What is reckless?

Lawes tackle vs Argentina.
Rory Lamont fly-hack vs Georgia.
Kearney clothes-line vs Australia?

All of them surprised you need to even ask this question.

The question is only significant in respect of the consequences.

This was Kearney on Beale right?

There was nothing in that. If you watch closely, Beale was ducking and then suddenly rose up about 1ft just before Kearney tackled him. There was no intent and no injury.

Then this question needs to be asked in a couple of days time when we have some more info on all the players mentioned.

But as consequences go if a player is put out of a game due to dangerous play then that has to be the worst one.

What has the consequential injury got to do with it?

Reckless means uncaring about the consequence.

You can't judge it on what happened after. You have to assess it on the judgement of the player in the microseconds before the incident.

And on that basis I'd judge them all equally reckless.

Cymroglan wrote:All of them surprised you need to even ask this question.

As stated

So all of them worthy of bans Cym?

Yes of course but as we all know that does not always happen.
And please don't think you have been hard done by it's all swings and roundabouts but I'm sure you are very aware of that.

fa0019 wrote:This was Kearney on Beale right?

There was nothing in that. If you watch closely, Beale was ducking and then suddenly rose up about 1ft just before Kearney tackled him. There was no intent and no injury.

If I was watching closely I'd notice that Ledesma had just been tackled an instant before Lawes hit him at full flight.

Portnoy wrote:

fa0019 wrote:This was Kearney on Beale right?

There was nothing in that. If you watch closely, Beale was ducking and then suddenly rose up about 1ft just before Kearney tackled him. There was no intent and no injury.

If I was watching closely I'd notice that Ledesma had just been tackled an instant before Lawes hit him at full flight.

With his knees... That was dangerous and he had a ban for it,,,, It's now time to move on from that incident.

There's lots of different terms.

Thuggery is Olivier Merles head butt on Ricky Evans which ended his career.

Dangerous is any one of lots of scottish players challanges on Lee Bryne while he is catching a ball in the air, because the Scottish players normally end up bloodied if not knocked out.

Accidental is Lee Bryne tripping over a abnormally large blade of grass when kicking in through to score the winning try against Scotland in 2010, sadly a Scottish player also had a foot out and the referee thought Bryne hit the foot. Though of course Bryne didn't say anything because he was disorientated from the fall.

Reckless is Shaw's boot into Dwayne Peels nose in 2005, when he illegally entered a ruck from the side and kicked him in the face.

Silly was Alfie running in to whack Shaw after he hit Peel, because shaw laughed at him.

So we got all the rugby terminologies commited to memory now lads?

AlynDavies wrote:Reckless is Shaw's boot into Dwayne Peels nose in 2005, when he illegally entered a ruck from the side and kicked him in the face.

It was Grewcock who was a thug of a player, not Shaw, who is not. Well he's not regularly caught being a thug.

Reckless is Shaw's boot into Dwayne Peels nose in 2005, when he illegally entered a ruck from the side and kicked him in the face.

If you are talking about Grewcock he certainly didn't enter the ruck at the side. He's not a cheater like that. He stepped over the ruck and booted him in the face.

I didnt see the Lamont incident but i saw the other 2.

As i have said often enough, Lawes ban deserved is because it was silly but hardly intentional.

Kearney could have seen red today, i have seen them given for less.

I would ask the author as to why he writes that Lawes was a tackle and Kearney was a clothes-line? Poor attempt at wummery.

For anyone who didn't see what contributed to Lawes being cited and banned.

http://www.rugbydump.com/index/2

I wonder what would of happened if it was a Samoan or Fijian player that did the high tackle on Beale.

perand25 wrote:I wonder what would of happened if it was a Samoan or Fijian player that did the high tackle on Beale.

Possibly the same if it was the same touch judges and referee to be honest. It was reckless and Kearney could have no complaints if he saw yellow or even red for that.

I think that as Kearney is not known as a dirty player as such worked in his favour , it's just that the Pacific islanders have a bit of a stigma attached to them with high tackles and wondered if it would of swayed the ref.
A penalty against Kearney was probably right though .

Yeah, reputation seems to influence some ref's perand and the PI teams certainly have that.