Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu

Having some fun on twitter

http://twitter.com/#!/Eliota_Sapolu

Bloody Nora, some fun indeed. Dare I ask if he's got a point in there somewhere?

Someone needs a nap

Oh he's a happy bunny then.

I think comparing the schedules to apartheid and The Holocaust is very ignorant and ridiculous of him. He's just made himself look like a tool and a bad loser.

I suspect the comment will be removed when he gets up the next morning...

I think he possibly does have a point, he has just gone about expressing it in a terrible terrible way.

He's also confirmed why players stay away from social networking during important tournaments, and why you shouldn't post on them when you're in a bad mood/tired/emotional/drunk...it's quite funny really

Wether he has a point or not, he crossed the line. firstly, he should bring that up with the irb, not on twitter. Secondly, comparing it to the holocaust just shows how ignorant and/or thick he is, as well as obviously a bad loser.

Players should stay away from social networking full stop. Most of them aren't intelligent to avoid the obvious pitfalls. Having said that, anyone who follows their twaddle on Twitter is just as bad!

He does have a point about the scheduling but lets be totally honest here, Samoa didnt need to pick their first team against Namibia, they do have a lot of depth and a lot of experienced players.
They could of brought players off at half time after they had beaten Namibia, to rest them, but they chose not to, that is the fault of their coaching team, and Wales didn't make the scheduling for the World Cup, the IRB did, so there is no point in having a go at Wales.

Also it's fair to say Wales V South Africa was far, far more physical than Samoa V Namibia and would of taken far more out of Wales players than Samoas.

Yeah, even as a Glos fan gotta say, what an idiot. Not the first time either...

AlynDavies wrote:They could of brought players off at half time after they had beaten Namibia, to rest them, but they chose not to, that is the fault of their coaching team, and Wales didn't make the scheduling for the World Cup, the IRB did, so there is no point in having a go at Wales.

He isn't having a go at Wales is he? I thought it's fairly explicitly directed at the IRB.

robbo277 wrote:He isn't having a go at Wales is he? I thought it's fairly explicitly directed at the IRB.

Possibly but an element to his tone suggests he blames Wales because we managed to be an automatic qualifier, where as Samoa had to qualify so got a tougher time in the fixtures.

I don't think Samoa lost today because of the Namibia game they played 4 days ago though., they looked fit and physical for the entire game.

Debateable, only having a 3 day rest is going to have a heavy impact on your final quarter, and having twice as long would have given a chance for their injured players to recover. Pisi was a big loss for them, a key director of their play and their best kicker (he only missed 1 kick from 9 against Namibia, they had 50% success rate today and just stopped going for points after Williams racked up misses), by the end they were playing a SH at 10.

They didn't have to play their first team against Namibia, but you can't expect a team to perform in a the key big day match without having had a warm up game (their previous game was 2 months ago), and they did use all but 2 of their subs by the 50 min mark, all of them by 60 mins.

Doesn't excuse some of the language in his outburts though.

Yes but we go back to the question?
Did Samoa really need to put their strongest team out against Namibia knowing they had a do or die game against Wales a few days later?
The bottom line is that they have decent depth and any 15 selected from their 30 man squad should probably of beaten Namibia easily.

You miss the point of what I said, the selection wasn't about beating Namibia. You can't expect players to perform to the highest level (which was what would have been needed to beat Wales) if they haven't had a warm up run out first, particularly when your oposition have had that opportunity the previous week with a recognised amount of rest inbetween. If they hadn't selected their first choice side for Namibia then the players selected as first choice 4 days later would still have been going in match cold. The IRB forced Samoa to choose between gambling on going into their biggest match comparitively depleted or cold. I think Samoa made the right choice, but it was certainly an unfair handicap.

Unfair treatment, like slavery, like the holocaust, like apartheid.

Lets be clear guys, he's saying the 3 days thing is UNFAIR. He's saying that slavery, the holocaust and apartheid were UNFAIR. He's saying all these things have UNFAIRNESS in common. Which is true.

He doesn't say in equal amounts, he doesn't say by similar motives, or by similarly evil/cynical people.

Stop gettin all PC and high and mighty and try understanding this is a regular guy trying to convey how upset he is. And this shows how much it means to him. Thing about twitter is, you don't see on his page all the torrent of abuse he recieves in return. You only see what he says in response.

Also, he's totally right to be annoyed. 3 days rest is ridiculous especially for a team with far lesser professionals involved and probably an inadeqaute pre tournament setup due to financial reasons. IRB should be trying to cut them slack, rather than Wales.

Also, for the record, Shane Williams try was a bloody fluke. Horrendous pass, and the Samoan had th man marked who was surely meant to recieve the pass. i've never seen a flukier bounce up into shane williams hands.

You have to feel for Samoa.

