be no easy games for anyone here.
Scotland are definitely in with a shout of winning this pool but there's a long way to go.
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Ruggeradge you cannot mention your wins against South Africa and Australia without mentioning the numerous losses too. It gives balance.
The only strength Scotland have against England is the backrow. In all other aspects England trump Scotland.
We won't know how good Georgia and Romania really are until Argentina and England play them.
Scotland can take solace from 2 wins out of 2 and qualification for the 2015 world cup already! Two toughest matches to come though!
The only strength Scotland have against England is the backrow. In all other aspects England trump Scotland.
We won't know how good Georgia and Romania really are until Argentina and England play them.
Scotland can take solace from 2 wins out of 2 and qualification for the 2015 world cup already! Two toughest matches to come though!
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miaow wrote:RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
Don't watch a lot of rugby do you, or at least if you do I guess you failed to watch Scotland's last game against England at Twickenham where England were soundly beaten at the breakdown all game long
You will be beaten up up front, because England and Argentina play a far more intense and physical game in the forwards, and relish it. Argentina especially. Richie Gray in the lineout will be paramount, and perhaps with Parks' tactical kicking, you have a gameplan on which to live off the other teams' mistakes, because, for the last two years, Scotland have produced feck all in almost every game.
And yet, you've just wasted 80 minutes of your fantastically sad life watching this team?
Here's a suggestion. Why don't you leave these boards and this game generally to fans of it? You're clearly here only to start arguments, so why don't you head down to your local and call someone's girlfriend ugly?
We'll see how England get on against the Georgia and the Romania packs before commenting about how much better they are than Scotland. If it wasn't for Youngs you've have one defeat on the board at present.
Graceless.
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George Carlin: miaow is Welsh...
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George - apart from the fact that he is Welsh, well said!
I know he will come on here to defend himself but his attitude is terrible. I wouldn't go onto a predominately Welsh board and start slagging them off and saying they are a terrible team and there is no point watching them.
We're Scottish - we'll support Scotland no matter what, so we don't give a crap that you think we're rubbish!
I know he will come on here to defend himself but his attitude is terrible. I wouldn't go onto a predominately Welsh board and start slagging them off and saying they are a terrible team and there is no point watching them.
We're Scottish - we'll support Scotland no matter what, so we don't give a crap that you think we're rubbish!
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Yup, the cat has taken time off from slagging Engerland to have a dig at the Scots.
Can't see his problem though, two games, two wins, the Scots are doing alright - after all, you don't get points for artistic impression and there's not a phone-in where fans can vote to say who wins - you just get that 'W' for scoring more than the opposition.
Simples
Can't see his problem though, two games, two wins, the Scots are doing alright - after all, you don't get points for artistic impression and there's not a phone-in where fans can vote to say who wins - you just get that 'W' for scoring more than the opposition.
Simples
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There is no easy game in this pool.
Congratulations to Scotland for winning but two tough games for you to come.
A win is a win and Scotland have two of them. Onwards and upwards.
Will they find it tough against Argentina and England? Yes. Can they win though? Of course.
No win is a certainty.
You would expect Scotland to qualify for the quarter finals. Not a foregone conclusion though.
Congratulations to Scotland for winning but two tough games for you to come.
A win is a win and Scotland have two of them. Onwards and upwards.
Will they find it tough against Argentina and England? Yes. Can they win though? Of course.
No win is a certainty.
You would expect Scotland to qualify for the quarter finals. Not a foregone conclusion though.
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There is no easy game in this pool. All 5 teams have very strong Packs. To be at this stage in the group with more than a week till our crunch game with Los Pumas I'm happy to have 2 wins and 9 points.
I'm not entirely convinced any team will be able to scoop more than 2 try scoring bonus points in this group.
I'm not entirely convinced any team will be able to scoop more than 2 try scoring bonus points in this group.
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Cowshot wrote:George Carlin: miaow is Welsh...
Deepest sympathies for that.
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rugbydreamer,
sincere apologies but that miaow guy is a Grade A !
Anyone else think Murray, Jacobsen or Brown for MoM ?
sincere apologies but that miaow guy is a Grade A !
Anyone else think Murray, Jacobsen or Brown for MoM ?
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from the comments in here and the match reports, I would opt for Murray or Jacobson. Sounds like your scrum really worked well today.
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I think the Welsh guy is still bitter at his sides inability to captitalise on a poor performance by the Springboks!
