Cotton criticises Johnson and Tindall

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/15286104.stm

'Former England captain Fran Cotton has criticised Mike Tindall and Martin Johnson after being appointed to head a review of the Rugby Football Union.

Cotton, who is chairing an independent review of the entire England structure, singled out Tindall for getting "absolutely hammered" on a night out.

He said: "That is not part of an athlete's lifestyle. What example does that set to the younger players?"

Of Johnson, he added: "I've not seen an improvement in three-and-a-half years."'

Isn't Fran a girl's name?

TheGreyGhost wrote:Isn't Fran a girl's name?

Good one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis

TheGreyGhost wrote:Isn't Fran a girl's name?

Nope, but Cory Jane is.

SafeAsMilk wrote:

TheGreyGhost wrote:Isn't Fran a girl's name?

Nope, but Cory Jane is.

And Israel Dagg? Surely that's just a country's name.

SafeAsMilk wrote:

TheGreyGhost wrote:Isn't Fran a girl's name?

Nope, but Cory Jane is.

owned

GreyGhost is a Ti t's name isn't it?

If he hasnt seen an improvement since 2008 I dont know what hes been watching. The off the field behaviour was worse on that tour.

C'mon Fran Cotton, it sounds like budget sanitary protection.

Tindall wasn't the worst one that night. Why was Ashton wearing a 1980's woman's top?

You spelt the name wrong, but I still don't know why Fearne Cotton is getting involved.

EnglishReign wrote:You spelt the name wrong, but I still don't know why Fearne Cotton is getting involved.

The review is going include someone with "no connections with rugby" on the three person panel. Perhaps the RFU have appointed Fearne Cotton to that role. Not a bad call really.

funnyExiledScot wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:You spelt the name wrong, but I still don't know why Fearne Cotton is getting involved.

The review is going include someone with "no connections with rugby" on the three person panel. Perhaps the RFU have appointed Fearne Cotton to that role. Not a bad call really.

That Sonia lass off the BBC will be livid when she finds out she missed out on the gig

damage_13 wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:

TheGreyGhost wrote:Isn't Fran a girl's name?

Nope, but Cory Jane is.

owned

+1

Bitter Beer wrote:

damage_13 wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:

TheGreyGhost wrote:Isn't Fran a girl's name?

Nope, but Cory Jane is.

owned

+1

According to Wikipedia, Cory is both a girls and boys name. The only reference I can find to "Fran" is under "Cute Baby Girl's Names", with a warning that you should remember your baby girl will one day grow up and want an adult name.

Of Johnson, he added: "I've not seen an improvement in three-and-a-half years."

He's missed the two wins over OZ and the 6Ns win then. It's been a tough old time for England but there has been an improvement. Most realistic England fans knew this tournament was coming to early and the injury to Sheridan hurt us.

I agree, there has been some improvement under Johnson and the squad is better than it was when he started.

I don't think there's been enough though to justify his continuation, and in my view he was never the right appointment. The selection errors before and during this World Cup campaign were unforgivable at international level. I don't think a top class experienced coach/manager would have made such mistakes.

Still, whether you agree with Cotton or not, it sounds like he's going along the right lines. Wholesale changes are needed, starting with the top and working downwards. Get the right men involved and give them 4 years. No silly targets, no interim appointments and no politics. Fresh start needed.

Well it's good to see that the guy heading the review isn't jumping to any firm conclusions.

TheGreyGhost wrote:

Bitter Beer wrote:

damage_13 wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:

TheGreyGhost wrote:Isn't Fran a girl's name?

Nope, but Cory Jane is.

owned

+1

According to Wikipedia, Cory is both a girls and boys name. The only reference I can find to "Fran" is under "Cute Baby Girl's Names", with a warning that you should remember your baby girl will one day grow up and want an adult name.

Francis---boy, Frances--- girl, which way does Fran spell his name?

As for a review, it should be of the whole of English rugby, not narrowly on the rwc, there are wider issues than the rwc.

The OP wrote "....Cotton, who is chairing an independent review of the entire England structure, singled out Tindall for getting "absolutely hammered" on a night out...."

Doesn't sound very 'independent' to me. Sounds more like the Spanish Inquisition than an independent review. Tindall should plead guilty now and save the train fare.

I think 'cory' was also slang for a knob.

This from a side managed by Johnson

TheGreyGhost wrote:This from a side managed by Johnson

well what do you expect

I think we should hold a revue of England posters on 606v2

tomathy wrote:
And Israel Dagg? Surely that's just a country's name.

As far as I'm aware a dagg is the bit of crap covered wool that hangs off a sheep's backside

Draw your own conclusions

Aren't there posting standards for moderators?

