England 41 - 10 Georgia

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"England ran six tries past Georgia for a 41-10 win, but were made to work overtime for their victory in Dunedin on Sunday.

Whilst England bagged maximum points against the brave Georgians, who never gave up until the final whistle, Martin Johnson will know there's still plenty of work ahead in what was another unconvincing display by his side." PR


Georgia:

Gigauri, Machkhaneli, Kacharava, Zibzibadze, Todua, Kvirikashvili, Abuseridze, Khinchagashvili, Bregvadze, Kubriashvili, Zedginidze, Maisuradze, Sutiashvili, Gorgodze, Basilaia.

Replacements: Giorgadze, Zirakashvili, Datunashvili, Chkhaidze, Samkharadze, Berishvili, Khmaladze.



England:

Foden, Ashton, Tuilagi, Hape, Armitage, Flood, Youngs, Stevens, Hartley, Cole, Shaw, Palmer, Wood, Moody, Haskell.

Replacements: Thompson, Corbisiero, Croft, Deacon, Simpson, Wilkinson, Banahan.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:some stats:

England made more offloads than any other team at the WC in this match. To me, it looked like we were sometimes trying a bit too hard to force them, Banahan especially needs to look before off-loading. However it's a positive sign that England are trying to keep the game moving.

England conceded 11 penalties in the first half, just three in the second. Same story as against Argentian last week. Is it that it takes England that long to react to the ref? Do they need to have a man sin-binned before they start cutting it out? Or do they only wake up after a half-time "chat" from MJ?

Simon Shaw led the tackle count in this match with 18 tackles. Impressive stuff from a 38 year-old. Actually thought Shaw was excellent today...

Re the penalty counbt...a lot of it is down to sides coming out of the blocks all guns blazing fighting for every ball against better sides.
Once the game settles down and the weaker side tires they cant force as many penalties.
Everyone knows Englands weakness, they can be bullied off the ball. They play to that, and England respond with slack play and penaltes. They need to sort that out if they are going anywhere.

G2 wrote:Ashton isn't the only player so far in the RWC to do the swan dive is it only wrong if an English player does it?

It's wrong when any player does it.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

G2 wrote:Ashton isn't the only player so far in the RWC to do the swan dive is it only wrong if an English player does it?

It's wrong when any player does it.

Why?

G2 wrote:Will the Georgian player who led with the knees on Ashtons last try be cited?

It's funny, as soon as some people saw the Lawes incident last week they could barely type up a response and post it quick enough. Some poster’s were really getting on their high horses. They were suggesting an immediate citing and ban. Didn’t see much about that hit on Ashton though.

Cumbrian wrote:

G2 wrote:Will the Georgian player who led with the knees on Ashtons last try be cited?

It's funny, as soon as some people saw the Lawes incident last week they could barely type up a response and post it quick enough. Some poster’s were really getting on their high horses. They were suggesting an immediate citing and ban. Didn’t see much about that hit on Ashton though.

It's because there are a disproportianate amount of Celts on 606. I'll still support the home nations as always though. What a mug.

EnglishReign wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

G2 wrote:Ashton isn't the only player so far in the RWC to do the swan dive is it only wrong if an English player does it?

It's wrong when any player does it.

Why?

This is not the thread to discuss it. If you want to go through that debate AGAIN, start a new thread. To answer your question I think it's arrogant and disrespectful. Same goes for SBW, Digby Ioane and anyone else who showboats in the same style.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
This is not the thread to discuss it. If you want to go through that debate AGAIN, start a new thread. To answer your question I think it's arrogant and disrespectful. Same goes for SBW, Digby Ioane and anyone else who showboats in the same style.

+1 I thought it was horrible sportsmanship. It's arrogant at the best of times but to do it against a "tier 2" nation when the game is already comfortably in the bag is pretty pathetic too be honest.

On the other point I hate to see players sliding in feet first to prevent a try being scored. It's dangerous play and should be punished with at least a penalty regardless if the try is scored or not.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

Mad for Chelsea wrote:some stats:

England made more offloads than any other team at the WC in this match. To me, it looked like we were sometimes trying a bit too hard to force them, Banahan especially needs to look before off-loading. However it's a positive sign that England are trying to keep the game moving.

England conceded 11 penalties in the first half, just three in the second. Same story as against Argentian last week. Is it that it takes England that long to react to the ref? Do they need to have a man sin-binned before they start cutting it out? Or do they only wake up after a half-time "chat" from MJ?

Simon Shaw led the tackle count in this match with 18 tackles. Impressive stuff from a 38 year-old. Actually thought Shaw was excellent today...

Re the penalty counbt...a lot of it is down to sides coming out of the blocks all guns blazing fighting for every ball against better sides.
Once the game settles down and the weaker side tires they cant force as many penalties.
Everyone knows Englands weakness, they can be bullied off the ball. They play to that, and England respond with slack play and penaltes. They need to sort that out if they are going anywhere.

The penalties England gave away were all in defence. It was cynical and they are lucky that the referee didn't decide to punish them with a number of yellow cards instead of just the one.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

Mad for Chelsea wrote:some stats:

England made more offloads than any other team at the WC in this match. To me, it looked like we were sometimes trying a bit too hard to force them, Banahan especially needs to look before off-loading. However it's a positive sign that England are trying to keep the game moving.

England conceded 11 penalties in the first half, just three in the second. Same story as against Argentian last week. Is it that it takes England that long to react to the ref? Do they need to have a man sin-binned before they start cutting it out? Or do they only wake up after a half-time "chat" from MJ?

