The ABE test.

by Portnoy Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:10 pm

ABE (anyone but England).

Just respond honestly.

by D24tress Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:14 pm

I'm celtic and would prefer any celtic team to when over them.
However i would support england against the 3n and france

by Effervescing Elephant Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:16 pm

D24tress wrote:I'm celtic and would prefer any celtic team to when over them.
However i would support england against the 3n and france

Can't ask anymore than that. Perfectly fair outlook.

by red_stag Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:16 pm

I find the notion of being labelled "Celtic" actually insulting. However I am Irish and couldn't really care if England won or lost.

by BlueMuff Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:18 pm

red_stag wrote:I find the notion of being labelled "Celtic" actually insulting. However I am Irish and couldn't really care if England won or lost.

+1

Irish and couldnt care less or more about England than Wales or Scotland.

by greybeard Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:21 pm

Portnoy wrote:Just respond honestly.

Ok, as soon as you add "I find your persecution complex quite funny and will vote for whichever upsets you and/or reinforces your paranoia the most" I'll be happy to vote.

by Boyne Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:21 pm

I always shout for the underdog.

by Portnoy Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:22 pm

red_stag wrote:I find the notion of being labelled "Celtic" actually insulting. However I am Irish and couldn't really care if England won or lost.

So just vote or don't Staggy.

What's the problem being described as Celtic?

I'm learning stuff by the day.

by Boyne Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:23 pm

Portnoy wrote:
red_stag wrote:I find the notion of being labelled "Celtic" actually insulting. However I am Irish and couldn't really care if England won or lost.

So just vote or don't Staggy.

What's the problem being described as Celtic?

I'm learning stuff by the day.

I resent the Celtic label as well actually. It means nothing to Irish people. Its usually used by the English to lump Scots Irish and Welsh into the one bucket.

Or used by the (mostly) Welsh and Scots (less so) to coat tail Irish successes.

by Mickado Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:24 pm

I find being called Celtic no more insulting than being called European, but I identify with neither of them. I haven’t voted because I don’t fall into any of the categories. It all depends who’s playing, who’s the underdog etc.

by Boyne Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:24 pm

........I guess being an independent country has something to do with it.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:24 pm

I'm Welsh and I want to see good rugby being played. If it's Wales playing it, all the better, but otherwise I don't mind who it is.

by Thomond Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:24 pm

Celts aren't really a group of people anymore are they? As Boyne said,it's a term used to lump the Scots,Welsh and Irish together.

by Metal Tiger Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:25 pm

Afternoon all...

Try as I might to resist joining v2 after 606 shut down, here I am, doing it all again.

Fantastic to see many familiar names already... I have even missed the continual Wumming from 606 too. How's me old mate TGG? Still frothing?

I'm English so naturally want England win, but will always show appreciation and applaud good play from whoever.

Was actually cheering Wales on against SA and Scotland against Argentina so I don't think I am too one eyed.

by **rodders** Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:27 pm

I don't think I'd go as far as saying I'm an ABE supporter but would definitely support the other Celts against England most of the time. Being from Ulster I feel the closest affinity with the Scots out of the other home nations and lived in N Wales for a while and although I love it when we beat the Welsh I generally support them against England. I've nothing against England personally but I enjoy the rivalry with them and the banter when they lose Wink

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by Boyne Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:29 pm

Portnoy's complaint, you see allot more people would like England if it werent for your media.

England fans are great, its just your media and papers are revoltingly one sided and lack any objectivity.

It's actually quite sickening to listen to ITV.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:29 pm

Thomond wrote:Celts aren't really a group of people anymore are they?

The Celts were never really that much of a group. Even linguistically they're divided into p-Goidelic (Welsh, Cornish, Breton) and c-Goidelic (Irish, Scots Gaelic, Manx).

by eirebilly Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:32 pm

I am Irish and am also a bit fed up with this Celtic label. Whats with this attitude by some that 'celtic' people want England beaten? Its really getting pathetic.