If only lee byrne had been able to 'win' a penalty in injury time again!
If only lee byrne had been able to 'win' a penalty in injury time again!
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rugbydreamer,
the scrum was good against a really useful Georgian unit who are seriously big fellows. We did field quite a large unit ourselves certainly - will go with Euan Murray as MoM although Jacobsen work in the loose maybe edges it. Can we not get God to give Big Uge some special dispensation to play v Argentina a week on Sunday. I would even pray for that one !
the scrum was good against a really useful Georgian unit who are seriously big fellows. We did field quite a large unit ourselves certainly - will go with Euan Murray as MoM although Jacobsen work in the loose maybe edges it. Can we not get God to give Big Uge some special dispensation to play v Argentina a week on Sunday. I would even pray for that one !
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My views on the game are as follows:
1. The conditions were tough. Soaking pitch and differing levels of rain throughout the match. Handling the ball was never going to be easy, and in those conditions I think very few sides in the world would have scored 4 tries (and England and Argentina certainly aren't two of them).
2. We made matters a little harder for ourselves than they had to be. Too many forced offloads, not the right tactic in those conditions. Parks also had a mixed day with the boot. Had the extra 9 points gone over, we'd be looking at a pretty decent scoreline.
3. Our defence was very good. Georgia never looked like scoring a try, and we limited them to 6 points, and one was a speculative thumb from inside the Georgian half.
4. Euan Murray has re-established himself as our first choice tighthead, and I think that front five should start the England game. Murray with Hamilton behind him will be a tough ask for whoever is called in to cover for Sheridan at loosehead for England.
5. Rennie has made it a very tough call between himself and Barclay for the Argentina game. I'd go with Barclay personally, but I don't feel strongly about it. Rennie made several key turnovers in that game and handled the ball as well as any of the backs. He also provided cover for Lawson when the scrum half was out of position. Strong game.
I wasn't blown away by the performance, far far from it, but in those conditions against that sort of side I'm pleased we didn't concede many points (credit to the defence) and I'm pleased we deprived them of a losing bonus point. Two wins a bonus point and no injuries. Now for the big games.
1. The conditions were tough. Soaking pitch and differing levels of rain throughout the match. Handling the ball was never going to be easy, and in those conditions I think very few sides in the world would have scored 4 tries (and England and Argentina certainly aren't two of them).
2. We made matters a little harder for ourselves than they had to be. Too many forced offloads, not the right tactic in those conditions. Parks also had a mixed day with the boot. Had the extra 9 points gone over, we'd be looking at a pretty decent scoreline.
3. Our defence was very good. Georgia never looked like scoring a try, and we limited them to 6 points, and one was a speculative thumb from inside the Georgian half.
4. Euan Murray has re-established himself as our first choice tighthead, and I think that front five should start the England game. Murray with Hamilton behind him will be a tough ask for whoever is called in to cover for Sheridan at loosehead for England.
5. Rennie has made it a very tough call between himself and Barclay for the Argentina game. I'd go with Barclay personally, but I don't feel strongly about it. Rennie made several key turnovers in that game and handled the ball as well as any of the backs. He also provided cover for Lawson when the scrum half was out of position. Strong game.
I wasn't blown away by the performance, far far from it, but in those conditions against that sort of side I'm pleased we didn't concede many points (credit to the defence) and I'm pleased we deprived them of a losing bonus point. Two wins a bonus point and no injuries. Now for the big games.
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+1beshocked wrote:There is no easy game in this pool.
Congratulations to Scotland for winning but two tough games for you to come.
A win is a win and Scotland have two of them. Onwards and upwards.
Will they find it tough against Argentina and England? Yes. Can they win though? Of course.
No win is a certainty.
You would expect Scotland to qualify for the quarter finals. Not a foregone conclusion though.
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Agreed, the games effectively get tougher with each time of asking. A key plus is the lack of injuries or citings for us (to my knowledge). We now have a decent long break to get the squad ready for the big match, and we can watch and see how Argentina get on against Romania on Saturday. Plenty to work on once more.
