David Haye - A tribute!!

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:36 am

First topic message reminder :

You can count the name of British boxers that have transcended the sport and are known on both sides of the Atlantic on one hand in the last forty years..David Haye without doubt is one of these and I'm sorry people have failed to see the wider picture and are hammering him from pillar to post..

Sure he could've pretended to be nice remember Bruno to Honey "I told him if he acts humble he could make money" or be himself..Me I have more respect for a guy being himself...Heck I didn't much like him either if honest..

However he's one of the greatest British fighters of alltime...he was exciting, talented and brought aestheticity back to the Heavyweight division if only for a short period...

He unified the cruiser (basically) ...became a top 3 cruiser of alltime in my opinion and became one of a handful to mix with men a lot bigger and take home the big prize.....

Yep he cocked up his last fight but how many top fighters leave on a victory???

A great British standard bearer and I'm sorry he's getting the flak he is albeit some of it is deserved!!!..especially toe-gate!

Fighters like Haye don't grow on many British trees....try to appreciate him more....respect what he has achieved..

On a side note mCcrory thinks the Haye performance was calculated and that's okay!! So screwing British fans out of thousands of pounds is okay....Class act!!!

Whatever good luck to Haye........wish him the best for his future..

by tcribb Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:40 pm

One of the worst articles I've read in a long time, I was particulary drawn to the comment that you thought Joe Louis was crude?

Do you know anything dear old son?

The most precise puncher in the history of heavyweight boxing and you mention crude?

Should have your membership revoked from this site for being far too silly.

As for Haye good crusier, extremely average HW as HumanWindmill mentioned no better that Joe Bugner, I'd rather save my praise for gladiators of the sport not a media frenzy joke. , Shame he retired I was quite looking forward to Vitali marmalising him.

by Strongback Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:41 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Nice to see Strongy is on the ball hey!!

I'm tempted to come out of retirement........time doesn't permit though.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:43 pm

Where did I say Louis was crude!!!

D******d!!...Man I hate liars..

Stay in retirement Strongy... Cool

by tcribb Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:47 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'd like to get rid of all the junior divisions.........

I think Louis fought crud but have him second in my heavy list..

You don't like him...you're opinion is as you'll agree.. biased..

Mine isn't..

He's not a great Brit then??????

Undisputed champion who went up and won the heavy crown..

Your Island is full of guys like that..

by Strongback Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:48 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Stay in retirement Strongy...

Remember Arnie's catch phrase. When I decide to battle it will be swift and brutal.

All the same good to see you showing some backbone today for a change.

by rycoys Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:49 pm

great article , i agree haye is not getting the credit he deserves , my fav brittish boxer of all time , was born with boxing talent and used it wisely , 27 bouts , 25 win 23 kos only 2 loses and one was on points to wlad ! not bad ! on another day and fit could have been a different story

!

by tcribb Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:49 pm

Classless Trussman, never mind resorting to playground insults, I guess a d head is better than dumbass though!

Your parents must be proud.

by Scottrf Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:51 pm

tcribb wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'd like to get rid of all the junior divisions.........

I think Louis fought crud but have him second in my heavy list..

You don't like him...you're opinion is as you'll agree.. biased..

Mine isn't..

He's not a great Brit then??????

Undisputed champion who went up and won the heavy crown..

Your Island is full of guys like that..

He's talking about opposition.

by Waingro Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:51 pm

He means that Louis fought alot of bums I think not that Louis was crude. Tbh I think number 2 for Louis is too high though if you he fought bums

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:52 pm

Look I don't like people saying I wrote something when I didn't pal..

Come on show me the post instead of smokescreening with silly abusive stuff..

Then again just run along....you're not worth it!!!

Ha ha ..backbone Strongy.....don't need it for you mate... Cool

by Super D Boon Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:53 pm

I'd like to add my pennies worth to the dispute on whether Haye was undiputed champ or not. For my money he was. If you hold 3 out of 4 world titles than that's undisputed as you hold the lion share of the titles plus you beat the man. Cunningham could not dispute the claim being that he held one title over a man with three - simple. However if Haye only held two then it's disputed because the two other champs combined have an equal case to Haye as being the champ so Haye was only ever unified champ after beating Mormeck, undisputed champ after beating Maccarinelli. There.

by Scottrf Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:55 pm

It's not an opinion thing. He wasn't undisputed. He was unified.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:55 pm

Cheers rycoys.....Mediocrity knows nothing higher...talent recognises genius...!!

