David Haye - A tribute!!

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You can count the name of British boxers that have transcended the sport and are known on both sides of the Atlantic on one hand in the last forty years..David Haye without doubt is one of these and I'm sorry people have failed to see the wider picture and are hammering him from pillar to post..

Sure he could've pretended to be nice remember Bruno to Honey "I told him if he acts humble he could make money" or be himself..Me I have more respect for a guy being himself...Heck I didn't much like him either if honest..

However he's one of the greatest British fighters of alltime...he was exciting, talented and brought aestheticity back to the Heavyweight division if only for a short period...

He unified the cruiser (basically) ...became a top 3 cruiser of alltime in my opinion and became one of a handful to mix with men a lot bigger and take home the big prize.....

Yep he cocked up his last fight but how many top fighters leave on a victory???

A great British standard bearer and I'm sorry he's getting the flak he is albeit some of it is deserved!!!..especially toe-gate!

Fighters like Haye don't grow on many British trees....try to appreciate him more....respect what he has achieved..

On a side note mCcrory thinks the Haye performance was calculated and that's okay!! So screwing British fans out of thousands of pounds is okay....Class act!!!

Whatever good luck to Haye........wish him the best for his future..

I didn't knock him Truss. If you read my post, I praise him...

Frank Bruno achieved more TRUSS and is better known and respected back home in the states. I talk too my friends back in Lennox av and they have nothing but contempt for the "Hayefaker"

How the heck did Bruno achieve more??????

He isnt being judged as a business man. Hes being judged as a fighter. Which I think is how it shold be. Audley Harrison would be an all time great if we were judging boxers as business men rather than fighters. Was anyone saying "well done Audley you made a million quid for landing a jab against Haye, fair play"? Somehow I dont see the congratulations and tributes rolling in for him if he ever does eventually retire.

I dont really see why making money should impact a fighters legacy either in terms of enhancing or detracting from it.

Fought for the heavyweight title 3 times, challanged for and defended the title in the states and of courst won the heavyweight WBC title.

Holyfield was the champion when Bruno won.....Mccall was a sparring partner and mentally f***ed.....Lost to everybody else decent that didn't come to Britain for a final payday!!!

Hardly the same as a two division champion who was no 1 in his division and unified it before winning the heavy title???

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Fought for the heavyweight title 3 times, challanged for and defended the title in the states and of courst won the heavyweight WBC title.

I thought he won it on his fourth attempt?

Witherspoon, Tyson and Lewis...............

Who says Brunos personality wasn't him being himself?

Rubbish! fact is he NEVER unified the cruiser (loser weight) division as he never fought Cunningham. Beating an ancient Mckormek and Enzo Mac who everyone and their mother has knocked out does not impress me. As for his joke of a campaign at heavy only 1 win barely stands out and that against 1 of the worst heavies EVER in that cat and mouse bore fest.

At least Bruno an say he fought 3 HOF ATG fighters in Tyson and Witherspoon, and Lewis, fought bravely against the dangerous bonecrusher andwas British and European champ.

To be fair at the time Enzo was a bit of a force, big punch and hadn't been knocked out by everyone he has now though he's miles past it.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Witherspoon, Tyson and Lewis...............

Fourth it was then.

Tyson never unified the heavy division...

He never beat the WBo champion Damiani!!!!!!

We all can all be pedantic..

So you know Haye never really truly unified the division but he say he did anyway rubbish TRUSS and you know it. Haye and Bruno cannot be compared. Bruno gets more respect, reached the top and never had to insult anyone or their family to do it. Haye conned people out of their money and now I'm supposed to respect him for it.

rubbish!

He won two unficiations, Bradley and others haven't wanted to put it on the line like that...

Damiani was wbo champ when Tyson was champion....

Comment on that!!

Damiani who???????????

oh yeah the heavy who shared to boxing limelight with TYSON back in the 80's oh yeah well done TRUSS.

The difference was Damiani was largely unrated as a heavyweight title holder. Cunningham was consider the number 1 rival to Haye while he held the WBO/WBC/WBA titles.

Still didn't unify......

Most here would pick Haye to squash him like Tyson-Damiani...

To be fair unifying just two titles together is unifying perhaps not all titles but it's still a unification.

Rubbish that would have been the most lucrative cruiserweight fight in decades and Haye ducked out.

