Vitali K VS Haye

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Ok I have a feeling this fight will happen as Haye will retire after anyway so I cant see contracts getting in the way.. Haye will fight for pride, and its still a good little pay day for VK, better than most options out there.

My first thoughts are that Haye would get knocked out but I am having second thoughts. I think Haye still has very dangerous power and his speed is always very dangerous, and while he may not knock VK out he can still give him reason for concern.

WK is faster that VK and I think it was WKs reflexes that helped him deal with Haye, But im not sure VK will cope with his speed as much and I think Haye may well have a shout at getting a SD or something with this one... I would not bed my house on it but I do feel open to it.

JDandfries wrote:I was going to respond directly to PBF, but I reaslise he is on the WUM again, every he makes is bollox

Yeah when you have a different opinion you are labelled a "WUM" sorry I forgot about that...Maybe you can make up your own opinion instead of listening to others...Remember before the weigh in I picked Fury to beat Chisora when nearly everyone had Chisora to win...There is a reason why I am the Prediction League Champion.

The genius of PBF wrote:

JDandfries wrote:I was going to respond directly to PBF, but I reaslise he is on the WUM again, every he makes is bollox

Yeah when you have a different opinion you are labelled a "WUM" sorry I forgot about that....

Suspect it is when you pretend to be a famous fighter and say you are going to bed because it is night time in Vegas that earns you that particular tag.

rowley wrote:

The genius of PBF wrote:

JDandfries wrote:I was going to respond directly to PBF, but I reaslise he is on the WUM again, every he makes is bollox

Yeah when you have a different opinion you are labelled a "WUM" sorry I forgot about that....

Suspect it is when you pretend to be a famous fighter and say you are going to bed because it is night time in Vegas that earns you that particular tag.

Jealousy is a bad thing Rowley...Maybe one day Jim Jeffries would get the props you think he deserves.

The genius of PBF wrote:

rowley wrote:

The genius of PBF wrote:

JDandfries wrote:I was going to respond directly to PBF, but I reaslise he is on the WUM again, every he makes is bollox

Yeah when you have a different opinion you are labelled a "WUM" sorry I forgot about that....

Suspect it is when you pretend to be a famous fighter and say you are going to bed because it is night time in Vegas that earns you that particular tag.

Jealousy is a bad thing Rowley...Maybe one day Jim Jeffries would get the props you think he deserves.

If he doesn't it won't be through a lack of effort on my part.

Skipton has its own time zone, jeff. Being a Yorkshireman, like PBF, you should know that.

Sorry but Haye doesn't possess near the power of Lewis who we can predict may have stopped Vitali eventually but despite hitting him with his best shot hadn't, Haye I will admit had concussive power at cruiserweight but it hasn't translated up to heavyweight quite as well.

The Money Man wrote:Sorry but Haye doesn't possess near the power of Lewis who we can predict may have stopped Vitali eventually but despite hitting him with his best shot hadn't, Haye I will admit had concussive power at cruiserweight but it hasn't translated up to heavyweight quite as well.

Stopping the durable Ruiz who was only stopped once before and hurting the giant Valuev who has never been rocked before shows me Haye does have concussive power.

The likes of Tony Thompson, Helenius have been buzzed in sparring and apparently could not believe how good Haye's speed and power was...If Vitali does not think Haye can hurt him then he is in for a nasty shock.

Ruiz hadn't fought anyone at the top level for years and was stopped because of an accumulation of punches not by one shot, he wouldn't hit Vitali that much without return fire and the big man is far more durable than Ruiz. I don't think either example you have given proves Haye to have the power to do what Lewis couldn't do in 6 rounds especially when he throws far less and hasn't the style to impose himself.

Sparring is sparring and much of what happens gets exaggerated, Greg Page floored Tyson but look how his career panned out.

The Money Man wrote:Ruiz hadn't fought anyone at the top level for years and was stopped because of an accumulation of punches not by one shot, he wouldn't hit Vitali that much without return fire and the big man is far more durable than Ruiz. I don't think either example you have given proves Haye to have the power to do what Lewis couldn't do in 6 rounds especially when he throws far less and hasn't the style to impose himself.