My team for the Argentina game:
1. Jacobsen
2. Ford
3. Cross
4. Hines
5. Gray
6. Strokosch
7. Barclay
8. Brown
9. Blair
10.Jackson
11.Danielli
12.S Lamont
13.Ansbro
14.M Evans
15.CP
16.Low 17.S Lawson 18.Dickinson 19.Kellock 20.Vernon 21.R Lawson 22.R Lamont
My team for the Argentina game:
1. Jacobsen
2. Ford
3. Cross
4. Hines
5. Gray
6. Strokosch
7. Barclay
8. Brown
9. Blair
10.Jackson
11.Danielli
12.S Lamont
13.Ansbro
14.M Evans
15.CP
16.Low 17.S Lawson 18.Dickinson 19.Kellock 20.Vernon 21.R Lawson 22.R Lamont
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Oh, and also encouragingly, we haven't resorted to embarrasingly blaming the ball for missing kicks.....
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Well let´s be truthful here: this is not the tough side of the pool. Georgia and Romania have powerful forwards but should not prove so difficult to overcome. The only positive Scotland can take from their two opening matches is they have won them. If it comes down to bonus points, they have done themselves no favours.
Now they must approach the Argentina game as a must win. You don´t want to pin your hopes on upsetting England. So hopefully Scotland can raise their game to the level required and take the experience they learned from their series win in Argentina and use that productively. If they win that game then they can play England without any pressure and might surprise. But in order for that to occur they will have to raise their performance a whole set of notches above these dour displays.
So best of luck for the Argentina game. Hope you can get the win and then approach the England game without a dagger hanging over you.
Now they must approach the Argentina game as a must win. You don´t want to pin your hopes on upsetting England. So hopefully Scotland can raise their game to the level required and take the experience they learned from their series win in Argentina and use that productively. If they win that game then they can play England without any pressure and might surprise. But in order for that to occur they will have to raise their performance a whole set of notches above these dour displays.
So best of luck for the Argentina game. Hope you can get the win and then approach the England game without a dagger hanging over you.
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C'mon Kiakaha, you know that the Scot's underdog attitude means that they will lose narrowly to Argentina after maintaining a late comfortable lead, and then have to pull out the performance of a life time to down the English.
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Kiakaha - on the bonus point issue having watched the game this morning, and seen the conditions, I don't really feel that we've let one slip. I think the big three SH sides would probably have managed, better ball skills, but we're up against England and Argentina, and neither looked very sharp in the openning game. Not sure either would have got the 4 tries today.
We will though need to improve to beat Argentina, and we'll need to cut down on the individual unforced errors. Several of our attacks foundered with a silly knock-on due to a playing trying the miracle pass, when a quick recycle with width would have been effective. Still, I think we have the abilities to beat Argentina personally, and reckon we'll sneak it. It'll be interesting to see how they get on against Romania.
We will though need to improve to beat Argentina, and we'll need to cut down on the individual unforced errors. Several of our attacks foundered with a silly knock-on due to a playing trying the miracle pass, when a quick recycle with width would have been effective. Still, I think we have the abilities to beat Argentina personally, and reckon we'll sneak it. It'll be interesting to see how they get on against Romania.
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is there a chance that Kellock could be dropped as captain? or is that just wishfull thinking?
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I certainly hope not GG. I have a soft spot for Scotland as my father is Scottish and even got a cap for the national team and played against the ABs with Oxford.
So I hope they can do it. They just have to wipe the slate clean and take confidence from the series win in Argentina as their form so far hasn´t been anything to write home about.
The good thing is that Scotland know what to expect, very much like what they´ve faced so far against Romania and Georgia. Tough, no nonsense forward play and percentage rugby. If anything, the whole pool is a carbon copy of each other with differing levels of finesse. So there will be no surprises and AR can confidently think of the right tactics based on what he´s seen so far from Argentina.
I´d dearly love to see Scotland pull off a win against England and no doubt so would you GG. But let them beat Argentina as well. That way, you´d have an England vs AB quarter final and bragging rights to be won or lost for four years. But one step at a time...
So I hope they can do it. They just have to wipe the slate clean and take confidence from the series win in Argentina as their form so far hasn´t been anything to write home about.
The good thing is that Scotland know what to expect, very much like what they´ve faced so far against Romania and Georgia. Tough, no nonsense forward play and percentage rugby. If anything, the whole pool is a carbon copy of each other with differing levels of finesse. So there will be no surprises and AR can confidently think of the right tactics based on what he´s seen so far from Argentina.
I´d dearly love to see Scotland pull off a win against England and no doubt so would you GG. But let them beat Argentina as well. That way, you´d have an England vs AB quarter final and bragging rights to be won or lost for four years. But one step at a time...