Fact is boxing does not need personalities like Haye.

You might mock ONETWO...but he was WBO champion like it or not..

AlexHuckerby wrote:To be fair unifying just two titles together is unifying perhaps not all titles but it's still a unification.

Its not UNDISPUTED as TRUSS has suggested Haye was now is it.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Still didn't unify......

Most here would pick Haye to squash him like Tyson-Damiani...

Its nowhere near that one sided for me. I think Haye would win, but it would be a competitive fight. Cunningham was a live rival to Haye in a way that I dont think Damiani ever was to Tyson.

Incidently, I believe you can still say unify in relation to Haye as he did unify 3/4 titles. Where it becomes pedantic is that I dont believe you can call him "undisputed" as Cunningham held the IBF title. Thus Haye was a "unified" champion but not an "undisputed" one. For what its worth.

Welcome to the black and white World of onetwo where everybody is either a king or a coward....

I'd turn down Cunningham to fight for a more prestigious belt and five times the money in Valuev...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You might mock ONETWO...but he was WBO champion like it or not..

So was Johnney Nelson.

no but fact is he holds the ring belt because he is clearly the best in the division, perhaps he didn't beat Cunningham but he didn't need to.

Guess you think Calzaghe was garbage too then..WBO as well..

Also I dont think the WBO was considered a major title while Damiani held it in any event so Tyson was undisputed for all intents and purposes.

Pacqiaou and MArquez WBO.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Rubbish! fact is he NEVER unified the cruiser (loser weight) division as he never fought Cunningham. Beating an ancient Mckormek and Enzo Mac who everyone and their mother has knocked out does not impress me. As for his joke of a campaign at heavy only 1 win barely stands out and that against 1 of the worst heavies EVER in that cat and mouse bore fest.

At least Bruno an say he fought 3 HOF ATG fighters in Tyson and Witherspoon, and Lewis, fought bravely against the dangerous bonecrusher andwas British and European champ.

Mormeck is still better than Cunningham and was considered the MAN at the weight...Cunningham only won the title because Mormeck got stripped.

Delusional if anyone thinks Cunningham stood a chance against Haye.

Sick of all the Haye haters, a British legend who got people talking about the heavyweight division...Hope Haye comes back and smashes Vitali into retirement.

Oh so that's alright then.....Manos.

Had some good champions before 1990 though hey!!

AlexHuckerby wrote:no but fact is he holds the ring belt because he is clearly the best in the division, perhaps he didn't beat Cunningham but he didn't need to.

By that reasoning Wlad never needed to fight Haye though.

manos de piedra wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Still didn't unify......

Most here would pick Haye to squash him like Tyson-Damiani...

Its nowhere near that one sided for me. I think Haye would win, but it would be a competitive fight. Cunningham was a live rival to Haye in a way that I dont think Damiani ever was to Tyson.

Incidently, I believe you can still say unify in relation to Haye as he did unify 3/4 titles. Where it becomes pedantic is that I dont believe you can call him "undisputed" as Cunningham held the IBF title. Thus Haye was a "unified" champion but not an "undisputed" one. For what its worth.

Like I said he only got the title because Mormeck got stripped.

WBC
WBA
WBO
Ring Magazine

The four most prestigious titles Haye held...Cunningham did nothing to earn a shot at Haye...Haye is the undisputed Champion at cruiserweight.

Thats right manos the claim by Alex that Haye did not need Cunningham is plain silly. Haye is no British legend name me 1 fight of his that the nation got behind?

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Rubbish that would have been the most lucrative cruiserweight fight in decades and Haye ducked out.

Fact is boxing does not need personalities like Haye.

Agree and disagree. It needs personalities, just not the behaviour he showed.

Ring magazine title means NOTHING PBF and you and every b oxing fan knows this. Don't remember any of the greats legacy being defined by the ring magazine belt.

Do me a favour

clutching at straws.

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TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Still didn't unify......

Most here would pick Haye to squash him like Tyson-Damiani...

Its nowhere near that one sided for me. I think Haye would win, but it would be a competitive fight. Cunningham was a live rival to Haye in a way that I dont think Damiani ever was to Tyson.

Incidently, I believe you can still say unify in relation to Haye as he did unify 3/4 titles. Where it becomes pedantic is that I dont believe you can call him "undisputed" as Cunningham held the IBF title. Thus Haye was a "unified" champion but not an "undisputed" one. For what its worth.