Sparring is sparring and much of what happens gets exaggerated, Greg Page floored Tyson but look how his career panned out.

I personally dont think Vitali can take the punishment Haye took out on Ruiz...Ruiz was floored by a brilliant punch from Haye which he was knocked out before he hit the floor and woke up just after...Lets not forget Lewis was out of shape and past his prime then.

Past his prime or not he could still punch very very hard, far harder than Haye could possibly hope to do and in no way has Ruiz got the durability of Vitali, think i'll leave this discussion there.

The Money Man wrote:Past his prime or not he could still punch very very hard, far harder than Haye could possibly hope to do and in no way has Ruiz got the durability of Vitali, think i'll leave this discussion there.

Shame whenever Vitali fights he does not seem to share the same view as you....I stand by the comment that Vitali cant take the punishment Ruiz would...You underestimate David Haye's punching power.

The genius of PBF wrote:

The Money Man wrote:Ruiz hadn't fought anyone at the top level for years and was stopped because of an accumulation of punches not by one shot, he wouldn't hit Vitali that much without return fire and the big man is far more durable than Ruiz. I don't think either example you have given proves Haye to have the power to do what Lewis couldn't do in 6 rounds especially when he throws far less and hasn't the style to impose himself.

Sparring is sparring and much of what happens gets exaggerated, Greg Page floored Tyson but look how his career panned out.

I personally dont think Vitali can take the punishment Haye took out on Ruiz...Ruiz was floored by a brilliant punch from Haye which he was knocked out before he hit the floor and woke up just after...Lets not forget Lewis was out of shape and past his prime then.

Haye has already fought what is considered the weaker brother and struggled badly, Haye is lucky he is even being considered for a shot.

Have you ever seen Vitali fight or are you basing his style upon that of his brothers, I apologise but the view that Haye punches as hard as Lewis is an absurd one as is the view that Ruiz is more durable than Vitali. For the sake of sanity lets agree to disagree and move on.

Haye has no recognised 1 punch power at heavy, he failed to KO Ruiz, failed to KO Valuev, failed to KO Barrett, Failed to KO Harrison and failed to even hit Wlad - infact he hasnt knocked anyone out for nearly 6 years - what on earth does Vitali, someone who has probably the best chin in boxing got to afarid of, if by chance Haye actually came to fight?

Haye is a two weight champion and more than deserves a shot than anyone else in the division...I have seen both brothers fight and I dont think Vitali has Ruiz durability...Haye has knockout power like Lewis.

You need to have fought in the ring to truly understand the sport of boxing.

I have seen both brothers fight and I dont think Vitali has Ruiz durability

Correct me if i'm wrong, but Vitali hasn't featured in anyones "Top 10 heavyweight knockouts".

The guy has a reputation as having one of the best chins in heavyweight history. A reputation you seem to be ignoring. Probably because you're on the WUM again.

JDandfries wrote:Haye has no recognised 1 punch power at heavy, he failed to KO Ruiz, failed to KO Valuev, failed to KO Barrett, Failed to KO Harrison and failed to even hit Wlad - infact he hasnt knocked anyone out for nearly 6 years - what on earth does Vitali, someone who has probably the best chin in boxing got to afarid of, if by chance Haye actually came to fight?

Thats funny because Haye knocked out Ruiz, Barrett, Harrison and hurt Valuev like has never been hurt before...Haye has knocked out everyone apart from 3 fighters...Never hit Klitschko really? Must have been imagining Klitschko holding on to Haye for no reason in the 12th round and his face was marked up from thin air.

Vitali Klitschko does not have the best chin in boxing more like the most overrated...Lewis stopped him like I already said it is myth that you all believe that Vitali cant be hurt.

coxy0001 wrote:

I have seen both brothers fight and I dont think Vitali has Ruiz durability

Correct me if i'm wrong, but Vitali hasn't featured in anyones "Top 10 heavyweight knockouts".