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The blog on this site is worth a look guys - www.sprfcfan.com Big Al Kellock mentioned it in his Scotsman column. These guys can really tank it !
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A very well respected Scots coach and 13 of the squad who ply their trade in France....... it was never going to be a walkover.
Georgia have put the infrastructure in place to become a top tier team. They have steadily improved since their first RWC in 2003, nearly claiming the Irish scalp in 2007. Dont be surprised if they give one of the other big two a real shock. 9 out of a possible 10 i will take.
Georgia have put the infrastructure in place to become a top tier team. They have steadily improved since their first RWC in 2003, nearly claiming the Irish scalp in 2007. Dont be surprised if they give one of the other big two a real shock. 9 out of a possible 10 i will take.
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To be honest I think the weather played a pretty big part in matters as well. We are no great shakes in the handling skills department, but one of the reasons we couldn't capitalise on the territory and possession we had was that the bar of soap that was the rugby ball was hard to spin, and against a chunky side like Georgia, we were unable to generate enough momentum in the tight game to breach them at close quarters.
Much better performance in the forwards than against Romania, but less so for the backs.
I feel better about the squad now than I did against Romania, despite the lack of tries.
Much better performance in the forwards than against Romania, but less so for the backs.
I feel better about the squad now than I did against Romania, despite the lack of tries.
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Ha. Enjoyed the really rather pathetic attempts at insults.
However, I really do not see what I've done wrong in pointing out how poor Scotland looked, both today and against Romania, where the inability to put away what is basically an amateur team until the last few minutes is shocking. Add to that the borefest against the Irish second string, and a pretty shocking 6N, I cannot see anything that leads me to believe that you will beat either Arg or England. That's not WUMming, pathetic attempts to dismiss me because of my nationality.
Am I not allowed to call this as I see it? Is this not a rugby board? Scotland look incredibly limited and, despite having some decent outside backs in the Lamonts and Max Evans, you have nothing from 10-13, and seem unable to score a try through the forwards either. This is a good result, yes, in that they've won, although, despite Georgia being a decent side, they really ought to have opened them up as they tired in the last quarter.
Not: if your team looks really very average, and someone tells you this, they might be telling the truth, and not trying to cause an argument. K?
However, I really do not see what I've done wrong in pointing out how poor Scotland looked, both today and against Romania, where the inability to put away what is basically an amateur team until the last few minutes is shocking. Add to that the borefest against the Irish second string, and a pretty shocking 6N, I cannot see anything that leads me to believe that you will beat either Arg or England. That's not WUMming, pathetic attempts to dismiss me because of my nationality.
Am I not allowed to call this as I see it? Is this not a rugby board? Scotland look incredibly limited and, despite having some decent outside backs in the Lamonts and Max Evans, you have nothing from 10-13, and seem unable to score a try through the forwards either. This is a good result, yes, in that they've won, although, despite Georgia being a decent side, they really ought to have opened them up as they tired in the last quarter.
Not: if your team looks really very average, and someone tells you this, they might be telling the truth, and not trying to cause an argument. K?
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I agree with much of what you've said. Scotland have looked limited, no question. In the one match where we manage to score four tries, we also concede a shed load. In the next we shut out the opposition successfully, but in the process we blunt ourselves. As you say, we were hardly playing the All Blacks.
That brings me onto my next point though, Argentina and England aren't the All Blacks either. We have a fairly good record against Argentina in recent years, and they looked pretty average against England I thought, and awful against Wales in the warm-ups (certainly worse than Scotland did in our two warm-up victories). Combative, but average.
Similarly England, whose only real positive was that they were poor and won. They were stodgy and lacked dynamism, and the shape of the backline still looks wrong.
I think Argentina and England are rightly favourties with the bookies to beat us, but my optimism that we'll make the QFs is as much based on their inadequacies as it is on anything else. We are no great shakes, but neither are they.
That brings me onto my next point though, Argentina and England aren't the All Blacks either. We have a fairly good record against Argentina in recent years, and they looked pretty average against England I thought, and awful against Wales in the warm-ups (certainly worse than Scotland did in our two warm-up victories). Combative, but average.
Similarly England, whose only real positive was that they were poor and won. They were stodgy and lacked dynamism, and the shape of the backline still looks wrong.
I think Argentina and England are rightly favourties with the bookies to beat us, but my optimism that we'll make the QFs is as much based on their inadequacies as it is on anything else. We are no great shakes, but neither are they.