Like I said he only got the title because Mormeck got stripped.

WBC
WBA
WBO
Ring Magazine

The four most prestigious titles Haye held...Cunningham did nothing to earn a shot at Haye...Haye is the undisputed Champion at cruiserweight.

I dont differentiate between the 4 titles anymore. They are all equally faceless. I dont dispute that Haye established himself as the top cruiserweight. But the whole point of undisputed is that there is no other champion to "dispute" the claim. Cunningham held a title so Haye was not undisputed. Its a pedantic point of discussion probably not worth arguing over though.

Haye established himself as the best cruiserweight. That much is pretty obvious. However Cunningham was probably better than Enzo Maccarinelli for instance.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Thats right manos the claim by Alex that Haye did not need Cunningham is plain silly. Haye is no British legend name me 1 fight of his that the nation got behind?

Maccaspaghetti
Valuev
Ruiz
Harrison
Barrett
Klitschko

Why would Haye need Cunningham? What has Cunningham ever done?

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TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Still didn't unify......

Most here would pick Haye to squash him like Tyson-Damiani...

Its nowhere near that one sided for me. I think Haye would win, but it would be a competitive fight. Cunningham was a live rival to Haye in a way that I dont think Damiani ever was to Tyson.

Incidently, I believe you can still say unify in relation to Haye as he did unify 3/4 titles. Where it becomes pedantic is that I dont believe you can call him "undisputed" as Cunningham held the IBF title. Thus Haye was a "unified" champion but not an "undisputed" one. For what its worth.

Like I said he only got the title because Mormeck got stripped.

WBC
WBA
WBO
Ring Magazine

The four most prestigious titles Haye held...Cunningham did nothing to earn a shot at Haye...Haye is the undisputed Champion at cruiserweight.

I dont differentiate between the 4 titles anymore. They are all equally faceless. I dont dispute that Haye established himself as the top cruiserweight. But the whole point of undisputed is that there is no other champion to "dispute" the claim. Cunningham held a title so Haye was not undisputed. Its a pedantic point of discussion probably not worth arguing over though.

Haye established himself as the best cruiserweight. That much is pretty obvious. However Cunningham was probably better than Enzo Maccarinelli for instance.

So Haye has to win the WBF, IBO, IBA, WBU etc...Cunningham did nothing to dispute it...Haye undisputed champion.

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TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Still didn't unify......

Most here would pick Haye to squash him like Tyson-Damiani...

Its nowhere near that one sided for me. I think Haye would win, but it would be a competitive fight. Cunningham was a live rival to Haye in a way that I dont think Damiani ever was to Tyson.

Incidently, I believe you can still say unify in relation to Haye as he did unify 3/4 titles. Where it becomes pedantic is that I dont believe you can call him "undisputed" as Cunningham held the IBF title. Thus Haye was a "unified" champion but not an "undisputed" one. For what its worth.

Like I said he only got the title because Mormeck got stripped.

WBC
WBA
WBO
Ring Magazine

The four most prestigious titles Haye held...Cunningham did nothing to earn a shot at Haye...Haye is the undisputed Champion at cruiserweight.

I dont differentiate between the 4 titles anymore. They are all equally faceless. I dont dispute that Haye established himself as the top cruiserweight. But the whole point of undisputed is that there is no other champion to "dispute" the claim. Cunningham held a title so Haye was not undisputed. Its a pedantic point of discussion probably not worth arguing over though.

Haye established himself as the best cruiserweight. That much is pretty obvious. However Cunningham was probably better than Enzo Maccarinelli for instance.

So Haye has to win the WBF, IBO, IBA, WBU etc...Cunningham did nothing to dispute it...Haye undisputed champion.

He held a world championship from a major sanctioning body. That is sufficient to dispute it. The same way that Haye holding the WBA title disputed the Klitschkos claims.

Would you consider Wlad Klitsschko the undisputed world champion at present then for that matter? Or would you be willing to acknowledge that Vitali has a fairly strong dispute in the matter?

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AlexHuckerby wrote:no but fact is he holds the ring belt because he is clearly the best in the division, perhaps he didn't beat Cunningham but he didn't need to.

By that reasoning Wlad never needed to fight Haye though.