The guy has a reputation as having one of the best chins in heavyweight history. A reputation you seem to be ignoring. Probably because you're on the WUM again.

Hasn't faced anyone apart from Lewis and Sanders...Not ignoring anything it is just a myth like I said...Go back to following D4 around.

You looking forward to getting beat again on the prediction league?

knocked them all out? Really?

Surely as someone who 'understands boxing, having been in the ring' you will know that they were not knocked out at all!

Huge difference between the ref stopping it and not being able to make a 10 count

Lewis stopped Vitali on a technicality, he wasn't given a count by the ref nor did the ref wave the fight off with Vitali on his feet. The doctor stopped the fight due to a severe cut.

Having an iron chin and having a freak cut are 2 completely different things. Then again why am i bothering posting a sensible answer to someone on the WUM.

The genius of PBF wrote:

You need to have fought in the ring to truly understand the sport of boxing.

Most decent jockies have never been a horse.

JDandfries wrote:knocked them all out? Really?

Surely as someone who 'understands boxing, having been in the ring' you will know that they were not knocked out at all!

Huge difference between the ref stopping it and not being able to make a 10 count

Referee stopped it because they were in no condition to continue which counts as a knockout...Learn about the rules of boxing before slating me.

I think it is a technical KO, (that is what the record will say) so were the 'knocked out' or not?

Referee stopped it because they were in no condition to continue which counts as a knockout...Learn about the rules of boxing before slating me.

Suggest you might want to learn the rules. Because if a boxer is in no fit state to continue from say a headbutt, the fight will goto the scorecards providing 4 rounds have passed thus it would be a technical decision. Not a TKO.

coxy0001 wrote:Lewis stopped Vitali on a technicality, he wasn't given a count by the ref nor did the ref wave the fight off with Vitali on his feet. The doctor stopped the fight due to a severe cut.

Having an iron chin and having a freak cut are 2 completely different things. Then again why am i bothering posting a sensible answer to someone on the WUM.

Vitali Klitschko was out on his feet in the 6th round he was ready to go...Stunned badly against Sanders...Hatton used to have a "iron chin"...Like I said he has a good chin but it is not iron.

I think your the WUM personally.

rowley wrote:

The genius of PBF wrote:

You need to have fought in the ring to truly understand the sport of boxing.

Most decent jockies have never been a horse.

And, ladies and gents, we have our post of the day.

coxy0001 wrote:

Referee stopped it because they were in no condition to continue which counts as a knockout...Learn about the rules of boxing before slating me.

Suggest you might want to learn the rules. Because if a boxer is in no fit state to continue from say a headbutt, the fight will goto the scorecards providing 4 rounds have passed thus it would be a technical decision. Not a TKO.

Difference between a TKO and TD then isn't it which is how Vitali got stopped....A TKO counts as a knockout I think you need to learn the rules first.

The genius of PBF wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

Referee stopped it because they were in no condition to continue which counts as a knockout...Learn about the rules of boxing before slating me.

Suggest you might want to learn the rules. Because if a boxer is in no fit state to continue from say a headbutt, the fight will goto the scorecards providing 4 rounds have passed thus it would be a technical decision. Not a TKO.

Difference between a TKO and TD then isn't it which is how Vitali got stopped....A TKO counts as a knockout I think you need to learn the rules first.

"Referee stopped it because they were in no condition to continue which counts as a knockout...Learn about the rules of boxing before slating me."

You were speaking generally, mainly because you're a bit of a clown. Was just showing you up for not making a distinction. Quite badly showed up as well.

How many times has Vitali been down? Or had the ref looking on like he might stop it? Or be on jelly legs? Zero. And the Sanders fight was a case of a balance slip.

Seriously Shantel, or whichever person you're pretending to be today. You're just a sad WUM, you're going against every persons perception on Vitali's chin i.e. "Ruiz has more durability" being the cream of the crop, don't worry - you've been banned before for saying such tripe and i imagine it won't be long before your incessant WUMMING will not be tolerated any longer.