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Folks, first time poster.
Not seen game or highlights but was delighted to here of parity in scrum.
How was Lawson? Why was cussiter not brought on. Was lawsons delivery from breakdown ok? Would have liked to have seen cus get game time.
Some one made a good comment in another topic about having team for argies to be pack from this game and backs from Rom game however, we need to remember that we shipped 24 points in that game.
Any news of injuries?
On an aside. Miaow - enjoyed your funny comments on old 606 but perhaps wait for the dust to settle before posting immotive comments on a very stressful game for Scottish supporters.
Not seen game or highlights but was delighted to here of parity in scrum.
How was Lawson? Why was cussiter not brought on. Was lawsons delivery from breakdown ok? Would have liked to have seen cus get game time.
Some one made a good comment in another topic about having team for argies to be pack from this game and backs from Rom game however, we need to remember that we shipped 24 points in that game.
Any news of injuries?
On an aside. Miaow - enjoyed your funny comments on old 606 but perhaps wait for the dust to settle before posting immotive comments on a very stressful game for Scottish supporters.
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I understand the emotion, but please, I shouldn't be accused of talking sheet when I'm just pointing out the bleeding obvious!
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Ghad, welcome aboard
I think we managed at least parity in the scrum, perhaps even had the upper hand in a couple, which seemed to dent Georgian confidence a fair bit - full credit to Chunk/Ford/Euge, altho I wonder how much influence the boiler room had too?
Lawson was ok, didn't do anything spectacular, nor anything totally dopey (Parks was on hand for that!). He must have been involved a Fair bit cos Rennie ended up at scrum half at a load of breakdowns. As captain, don't think he's lost a game yet. Not sure why Cus didn't feature, I'd have been inclined to get some more game time in him too.
No major injuries - I think Lawson took a shin knock which meant the last minute switchwith Ford.
Miaow was in severe wind up mode today, altho he'll deny it (lesson 27, part 3 in the 'Art of the professional WUM'). Unfortunately for him, this forum distinguishes itself from old 606 by virtue ofthe level of respect, something glaringly missing from 's contributions today
I think we managed at least parity in the scrum, perhaps even had the upper hand in a couple, which seemed to dent Georgian confidence a fair bit - full credit to Chunk/Ford/Euge, altho I wonder how much influence the boiler room had too?
Lawson was ok, didn't do anything spectacular, nor anything totally dopey (Parks was on hand for that!). He must have been involved a Fair bit cos Rennie ended up at scrum half at a load of breakdowns. As captain, don't think he's lost a game yet. Not sure why Cus didn't feature, I'd have been inclined to get some more game time in him too.
No major injuries - I think Lawson took a shin knock which meant the last minute switchwith Ford.
Miaow was in severe wind up mode today, altho he'll deny it (lesson 27, part 3 in the 'Art of the professional WUM'). Unfortunately for him, this forum distinguishes itself from old 606 by virtue ofthe level of respect, something glaringly missing from 's contributions today
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Yes mate, blame me for the fact that Scotland were dire and you can't face the truth
I said nothing inflammatory, and all criticisms were fair and valid. Really rather pathetic that you won't address the points I raised, and would rather dismiss me as a WUM because, perhaps, it's too hard to actually admit Scotland need to pull their finger out to pick up another win in the WC.
I said nothing inflammatory, and all criticisms were fair and valid. Really rather pathetic that you won't address the points I raised, and would rather dismiss me as a WUM because, perhaps, it's too hard to actually admit Scotland need to pull their finger out to pick up another win in the WC.
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Miaow - despite the fact that I will be in Wellington to watch the game, if Scotland beat Argentina (and hence qualify) I will endeavour to find an internet cafe in the following days and look for your humble apologies for doubting that Scotland could do it.
I hope Scotland win because I love rugby, I love my country and I have spent a lot of money to go and watch them - but almost becoming top of the list is to see you eat humble pie. That will make me very happy.
Oh yeah - amature Georgia team? Didn't realise the French top 14 was an amature league.
I hope Scotland win because I love rugby, I love my country and I have spent a lot of money to go and watch them - but almost becoming top of the list is to see you eat humble pie. That will make me very happy.
Oh yeah - amature Georgia team? Didn't realise the French top 14 was an amature league.
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What? Even if they win, I won't be wrong in saying Scotland go into these two games looking unlikely to qualify. I'm hardly saying they will absolutely, definitely lose both games. Jeez...