Clive - The Holocaust and Apartheid go beyond "unfairness". They are the epitome of human cruelty and oppression...rugby scheduling is not!

Like I said, Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu wasn't comparing their human cruelty and oppression, he was comparing unjustness. Actually... I can't be bothered... I'm just gona quote myself again, you clearly didnt read, or werent thinking when reading...

Lets be clear guys, he's saying the 3 days thing is UNFAIR. He's saying that slavery, the holocaust and apartheid were UNFAIR. He's saying all these things have UNFAIRNESS in common. Which is true.

He doesn't say in equal amounts, he doesn't say by similar motives, or by similarly evil/cynical people.

Seriously people, we all know he has a point, we know he's understandably upset, we know he probably wouldn't intentionally want to undermine the calousness of slavery, the holocaust and apartheid.

So why must we punish someone and hate him rather than empathising.

It sickens me how much judgement is in the world today. How about being reasonable and looking for best case scenarious.

clivemcl so you think it's Wales fault ? are Wales the only side to have a week off then.

Cymroglan wrote:clivemcl so you think it's Wales fault ? are Wales the only side to have a week off then.

Not unless Wales made up the schedule, did they?

EFS isn't going away, he's posted again in the last 10 minutes or so and there is no apology or retraction of statements.

Okay, firstly he is not having a go at Wales. Wales did not make the schedule. He is having a go at the IRB.

Secondly, he has a point. The lower-seeded teams get the least recovery time, by and large. Surely the teams with bigger squads should have less breaks? This would level the playing field, make winning a World Cup a bigger challenge, and make the pool stage less predictable.

Thirdly, he is making his point is a pretty immature, over the top and stupid way and probably needs a coach or a senior player to take his phone/computer off him and tell him to go have a cold shower!

robbo277 wrote:EFS isn't going away, he's posted again in the last 10 minutes or so and there is no apology or retraction of statements.

You're only looking at one end of the conversation, remember that. To give full context you should read the replies he's been getting.

Obviously they did not but your little rant about Shane and the try made you seem bitter towards Wales and I was wondering if you felt that Wales had some hand in fixing the schedule.
This is the first time I heard anybody mention any irregularities regarding the try I shall have another look at it.
And I shall read the posts again just to see if anybody had said that Samoa should not have had more days off.

Cari wrote:Clive - The Holocaust and Apartheid go beyond "unfairness". They are the epitome of human cruelty and oppression...rugby scheduling is not!

Yeah, he's a bit of a tool with that comment. Needs to learn the difference between sport and real life.

Truth is, he's getting trolled on twitter and is reacting the wrong way completely.

Notch wrote:

robbo277 wrote:EFS isn't going away, he's posted again in the last 10 minutes or so and there is no apology or retraction of statements.

You're only looking at one end of the conversation, remember that. To give full context you should read the replies he's been getting.

Fully understand that. I'm not having a go at the bloke, I'm just saying it wasn't just heat of the moment stuff when he got off the pitch.

He seems immature and angry, but not like a bad guy. That said, somebody needs to take his phone off him and give him a bollocking about keeping certain things in the dressing room!

Question .... How do we know it's him ? I don't use Twitter so I'm not sure if fake accounts exist on there.

Yeah, fake accounts exist but it's pretty easy to figure out which ones are real and which aren't. Normally if there is a genuine impostor they'll be able to deal with it. Joke accounts are allowed.

There's pretty funny fake Gavin Henson twitter page, rumoured to be set up by some of the ospreys players! It's easy to do.

I heard some celebrity mention that someone set up a fake twitter account of them, and twitter contacted them to ask if he wanted it taken down. If it's not his genuine account, it's the longest prank ever, as the account has been up for a while.

I think it's genuine. Started off annoyed. Sounds (reads?) like people responded quick strongly. And then it escalated to the daft slavery stuff.

I say well done to the op for spelling his name correctly

Why were there no games last Monday or Tues? Samoa could've played then, surely? It is ridiculous that they only had 3 days rest, but surely they should've complained before the game, not just after losing. Just looks like sour grapes.

At least he addressed @mattdaave with a constructive comment. lolz.

Notch - if he's getting trolled, he might want to remove his account for a while. I know of a couple of other internationals who had similar bother, and rather than react on Twitter, they temporarily closed their accounts and it seemed to work because their genuine fans got cheesed off with them not posting and the trolls gave up.

EnglishReign wrote:Why were there no games last Monday or Tues? Samoa could've played then, surely? It is ridiculous that they only had 3 days rest, but surely they should've complained before the game, not just after losing. Just looks like sour grapes.

It's just his views, not the views of Samoan rugby or his teammates even. They may well have complained before the game. Maybe a lot of minnows have, I don't know.

EnglishReign wrote:Why were there no games last Monday or Tues? Samoa could've played then, surely? It is ridiculous that they only had 3 days rest, but surely they should've complained before the game, not just after losing. Just looks like sour grapes.