May the best team win i say.

by **rodders** Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:34 pm

Didn't a recent genetic study show that the majority of English people were actually Celts anyway as opposed to anglo saxons?

by Portnoy Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:38 pm

Boyne wrote:Portnoy's complaint, you see allot more people would like England if it werent for your media.

England fans are great, its just your media and papers are revoltingly one sided and lack any objectivity.

It's actually quite sickening to listen to ITV.

I have to say that the English media is pretty sickening (particularly Sky Rugby).

But then I have also dipped into the Irish Independent, the Western Mail, Scrum V etc. and find no solace there either. thumbsup

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:39 pm

You've read the Western Mail, Portnoy? You have my deepest sympathy!

by greybeard Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:39 pm

Being called a celt doesn't bother me at all.

Well fancy that, not all of us are in agreement about the term. It's amazing we can all come together under the ABE umbrella. What a truly unifying experience!

by robbo277 Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:40 pm

I'm an England fan and support England first and foremost. After then, I'm as pragmatic as I can with my support. What result will best help England? If the match will have no effect on England I move on to supporting who I picked to win on SportsGuru.

Canada are my least favourite team now, because I was doing an accumulator on every game of the World Cup and they ruined it by beating Tonga (same reason Murray is by least favourite tennis player). Anyone But Canada (and Murray).

by screamingaddabs Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:41 pm

Was the "Celtic tiger" an English press thing? I never knew anyone was particularly insulted by being called celtic. Except Rangers fans of course Wink

by Portnoy Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:46 pm

luckless_pedestrian wrote:You've read the Western Mail, Portnoy? You have my deepest sympathy!

Grossly, deeply shockingly rubbish isn't it - especially on the rugby front.

Makes most of the English media look entirely moderate.

Still that's the cross the English have to bear for being the root of all evil on these isles.

by BlueMuff Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:47 pm

Mickado wrote:I find being called Celtic no more insulting than being called European, but I identify with neither of them. I haven’t voted because I don’t fall into any of the categories. It all depends who’s playing, who’s the underdog etc.

Really Im Irish but Im also most definitely European.

by Cari Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:54 pm

I can think of worse names beginning with C to be called than Celt...just saying... Very Happy

by Portnoy Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:57 pm

IRISHMEN RESENT CELTIC TAG IN ANTI_ENGLISH DEBATE

Shock Horror.

You know what? I don't believe you.

The metaphoric Celtic flag will be be re-raised at the the earliest convenience.

by BlueMuff Thu 29 Sep 2011, 1:58 pm

Cari wrote:I can think of worse names beginning with C to be called than Celt...just saying...

Clown????

by Feckless Rogue Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:08 pm

I've never come across anyone who finds the term Celt insulting before. That's a bit strange stag.

I'm Irish and I do like to see England lose. I'm not sure why. Maybe the centuries and centuries of oppression?

by Portnoy Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:10 pm

Cari wrote:I can think of worse names beginning with C to be called than Celt...just saying...

I know Cari.

Just saying...

Only the difference is that I just speak my mind without reverting to thinly or overtly disguised personal attacks.

Excepting this one.

by eirebilly Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:10 pm

Portnoy wrote:IRISHMEN RESENT CELTIC TAG IN ANTI_ENGLISH DEBATE

Shock Horror.

You know what? I don't believe you.

The metaphoric Celtic flag will be be re-raised at the the earliest convenience.

Can you tell me what the point to all this is and what is the point od such a post?
You do realise that you are coming across like someone with a real chip on their shoulder?

by Metal Tiger Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:13 pm

roddersm wrote:Didn't a recent genetic study show that the majority of English people were actually Celts anyway as opposed to anglo saxons?

Yeah I remember that one too.

Went something along the lines of 80% showed some celtic heritage, 19% showing Saxon, Roman & Viking,the remaining 1% is other. The borders of those groups is also very blurred as most people have mixed heritages.