Ridiculous, there is a big difference Haye moved divisions Wlad couldn't do that, Wlad had no other opponents and he was the biggest challenge and had no other weight divisions.

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TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Still didn't unify......

Most here would pick Haye to squash him like Tyson-Damiani...

Its nowhere near that one sided for me. I think Haye would win, but it would be a competitive fight. Cunningham was a live rival to Haye in a way that I dont think Damiani ever was to Tyson.

Incidently, I believe you can still say unify in relation to Haye as he did unify 3/4 titles. Where it becomes pedantic is that I dont believe you can call him "undisputed" as Cunningham held the IBF title. Thus Haye was a "unified" champion but not an "undisputed" one. For what its worth.

Like I said he only got the title because Mormeck got stripped.

WBC
WBA
WBO
Ring Magazine

The four most prestigious titles Haye held...Cunningham did nothing to earn a shot at Haye...Haye is the undisputed Champion at cruiserweight.

I dont differentiate between the 4 titles anymore. They are all equally faceless. I dont dispute that Haye established himself as the top cruiserweight. But the whole point of undisputed is that there is no other champion to "dispute" the claim. Cunningham held a title so Haye was not undisputed. Its a pedantic point of discussion probably not worth arguing over though.

Haye established himself as the best cruiserweight. That much is pretty obvious. However Cunningham was probably better than Enzo Maccarinelli for instance.

So Haye has to win the WBF, IBO, IBA, WBU etc...Cunningham did nothing to dispute it...Haye undisputed champion.

He held a world championship from a major sanctioning body. That is sufficient to dispute it. The same way that Haye holding the WBA title disputed the Klitschkos claims.

Would you consider Wlad Klitsschko the undisputed world champion at present then for that matter? Or would you be willing to acknowledge that Vitali has a fairly strong dispute in the matter?

Nope Cunningham was a paper champ nothing more...Haye the undisputed cruiserweight champion.

Vitali is a different case...Haye beat the highest ranked opponent in Mormeck...Wladimir beat the number two guy in Haye.

Wladimir though is the number one heavyweight as he has the better wins.

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manos de piedra wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:no but fact is he holds the ring belt because he is clearly the best in the division, perhaps he didn't beat Cunningham but he didn't need to.

By that reasoning Wlad never needed to fight Haye though.

Ridiculous, there is a big difference Haye moved divisions Wlad couldn't do that, Wlad had no other opponents and he was the biggest challenge and had no other weight divisions.

No, hang on a second why is it ridiculous? Wlad held the IBF/WBO/Ring belts while Haye was WBA heavyweight champion. Similar to when Haye held the WBO/WBA/WBC/Ring titles at cruiserweight. Cunningham was rated as Hayes biggest challenge when he held his IBF belt but Haye apparently didnt need to fight him. So why did Wlad need to fight Haye in similar circumstances? Wlad was considered the best in the division with Haye considered the third best by most publications.

Are you saying if Wlad could move up a weight then he didnt need to fight Haye?

I agree with you, as it happens, that Haye did not need to beat Cunningham to prove he was the best in the division. But likewise, you would have to say then that Wlad did not need to beat Haye to prove he was the best heavyweigh either. Given he had already established himself as the number one.

He didn't need to fgith him because there was bigger challenges at diffierent weights! why should he be tied down to that weight when everybody could see he was vastly superior to him?

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TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Still didn't unify......

Most here would pick Haye to squash him like Tyson-Damiani...

Its nowhere near that one sided for me. I think Haye would win, but it would be a competitive fight. Cunningham was a live rival to Haye in a way that I dont think Damiani ever was to Tyson.

Incidently, I believe you can still say unify in relation to Haye as he did unify 3/4 titles. Where it becomes pedantic is that I dont believe you can call him "undisputed" as Cunningham held the IBF title. Thus Haye was a "unified" champion but not an "undisputed" one. For what its worth.

Like I said he only got the title because Mormeck got stripped.

WBC
WBA
WBO
Ring Magazine

The four most prestigious titles Haye held...Cunningham did nothing to earn a shot at Haye...Haye is the undisputed Champion at cruiserweight.

I dont differentiate between the 4 titles anymore. They are all equally faceless. I dont dispute that Haye established himself as the top cruiserweight. But the whole point of undisputed is that there is no other champion to "dispute" the claim. Cunningham held a title so Haye was not undisputed. Its a pedantic point of discussion probably not worth arguing over though.