A blind one eyed Klitschko wasn't taken off his feet by Lewis, who when he wanted to would laugh over Haye in the power punching stakes. Says it all for me really.

Please don't come back to me unless you have anything sensible to say. If Haye does fight Vitali by all means announce you'll be retiring from watching and commenting on boxing if Haye doesn't manage to wobble him.

coxy0001 wrote:

The genius of PBF wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

Referee stopped it because they were in no condition to continue which counts as a knockout...Learn about the rules of boxing before slating me.

Suggest you might want to learn the rules. Because if a boxer is in no fit state to continue from say a headbutt, the fight will goto the scorecards providing 4 rounds have passed thus it would be a technical decision. Not a TKO.

Difference between a TKO and TD then isn't it which is how Vitali got stopped....A TKO counts as a knockout I think you need to learn the rules first.

"Referee stopped it because they were in no condition to continue which counts as a knockout...Learn about the rules of boxing before slating me."

You were speaking generally, mainly because you're a bit of a clown. Was just showing you up for not making a distinction. Quite badly showed up as well.

How many times has Vitali been down? Or had the ref looking on like he might stop it? Or be on jelly legs? Zero. And the Sanders fight was a case of a balance slip.

Seriously Shantel, or whichever person you're pretending to be today. You're just a sad WUM, you're going against every persons perception on Vitali's chin i.e. "Ruiz has more durability" being the cream of the crop, don't worry - you've been banned before for saying such tripe and i imagine it won't be long before your incessant WUMMING will not be tolerated any longer.

A blind one eyed Klitschko wasn't taken off his feet by Lewis, who when he wanted to would laugh over Haye in the power punching stakes. Says it all for me really.

Please don't come back to me unless you have anything sensible to say. If Haye does fight Vitali by all means announce you'll be retiring from watching and commenting on boxing if Haye doesn't manage to wobble him.

You show yourself up coxy just like you was humiliated on the prediction league…It doesn’t matter if he hasn’t been down that’s down to the lack of quality he has faced…He wobbled back from a punch from Sanders.

You just go around looking for fights and im sure your abuse of other members wont be tolerated seeing as you were banned recently. Ruiz does have more durability then Vitali but obviously does not have the same talent.

Haye has knockout power like Lennox Lewis…You should retire from the boards did you not predict Katsidis to beat Marquez.

He come second on the prediction league, hardly shown up. Pair of you would do well to grow up, on the back of last weeks events everyone else is trying to play nice, is it really beyond the pair of you?

Also if everyone who has called a fight wrong had to retire from the boards we'd be a little thin on the ground round here.

PBF, coxy hasn't abused you, unless you consider his thinking that you are WUMMING to be abuse. Even then, you must surely see that to claim that Ruiz is more durable than Vitali and that Haye hits so hard as Lewis lays you open to being accused of WUMMING.

coxy, PM for you.

Is this guy for real?

lovely_london wrote:you guys seriously know how to exagerate. he had a cut above his eyebrow. you are acting as if his face was on fire and dripping off.

fair enough the cut was deep but it was just a cut above the eyebrow. And Lewis received a lot of damage his nose was broken.

Spoiler:

What about the deep gash on his cheek? I think it was bad enough. Considering what McCloskeys got stopped for the other week

I would make Haye a massive underdog, but you never know.

I think Wlad is the stronger brother at this point. Haye can probably hit Vitali more frequently and he has to get old sometime.

He looked pretty good against Adamek, could have taken him out early but got the rounds in and systemtically broke him down.

Maybe Haye will lose but I think we should get behind him lets be honest it would be good to have a British champ and Klitschko has been around too long. Some people dont like Haye that is their opinion but I would prefer to see him be champ for Britain.