I'm fairly certain I called the Romanians amateurs, not the Georgians. Learn to read.
I'm fairly certain I called the Romanians amateurs, not the Georgians. Learn to read.
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I'm sorry to say this but I agree with Miaow, I want Scotland to do well, but in truth they are playing dire, dire rugby. When they do throw it around the mess it up and concede points, and if they don't they plod along in second gear and barely scrape wins against very weak sides.
Your far to inconsistent, playing well once, then badly for 2 games, and have very few genuine world class players.
Andy Robinson must surely have used nearly all the political capital he got from that win against South Africa a while ago.
Scotland will never do anything with Dan parks at 10, yet Robinson refuses to change him. Scotland have a decent back row, but it isn't utilised correctly.
The bottom line is that you played Georgia, didn't score a try and whilst you can say they have a few professionals in France, the vast majority are in the lower leagues and nearly all the ones in the higher division are front row players!
I doubt Georgia and Romania, will get within 30 points of Argentina and 40 of England.
Year after year, Scotland talk themselves up and every year they do poorly! After Wales beat Scotland (luckily) in 2010, a lot of Scottish fans were quick to point out that we would see what happens in Murrayfield next time... Well Wales went to Murrayfield and barely had to play any rugby and still won 24-6!
I'm sorry to say this, because I really do like the Scots and their team, but people say the Welsh are delusional at times, but Scottish fans seem to be even worse than us.
I pray Scottish rugby sorts itself out, because all my life in games between Wales and Scoitland it was a 50/50 game, yet in the last 9 games Wales have won 8 of them, and whilst I would like to say Wales are in the midst of a Golden era, the true fact is we are not!
The truth is Scottish rugby is in a dire mess and is getting worse each year, and I hope they sort it out, because the Scottish people deserve better than the shower of shít being served up by the SRU, Andy Robinson, their 2 professional teams and their international players.
What sickens me the most is Scotland and Andy Robinsons solution to these problems is to play more Tier B nations instead of playing the Tri Nations sides!
He may keep his job what you are going to fall behind Italy soon at that rate.
Your far to inconsistent, playing well once, then badly for 2 games, and have very few genuine world class players.
Andy Robinson must surely have used nearly all the political capital he got from that win against South Africa a while ago.
Scotland will never do anything with Dan parks at 10, yet Robinson refuses to change him. Scotland have a decent back row, but it isn't utilised correctly.
The bottom line is that you played Georgia, didn't score a try and whilst you can say they have a few professionals in France, the vast majority are in the lower leagues and nearly all the ones in the higher division are front row players!
I doubt Georgia and Romania, will get within 30 points of Argentina and 40 of England.
Year after year, Scotland talk themselves up and every year they do poorly! After Wales beat Scotland (luckily) in 2010, a lot of Scottish fans were quick to point out that we would see what happens in Murrayfield next time... Well Wales went to Murrayfield and barely had to play any rugby and still won 24-6!
I'm sorry to say this, because I really do like the Scots and their team, but people say the Welsh are delusional at times, but Scottish fans seem to be even worse than us.
I pray Scottish rugby sorts itself out, because all my life in games between Wales and Scoitland it was a 50/50 game, yet in the last 9 games Wales have won 8 of them, and whilst I would like to say Wales are in the midst of a Golden era, the true fact is we are not!
The truth is Scottish rugby is in a dire mess and is getting worse each year, and I hope they sort it out, because the Scottish people deserve better than the shower of shít being served up by the SRU, Andy Robinson, their 2 professional teams and their international players.
What sickens me the most is Scotland and Andy Robinsons solution to these problems is to play more Tier B nations instead of playing the Tri Nations sides!
He may keep his job what you are going to fall behind Italy soon at that rate.
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Re: Scotland 15 Georgia 6
miaow wrote:I understand the emotion, but please, I shouldn't be accused of talking sheet when I'm just pointing out the bleeding obvious!
There is nothing obvious about your comments apart from the back handed attempt at winding us up. We haven't been poor in all aspects at all.
1. Romania - We scored 4 tries against a team (17th) in world rugby, and yes we played poorly but alot of our pack on that day will not be turning out againt Argentina. You cannot get more than 5 pts so job done.