Waingro I've always had a problem with Louis opposition it's true...but crude???... never said that as you know....

The guy shouldn't lie and that's that...

No2 at heavy....

by Strongback Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:55 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Ha ha ..backbone Strongy.....don't need it for you mate...

Snakes don't have a backbone either. Never the most trustworthy either.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:56 pm

Like Dorian yates doesn't use the smith machine????

Some people can't be trusted you're right.. Cool

by tcribb Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:57 pm

[quote="Scottrf"][quote="tcribb"]

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'd like to get rid of all the junior divisions.........

I think Louis fought crud but have him second in my heavy list..

You don't like him...you're opinion is as you'll agree.. biased..

Mine isn't..

He's not a great Brit then??????

Undisputed champion who went up and won the heavy crown..

Your Island is full of guys like that..

Thanks Scott, I apologize Trussman, inthought you meant crude, you still deserve a severe dressing down for suggesting Louis opposition wasn't quality.

And you thoughts on Haye are particulary amusing after your article post Wlad fight,

Someone wants some cyber attention I think,

Still a classless goon all the same

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:59 pm

Well we'll just forget about it....

I've already covered the Vlad thing earlier in the thread....

I'm looking at the whole picture...

Look maybe you should jog on...

by **oxring** Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:00 pm

tcribb wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I think Louis fought crud but have him second in my heavy list..

Amazing how such an argument can arise from a simple spelling misunderstanding. Crud - as in rubbish opposition, not crude.

Misunderstanding now explained, keep things clean and decent.

by manos de piedra Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:01 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_undisputed_boxing_champions

by Super D Boon Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:02 pm

Scottrf wrote:It's not an opinion thing. He wasn't undisputed. He was unified.

It's commonly accepted that someone with 3 out of 4 majors is undisputed. There are some 40 or so "world championships" out there some less meaningful than others so it's common to accept 3 out of 4 majors as undisputed so by your logic Hopkins and Taylor were also only unified.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:03 pm

When someone misrepresents what you say...It can cause an argument..

Maybe you should jog on too...

by Strongback Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:04 pm

Dorian liked to "hack squat" alright.

I watch the Olympia on live link a few weeks ago. It just ain't the same any more. They look like bloated water filled condoms.

by tcribb Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:06 pm

oxring wrote:
tcribb wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I think Louis fought crud but have him second in my heavy list..

Amazing how such an argument can arise from a simple spelling misunderstanding. Crud - as in rubbish opposition, not crude.

Misunderstanding now explained, keep things clean and decent.

I apologized for the misunderstanding, maybes you should address the member who resorts to name calling, does the website readily accept one member calling another a d--- head ?

Awful stuff, from classless a individual, we can all disagree with one another but name calling is embarrassing. Maybes you should address that.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:06 pm

Absolutely Mate.....Much prefer the old days where aesthetics played a part too...

These mass monsters aren't half as good!!

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:07 pm

Well someone who comes on and say's the article is garbage then lies about it..

Might be up for the odd comment back don't you think..???

Let's forget it......and move on!!

by Strongback Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:09 pm

I blame Dorian. He pushed it to another level by what he was using.

The sport peaked in the 70's. Any bigger just looks unnatural.

by tcribb Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:11 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Well someone who comes on and say's the article is garbage then lies about it..

Might be up for the odd comment back don't you think..???

Let's forget it......and move on!!

It is garbage I stand by that, you were looking for reaction, you got one, well done.

I'm sure we're sensible enough not to take too much to heart and start the foul mouthed insulted and jog on, whats that all about?

I apologize for the misunderstanding, and a big apology i criticized the article, I never knew you were so sensitive.

by bhb001 Mon 17 Oct 2011, 12:29 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:I keep asking myself if Haye did any better at heavy than Joe Bugner would have against the same opposition.

I dare say Bugner might have taken a while longer to have gotten Ruiz out of there, given his cautious style, but I'm pretty sure that, had Harrison gotten under Bugner's skin, he would have flattened him in short order. Remember Richard Dunn? I have little doubt that the Bugner who gave Frazier a decent fight would have given Wlad a wee bit more to think about than did Haye.

Haye won a belt; Bugner didn't. Haye was ' charismatic ' - or plain obnoxious ; Bugner had the charisma of a goldfish. Trimmings aside, though, was Haye a better heavyweight than Bugner?

Bugner also will make a better actor than Haye!! I've seen him in more than one Australian film and he wasn't three bad

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