I'd be much more willing if on the back of his decisive loss to Wlad Haye had dome something in the intervening period to sugges the next time he steps in with a Klitschko he had half a chance of actually winning the fight or performing with more credit, a few fights to develop a plan other than circling outside and lunging in with haymakers might be an idea, but alas such stuff appears to be beneath our David. Why put in the hard work when you can shoot your mouth off and get a fight on the back of general boorishness.

Norris was down 4 or 5 times in 4 rounds against Simon Brown and must have been 30-25 or something when stopped..

He shut Brown out second time around..

There is precedent for Haye to follow..

Waingro wrote:Maybe Haye will lose but I think we should get behind him lets be honest it would be good to have a British champ and Klitschko has been around too long. Some people dont like Haye that is their opinion but I would prefer to see him be champ for Britain.

All that do it for Britain cr@p is exactly that CR@P! Haye doesn't care about Britain and neither he should he cares about himself and his family and of course his bank balance.

Lol mate he is not fighting the same Klitschko!

It doesn't matter what one he's fighting he doesn't have it in him to beat either of them.

Got to agree Kev hate all this you have to support him just because he is British, why should I support a guy I don't particularly like, don't think deserves the shot, don't think has a cat in hells chance and don't think gives a flying one about the fans, solely because he was born on the same lump of earth as me.

If he gets the shot will be cheering Vitali on and hope he smashes Haye into retirement.

I will be up for Haye and I think he an win if he gets Lewis to train him and give him tips. Dont get me wrong, Klichko is quality and has been a great champ but he is old now and its getting boring with him there for so long. Haye can be the one that shakes up the heavyweight division and opens the door for new champs coz i reckon if he beat him then Klitschko would retire. Alot of people dont like Haye buts lets be honest he deserves some credit for trying to take on the best again and not giving up some people would pack it in after his last fight not sure why people wont give him respect for fighting Klichko who is a beast. If he can get a fight quickly why not take it to be honest?

Waingro wrote: If he can get a fight quickly why not take it to be honest?

Because he will lose again. As I have said previous if a plane takes off at heathrow and crashes in Datchet, you don't put it straight back on the runway, you take it away try and work out what went wrong and then take action to make sure the same doesn't happen again, Haye should do similar.

I don't blame him for wanting the fight but after his performance against Wladimir he doesn't deserve another shot especially not at the stronger of the two brothers.

It's not about taking on the best for Haye it's about the money. If it wasn't he would have a couple of fights before Vitali but he isn't going to do that it's a Klitschko or he's retired.

prettyboykev wrote:I don't blame him for wanting the fight but after his performance against Wladimir he doesn't deserve another shot especially not at the stronger of the two brothers.

It's not about taking on the best for Haye it's about the money. If it wasn't he would have a couple of fights before Vitali but he isn't going to do that it's a Klitschko or he's retired.

Sadly Haye has turned out to be the latest example of many modern fighters caring more about money than legacy or respect.

JDandfries wrote:I don't think it was unsatisfactory at all, there were about 5 cuts, all of which gave an indication of teh accuracy of Lewis's punches - couldnt see VK lasting more than another 3 rounds anyway.

A good win by Lewis, who to be fair was out of condition and almost retired at that stage

Are you deluded? What makes you think VK couldn't last more than 3 rounds? It was Lewis who was lucky.

Lewis got outclassed in that fight.

And Haye does not stand a chance aganst VK. He was like a lost cat against WK so no chance against the better bro.

lovely_london wrote:

JDandfries wrote:I don't think it was unsatisfactory at all, there were about 5 cuts, all of which gave an indication of teh accuracy of Lewis's punches - couldnt see VK lasting more than another 3 rounds anyway.

A good win by Lewis, who to be fair was out of condition and almost retired at that stage

Are you deluded? What makes you think VK couldn't last more than 3 rounds? It was Lewis who was lucky.

Lewis got outclassed in that fight.

Lewis TKO6 Vitali.

lovely_london wrote:And Haye does not stand a chance aganst VK. He was like a lost cat against WK so no chance against the better bro.

What are your thoughts on famous English centre backs? Tony Adams or Viv Anderson?