2. Georgia - 13 players plying their trade in the French S14 league, (16th) in world rugby and a team closer to Italy (11th) place, than Wales (6th) are to France in (5th) place. The weather was attrocious, wet and windy, the ball was greasy....... not really best conditions for running rugby. Our defence was superb our attack non-existant, we gave too many penalties away which again disrupted our play and pattern, but we controlled the game which was the primary objective.
You will see a mixture of players from those two games providing a nucleus of a very good side which if we play to our ability we have a great chance of getting a result and qualification against Argentina .
Whilst we haven't set the world cup alight, 9 pts out of 10 is just dandy and what we as a nation planned for...... thank you very much.
Just remember you have to face Fiji who are only one place (15th) above Georgia............. so we are assuming that you believe Wales should take 5 pts against them
We'll all be waiting to hear from you after the Samoan (10th) v Wales (6th) game
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miaow wrote:flyhalf
You used to be sound on the old 606. Shame.
Yep showing your true colours now ............... BLEEDING OBVIOUS
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flyhalffactory wrote:miaow wrote:flyhalf
You used to be sound on the old 606. Shame.
Yep showing your true colours now ............... BLEEDING OBVIOUS
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flyhalffactory wrote:miaow wrote:flyhalf
You used to be sound on the old 606. Shame.
Yep showing your true colours now ............... BLEEDING OBVIOUS
I see your trrruuuuuuuuueeeeeeee coloouurrssssssss, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiining through.
Not sure what you meant by that. I'm just saying you used to provide insightful and bi-partisan comments on the old 606, showing a decent knowledge of Welsh rugby and the Scarlets, and not least an appreciation of SJ's talents, which can't be said about all Welsh fans.
It's a shame you're now knocking me as a WUM. No idea why you're doing that. People really do have massive chips on their shoulders, I've posted on here for three days, and people have thrown the tag out there already just because I'm commenting on another team, and daring to judge them and perhaps criticise them.
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miaow wrote:flyhalffactory wrote:miaow wrote:flyhalf
You used to be sound on the old 606. Shame.
Yep showing your true colours now ............... BLEEDING OBVIOUS
I see your trrruuuuuuuuueeeeeeee coloouurrssssssss, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiining through.
Not sure what you meant by that. I'm just saying you used to provide insightful and bi-partisan comments on the old 606, showing a decent knowledge of Welsh rugby and the Scarlets, and not least an appreciation of SJ's talents, which can't be said about all Welsh fans.
It's a shame you're now knocking me as a WUM. No idea why you're doing that. People really do have massive chips on their shoulders, I've posted on here for three days, and people have thrown the tag out there already just because I'm commenting on another team, and daring to judge them and perhaps criticise them.
I think there are various reasons that you are being tagged a WUM but if you are miaow, which i doubt, you are a shadow of your former self
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Even thoguh Scotland has not had the most convincing start to the RWC, they are sitting pretty, all they have to do now is target another win.
Their next game is vs argentina, so if they set themselves up with a win there, they can go hell for leather vs England and might just top their group.
Their next game is vs argentina, so if they set themselves up with a win there, they can go hell for leather vs England and might just top their group.
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miaow wrote:flyhalffactory wrote:miaow wrote:flyhalf
You used to be sound on the old 606. Shame.
Yep showing your true colours now ............... BLEEDING OBVIOUS
I see your trrruuuuuuuuueeeeeeee coloouurrssssssss, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiining through.
Not sure what you meant by that. I'm just saying you used to provide insightful and bi-partisan comments on the old 606, showing a decent knowledge of Welsh rugby and the Scarlets, and not least an appreciation of SJ's talents, which can't be said about all Welsh fans.
It's a shame you're now knocking me as a WUM. No idea why you're doing that. People really do have massive chips on their shoulders, I've posted on here for three days, and people have thrown the tag out there already just because I'm commenting on another team, and daring to judge them and perhaps criticise them.
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Lot to play for v England but i think they may reap the whirlwind from a wounded Argentine side...my money is on Eng/arg to progress. No chance they will top group, more chance of Habana scoring a try
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Gatts wrote: Lot to play for v England but i think they may reap the whirlwind from a wounded Argentine side...my money is on Eng/arg to progress. No chance they will top group, more chance of Habana scoring a try
Then it that case you are right, Habana won't score a try.
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+1flyhalffactory wrote:miaow wrote:I understand the emotion, but please, I shouldn't be accused of talking sheet when I'm just pointing out the bleeding obvious!