At least he addressed @mattdaave with a constructive comment. lolz.

Namibia played on Saturday, so they wouldn't be able to have played Monday or Tuesday as well.

I thought whoever told him he had plenty of rest because he was on the bench was funny though .and i think calling someone a c*** is a bad move. I was going to point out that he should be angry with the prop that did a double movement on the welsh line as that quite pozssibly cost them the game ---- but thought better of it

Yeah sorry, I'm sure the rest of the Samoan team isn't that enraged by it. And of course, forgot about Namibia playing Saturday.

Scrolling down he says "Give Wales 3 days off, and give Samoa a week!! We would kill them!!!"

and about the Ireland game "Eff this bs!! If that was a Samoan who did that to Beale he would have got a red card! C'mon IRB this is bs!"

Controversial.

Its jobs for the boys really and a bit of a shame... not only do the smaller nations having to play fully professional and well subsidised teams with minimal resources.... they also get match scheduling which benefits the tier 1 sides the most.

We may be given the reason of TV scheduling but if this is meant to be a far competition then all should be treated the fair.

I have heard a lot of teams mention the very same issue not only in this world cup but in previous world cups also... the coach of the USA after the tonga match voiced similar concerns.

Personally I would compare it to teams fielding players who are taking performance enhancing drugs... its unfair. It doesn't happen in the FIFA world cup or the olympics... so why the RWC? Jobs for the boys.

Why all this now ? how long has the schedule been announced.
The game is over it's too late to do anything about it.
Come on guys you would not complain if your opposition had little rest.

He's gots a fair point .he's lacking a lot of finesse in getting it across but its a fair point all the same. Wales get a full on week to rest when the Samoans get 3 days .Yes i see the equality in all that especially considering this was a crucial game for both sides WC chances .

On a side note its good to see players vent without fear of the repucussions (he will most certainly be banned in the upcoming week) .Banning him will just make his point more relevant by the way so going to be interesting to see how the IRB responds to this

He does have a point. Maybe expressing it in a misguided way but he is right. Samoa should have been invited into the tri nations. Maybe SANZAR would be too worried about them.

mckay1402 wrote:He does have a point. Maybe expressing it in a misguided way but he is right. Samoa should have been invited into the tri nations. Maybe SANZAR would be too worried about them.

I for one would welcome that , the perfect situation would be a SH comp of SA ,NZ,Aus ,Samoa ,Arg,Fiji to form our own 6N. We already have some pacific Islanders in Super rugby and if the ones playing in Europe would come represent super teams from their countries then teams like Fiji,Samoa,Arg wouldnt have to worry bout french clubs refusing to release their players .

Let the comp run for a few years then start looking at building a SH touring team ala Lions .

Bullsbok wrote:

mckay1402 wrote:He does have a point. Maybe expressing it in a misguided way but he is right. Samoa should have been invited into the tri nations. Maybe SANZAR would be too worried about them.

I for one would welcome that , the perfect situation would be a SH comp of SA ,NZ,Aus ,Samoa ,Arg,Fiji to form our own 6N. We already have some pacific Islanders in Super rugby and if the ones playing in Europe would come represent super teams from their countries then teams like Fiji,Samoa,Arg wouldnt have to worry bout french clubs refusing to release their players .

Let the comp run for a few years then start looking at building a SH touring team ala Lions .

that is what should happen but it won't and if it did the NH would have no chance

What's he moaning about.

Samoa had the ref on their side all game so that evens things up.

Clancy must have been looking for relatives in the crowd everytime Samoa came flying in to a ruck of their feet, or were offside or joined a ruck in front of the back feet.

true but whats done is done, i can understand his anger but the fact that he is complaining after the game and with that kind of language shows that he is a sore loser and means whatever points he made however valid they may have been his complete lack of finesse means he looks like a complete fool

1. If it is him he has a point but he has made it , ahem, poorly.
2. He will deffo get his 7 days of rest off now!

Pretty sure the IRB will be drawing up his citation as we speak

doctornickolas wrote:What's he moaning about.

Samoa had the ref on their side all game so that evens things up.

Clancy must have been looking for relatives in the crowd everytime Samoa came flying in to a ruck of their feet, or were offside or joined a ruck in front of the back feet.

yeah the ref was appalling. Wheres grey ghost when you need him? hardly anyone has mentioned how bad the ref was...

the ref was roland wasnt it?

and i agree he was terrible not just with samoa at the breakdown but itn the set piece,

we have a scrum that goes 5 yards forward then turns as the front rows stand up and he tells us 'we must use it' rather than penalises the samoans for wheeling and standing up

we were not allowed to drive a lineout today everytime we did the samoans stood off and then it was 'blocking' this law needs clarification!