Gatts wrote:

TheGreyGhost wrote:This from a side managed by Johnson

well what do you expect

I think we should hold a revue of England posters on 606v2

What do i expect? Better spelling young man. Maybe we should hold a 'revue' of Welsh posters spelling.

Cheap shot but you reap what you sow Gatts!

I think you've missed a joke there Hood.

TheGreyGhost wrote:I think you've missed a joke there Hood.

I think you're right, damn it!

You see, I didn't quote you, so that you can pop in and have another go when no one is looking...

I've not seen an improvement in English posters since 606v2 opened and Hersh was allowed to retain his position as chief WUM. I think a hearing might be in order, when's everyone free?

Cotton is way off about Johnson's success rate, yet spot on about Tindall. I will really never understand why people are letting a national captain off so lightly over these types of actions. I don't know what's worse, that or the fact that he first tried to conceal it, in other words run and hide from the responsibility required of his position, and is now among most of his team in trying to evade and wave away criticism. That attitude will get them nowhere.

Hood83 wrote:

TheGreyGhost wrote:I think you've missed a joke there Hood.

I think you're right, damn it!

Ah, young Hood.

Told you we need a revue of you English types.

Twas a play on words, 'revue' suggesting a comically musical extravaganza full of drama, tears and icecream....as opposed to 'review' which one would expect to occur after an organisation had effectively gone into meltdown.

Pretty sure we know which type the IRB will be!

Davie wrote:

tomathy wrote:
And Israel Dagg? Surely that's just a country's name.

As far as I'm aware a dagg is the bit of crap covered wool that hangs off a sheep's backside

Draw your own conclusions

Hey. You are absolutely right. Literally the daggs are the dirty things hanging off the backside of sheep (or maybe includes other animals as well). What a crappy name.

Gatts wrote:

Hood83 wrote:

TheGreyGhost wrote:I think you've missed a joke there Hood.

I think you're right, damn it!

Ah, young Hood.

Told you we need a revue of you English types.

Twas a play on words, 'revue' suggesting a comically musical extravaganza full of drama, tears and icecream....as opposed to 'review' which one would expect to occur after an organisation had effectively gone into meltdown.

Pretty sure we know which type the IRB will be!

I'm not sure it made sense entirely, but hats off to you anyway. And a revue would be a much better description of English rugby. A review of the revue perhaps?

I'll put myself back in the box.

doctor_grey wrote:

Davie wrote:

tomathy wrote:
And Israel Dagg? Surely that's just a country's name.

As far as I'm aware a dagg is the bit of crap covered wool that hangs off a sheep's backside

Draw your own conclusions

Hey. You are absolutely right. Literally the daggs are the dirty things hanging off the backside of sheep (or maybe includes other animals as well). What a crappy name.

Wasn't 'daggy' Aussie slang in the 90s for 'rubbish'. I get this from Neighbours of course.

How's it a review if he's already made his mind up before the review even starts!

It's a review of his conclusions then?!

Dagg was also the name given to a black oil used to clean/lubricate electromechanical equipment.

"Wasn't 'daggy' Aussie slang in the 90s for 'rubbish'. I get this from Neighbours of course."

Cheers for the nostalgia injection.

Just for the anoraks out there...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dag_(subculture)

i see Mark McCafferty has come out and criticised this "independent review". At least someone is talking sense.

Not sure how this review is going to be independent when cotton has come to his conclusion even before there first meet.

When i hear his name all i can think of is Snatch

Fran short for Francis

like, Francis Drake

Why is Fern Cotton having a pop at Johnson and England now? Things arent that bad?!

Fran Tarkenton was a co-host of That´s Incredible.

Cory Jane may have a girl´s name but that´s not a girl´s fend he has. He goes out drinking and smoking before a game and then puts in a great performance on the field.

Fran Cotton doesn´t have anything to say about that. If he doesn´t think winning the 6N is an improvement then I´m not sure what he defines as an improvement. Idiotic, tiresome drab from the media. At least the dwarves and Manu overboard were mildly amusing.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:
Cory Jane may have a girl´s name but that´s not a girl´s fend he has. He goes out drinking and smoking before a game and then puts in a great performance on the field..

Shame hes not a girl, sounds like my ideal date

What someone who can fend you away? Each to their own mate.

Maybe Pete likes it when people play 'hard to get'

To be fair, I wouldnt mind trying to get past Ferne Cotton's hand-off.

TheGreyGhost wrote:You see, I didn't quote you, so that you can pop in and have another go when no one is looking...

Appreciated GG but i think that horse has bolted

Hood83 wrote:

TheGreyGhost wrote:You see, I didn't quote you, so that you can pop in and have another go when no one is looking...

Appreciated GG but i think that horse has bolted

No still here, conducting a review