I guess the story here is that before the romans showed up and "created" Eng, Ire, Scot & Wales we were all a mixture of celtic/gaelic tribes covering the whole of the islands and quite content killing each other. boxing

over turnips and sacred trees.

Not like now is it kiss

by **rodders** Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:20 pm

Metal Tiger wrote:
Went something along the lines of 80% showed some celtic heritage, 19% showing Saxon, Roman & Viking,the remaining 1% is other. The borders of those groups is also very blurred as most people have mixed heritages.

So in fact what Portnoy is suggesting is that 80% of English people are ABE? Wink

by eirebilly Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:23 pm

I really give on things like this. This whole article is designed to try and rile Irish people up into an anti England rant. Well guess what, massive fail.

by Portnoy Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:29 pm

Apart from the fact that I support Irish rugby and pretty much always have (along with the French).

I think that you misconstrue me. I'm trying to assess the ABE opinion. I was just alarmed that some Irish punters seem to not to want to be included under the Celtic banner.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:31 pm

Paranoia at its best

by Portnoy Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:34 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Paranoia at its best

Celtic or English (or both) As?

Please specify.

by Boyne Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:46 pm

We are all God's children.

by Cari Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:48 pm

Boyne - yeah I'm an Earthling too. Any alien supporters here?

by **rodders** Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:49 pm

Boyne wrote:We are all God's children.

Unless you play rugby on a sunday.

by greybeard Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:49 pm

Portnoy wrote:
Cari wrote:I can think of worse names beginning with C to be called than Celt...just saying...

I know Cari.

Just saying...

Only the difference is that I just speak my mind without reverting to thinly or overtly disguised personal attacks.

Excepting this one.

Apart from that time you insulted everyone who posts in the virtual pub, accusing them of be self serving and snobs.

You confuse 'plain speaking' with being just plain rude.

by red_stag Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:51 pm

Portnoy I have voted. I picked "I'm Celtic and would prefer the best team to win irrespective"

However I find the term "Celtic" is dismissive which dilutes my countries achievements. I used get sick to death of hearing on old 606 about how "Celtic" teams had won X amount of Grandslams and Heineken Cups and all that.

We have a domestic league together with Wales, Italy and Scotland but I'd ask not to be labelled as a "Celt".

I have no more affiliation with Wales or Scotland than with France or England. If Ireland didn't win the 6 Nations this year I was glad it was England. I think there is an Anyone But England attitude amongst many fans and a strong English side is in some ways very good for Northern Hemisphere rugby.

by greybeard Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:55 pm

I understand your point, stag, but I don't see anything wrong with the term celt.

From a points scoring perspective on achievements, you're right, but we all do that to some extent (even going as far as celebrating an NH rugby victory over the SH... that's stretching things a little, isn't it?)

by **rodders** Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:56 pm

red_stag wrote:
We have a domestic league together with Wales, Italy and Scotland but I'd ask not to be labelled as a "Celt".

Ah you mean the Celtic League? Whistle

by Glas a du Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:56 pm

2 teams - Wales and whoever is playing England. Although I find that is really hard when it's NZ or SA playing England in which case I'm ambivalent.

by red_stag Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:57 pm

Grey, I know its not meant as offensive or anything just a term I don't buy into it. I like the underdog to win but I don't do the NH or SH thing either. I like New Zealand and would be quite happy for them to beat France or England in a knockout match. On the other hand I'm not a fan of this SA team and would prefer another team to beat them. In a few years that may all change.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:58 pm

No, they've changed the name now, Rodders - it's the Charles Rennie Mackintosh Magnificent 7 League this season.

by red_stag Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:58 pm

roddersm wrote:
red_stag wrote:
We have a domestic league together with Wales, Italy and Scotland but I'd ask not to be labelled as a "Celt".

Ah you mean the Celtic League?

I mean the Pro 12 The ABE test. 1479719350

by red_stag Thu 29 Sep 2011, 2:58 pm

luckless_pedestrian wrote:No, they've changed the name now, Rodders - it's the Charles Rennie Mackintosh Magnificent 7 League this season.

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