Simon Shaw led the tackle count in this match with 18 tackles. Impressive stuff from a 38 year-old. Actually thought Shaw was excellent today...

Re the penalty counbt...a lot of it is down to sides coming out of the blocks all guns blazing fighting for every ball against better sides.
Once the game settles down and the weaker side tires they cant force as many penalties.
Everyone knows Englands weakness, they can be bullied off the ball. They play to that, and England respond with slack play and penaltes. They need to sort that out if they are going anywhere.

so true and yet they have forwards that should be up to that physical challenge. It's been a problem as long as Wells has been coaching forwards, regardless of head coach. I don't think it'll irmprove until he's gone some day (maybe after this WC?).

There was a time that was one area Eng didn't fail.

roddersm wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
This is not the thread to discuss it. If you want to go through that debate AGAIN, start a new thread. To answer your question I think it's arrogant and disrespectful. Same goes for SBW, Digby Ioane and anyone else who showboats in the same style.

+1 I thought it was horrible sportsmanship. It's arrogant at the best of times but to do it against a "tier 2" nation when the game is already comfortably in the bag is pretty pathetic too be honest.

On the other point I hate to see players sliding in feet first to prevent a try being scored. It's dangerous play and should be punished with at least a penalty regardless if the try is scored or not.

I would deem it more disrespectful if he didn't do it against the tier 2 nations. He's happy to score a try, so what? And he celebrates a try in the same way, whether it's against Georgia with the game in the bag or if it's 15 minutes into the opening Six Nations game against Wales.

why do we not have the same kindness toward eng that we all extended to our celtic brethren yesterday?

i reckon we should all be friends myself.

Blimey, there are a LOT of bitter Welsh posters on here. It's just like old 606. Nasty, vindictive posting showing a real lack of class. Shame on you!

SafeAsMilk wrote:Blimey, there are a LOT of bitter Welsh posters on here. It's just like old 606. Nasty, vindictive posting showing a real lack of class. Shame on you!

If you are refering to me I'll address some points,

1. I'm not Welsh, I'm Scottish.
2. I certainly would not want England to win if it was detrimental to my own countries chances of qualification. That would just be stupidity on my part.

trebellbobaggins wrote:why do we not have the same kindness toward eng that we all extended to our celtic brethren yesterday?

i reckon we should all be friends myself.

Bless you sir,

trebellbobaggins wrote:why do we not have the same kindness toward eng that we all extended to our celtic brethren yesterday?

i reckon we should all be friends myself.

You've always got respect and support in my house.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:Blimey, there are a LOT of bitter Welsh posters on here. It's just like old 606. Nasty, vindictive posting showing a real lack of class. Shame on you!

If you are refering to me I'll address some points,

1. I'm not Welsh, I'm Scottish.
2. I certainly would not want England to win if it was detrimental to my own countries chances of qualification. That would just be stupidity on my part.

Nope, not referring to you, old fruit.

Seems to be a lot of English hate going on here, and I don't really know why. I save that for when we play against them!

Anyway, I thought that England did well to score a bonus point win, but the scoreline was flattering. Still work to do there.

Just got back in from the pub, felt like a very naughty boy having a large vodka & tonic for breakfast at 6.50am - honest.

Special mention to Cari, Maesteg and Cymroglan for keeping the thread going in the abscence of England fans and well played Wales this morning - although I was a bit miffed with the missed conversion at the end as I had Wales by 9 on SportGuru.

Maesteg, some fine summing up regarding England's shortcomings at the breakdown, it's never been the same since Hill, Back & Dallaglio.

Just before I nip off to me cot for a kip, I would like to leave you with this.

Hartley, yes I know you were on your feet contesting the ball at a ruck, and I know you may feel that this can be interpreted as a fair play, however, when Kaplan is shouting "no hands" repeatedly into your right hearing hole, GET YER FECKIN HANDS OFF THE FECKIN BALL!!!!! Muppet.

Thanks.

...keeping the thread going in the abscence of England fans...

chuckle. Watched the game with friends and cooked breakfast. Would not have been polite to be tapping away at the keyboard, burning the venison sausages and ignoring my guests!

My 1st XV back line would now be Youngs, Wilkinson, Tuilagi, Tindall and back three Ashton Foden Armitage. In the pack, Shaw gets the nod, as do Thommo and Cole. Still not sure about the rest.

Im not so convinced that Shaw woulod bve as effective against a faster more mobile side, but in the basence of Lawes its hard to argue against him starting in the "first choice" side.
Armitage has done enough to keep his place in the side when Cuetos available again. England look sharper with Youngs. With Moody back in the side Hape is an option, but I doubt very much Johnson would go wthout Wilkisnon and Tindal leaving Flood as the most experienced back. Hartley hasnt done is battle with Thompson any favours.

How much better did Flood look with quicker ball (no Easter) and some direct running outside him! Decent day with the boot as well. I'd play Wilko against Romania, then bring back Flood for Scotland.

Whether it was down to him or the backs coaching, the moves he was executing were still way too telegraphed though, you could spot which of the runners he was going to a mile off.

niwatts wrote:Whether it was down to him or the backs coaching, the moves he was executing were still way too telegraphed though, you could spot which of the runners he was going to a mile off.

Just as well the georgian defence couldnt though eh

I would have said they did for the most part actually. The only move that worked and the only try of the six Flood had any involvement in was the Tuilagi one.