There is nothing obvious about your comments apart from the back handed attempt at winding us up. We haven't been poor in all aspects at all.
1. Romania - We scored 4 tries against a team (17th) in world rugby, and yes we played poorly but alot of our pack on that day will not be turning out againt Argentina. You cannot get more than 5 pts so job done.
2. Georgia - 13 players plying their trade in the French S14 league, (16th) in world rugby and a team closer to Italy (11th) place, than Wales (6th) are to France in (5th) place. The weather was attrocious, wet and windy, the ball was greasy....... not really best conditions for running rugby. Our defence was superb our attack non-existant, we gave too many penalties away which again disrupted our play and pattern, but we controlled the game which was the primary objective.
You will see a mixture of players from those two games providing a nucleus of a very good side which if we play to our ability we have a great chance of getting a result and qualification against Argentina .
Whilst we haven't set the world cup alight, 9 pts out of 10 is just dandy and what we as a nation planned for...... thank you very much.
Just remember you have to face Fiji who are only one place (15th) above Georgia............. so we are assuming that you believe Wales should take 5 pts against them
We'll all be waiting to hear from you after the Samoan (10th) v Wales (6th) game
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Interesting review of the game and pointers for England from Paul Ackford: ScotvsGeor
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Re: Scotland 15 Georgia 6
flyhalffactory wrote:miaow wrote:I understand the emotion, but please, I shouldn't be accused of talking sheet when I'm just pointing out the bleeding obvious!
There is nothing obvious about your comments apart from the back handed attempt at winding us up. We haven't been poor in all aspects at all.
1. Romania - We scored 4 tries against a team (17th) in world rugby, and yes we played poorly but alot of our pack on that day will not be turning out againt Argentina. You cannot get more than 5 pts so job done.
2. Georgia - 13 players plying their trade in the French S14 league, (16th) in world rugby and a team closer to Italy (11th) place, than Wales (6th) are to France in (5th) place. The weather was attrocious, wet and windy, the ball was greasy....... not really best conditions for running rugby. Our defence was superb our attack non-existant, we gave too many penalties away which again disrupted our play and pattern, but we controlled the game which was the primary objective.
You will see a mixture of players from those two games providing a nucleus of a very good side which if we play to our ability we have a great chance of getting a result and qualification against Argentina .
Whilst we haven't set the world cup alight, 9 pts out of 10 is just dandy and what we as a nation planned for...... thank you very much.
Just remember you have to face Fiji who are only one place (15th) above Georgia............. so we are assuming that you believe Wales should take 5 pts against them
We'll all be waiting to hear from you after the Samoan (10th) v Wales (6th) game
+1
Having watched the game now I have to say I'm more encouraged now than after the Romanian game.
The Georgian pack was widley trumped to be a wrecking ball, stacked full of Super 14 players, one even being voted the best foreign player by the French press over the likes of Parisse. They were big tough and very abrasive and Scotland's tight 5 neutralized them in the Scrum and ourbackrow kept thumping them in the loose. We had domination in the line out and our forwards laid the foundation for a very comfortable win that unlike in the Romania game, the Georgians never looked close to winning.
The backs too did their best with the dreadful conditions. It was a quagmire underfoot and the rain never let up for 80 minutes. Morrison tackled well but surprisingly not as well as DeLuca who made hits I did not think he was capable of. Rory Lamont was like a rock under the high ball and Sean Lamont again had a good game. Parks again showed us why he has the reputation of both saviour and sabateur of Scotlands world cup chances with some impressive touch finders and then making dire kick to touch at the end of the 2nd half. Parks really needs to have a long hard look in the mirror and stop embarrasing himself. I would however never tell Chunk to look in the mirror, I couldn't be that cruel.
All in all it was a forward driven victory, although it had to be because of the conditions. The conditions played a massive part in the game in terms of handling errors, even teams like Wales and Australia would have found it hard to play their style of free flowing rugby in conditions like these. Had the conditions been better and we had made 17+ handling errors alarm bells would have been ringing. Rest assured you cant win test match rugby making that ammount of mistakes, however when the weather is bad like that I feel Scotland played the game and conditions well and we won the match, comfortably.
If the conditions against Argentina are the same we may find overpowering them will be much harder than overpowering Georgia. In truth Scotland need a calm dry night where our arguably more potent backs can shift the ball about and create gaps, something England should have tried to do.
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And David Sole's thoughts on the game: Sco-Geo
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