Haye established himself as the best cruiserweight. That much is pretty obvious. However Cunningham was probably better than Enzo Maccarinelli for instance.

So Haye has to win the WBF, IBO, IBA, WBU etc...Cunningham did nothing to dispute it...Haye undisputed champion.

He held a world championship from a major sanctioning body. That is sufficient to dispute it. The same way that Haye holding the WBA title disputed the Klitschkos claims.

Would you consider Wlad Klitsschko the undisputed world champion at present then for that matter? Or would you be willing to acknowledge that Vitali has a fairly strong dispute in the matter?

Nope Cunningham was a paper champ nothing more...Haye the undisputed cruiserweight champion.

Vitali is a different case...Haye beat the highest ranked opponent in Mormeck...Wladimir beat the number two guy in Haye.

Wladimir though is the number one heavyweight as he has the better wins.

It doesnt really matter how much you call Haye undisputed. The fact of the matter is he wasnt. The fact that Cunningham was ranked the number 2 cruiserweight at the time by the Ring amongst other also supports this. Hae was ranked higher, but he wasnt undisputed.

If Cunningham was a paper champion at cruiserweigh then Haye was a paper champion at heavyweight.

Wlad had to fight Haye because there isn't a divison above Heavyweight but he didn't need to fight him to prove he was number 1 he had established that he had a far better CV, but Haye could ahve beaten him and was the biggest threat at the weight, there was no one else. Cunningham was the same for Haye but Haye could move up.

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TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Still didn't unify......

Most here would pick Haye to squash him like Tyson-Damiani...

Its nowhere near that one sided for me. I think Haye would win, but it would be a competitive fight. Cunningham was a live rival to Haye in a way that I dont think Damiani ever was to Tyson.

Incidently, I believe you can still say unify in relation to Haye as he did unify 3/4 titles. Where it becomes pedantic is that I dont believe you can call him "undisputed" as Cunningham held the IBF title. Thus Haye was a "unified" champion but not an "undisputed" one. For what its worth.

Like I said he only got the title because Mormeck got stripped.

WBC
WBA
WBO
Ring Magazine

The four most prestigious titles Haye held...Cunningham did nothing to earn a shot at Haye...Haye is the undisputed Champion at cruiserweight.

I dont differentiate between the 4 titles anymore. They are all equally faceless. I dont dispute that Haye established himself as the top cruiserweight. But the whole point of undisputed is that there is no other champion to "dispute" the claim. Cunningham held a title so Haye was not undisputed. Its a pedantic point of discussion probably not worth arguing over though.

Haye established himself as the best cruiserweight. That much is pretty obvious. However Cunningham was probably better than Enzo Maccarinelli for instance.

So Haye has to win the WBF, IBO, IBA, WBU etc...Cunningham did nothing to dispute it...Haye undisputed champion.

He held a world championship from a major sanctioning body. That is sufficient to dispute it. The same way that Haye holding the WBA title disputed the Klitschkos claims.

Would you consider Wlad Klitsschko the undisputed world champion at present then for that matter? Or would you be willing to acknowledge that Vitali has a fairly strong dispute in the matter?

Nope Cunningham was a paper champ nothing more...Haye the undisputed cruiserweight champion.

Vitali is a different case...Haye beat the highest ranked opponent in Mormeck...Wladimir beat the number two guy in Haye.

Wladimir though is the number one heavyweight as he has the better wins.

It doesnt really matter how much you call Haye undisputed. The fact of the matter is he wasnt. The fact that Cunningham was ranked the number 2 cruiserweight at the time by the Ring amongst other also supports this. Hae was ranked higher, but he wasnt undisputed.

If Cunningham was a paper champion at cruiserweigh then Haye was a paper champion at heavyweight.

Haye was the undisputed champ beat the two belt holders and Cunningham only got the IBF by Mormeck getting stripped.

Haye proved himself at heavyweight by beating two former world champions and deserved a shot at Wladimir...there was huge public demand for the fight to happen.

No one wanted to see Haye destroy Cunningham.

AlexHuckerby wrote:He didn't need to fgith him because there was bigger challenges at diffierent weights! why should he be tied down to that weight when everybody could see he was vastly superior to him?

Yeah but why did Wlad need to fight Haye when he vastly superior to him?

I have no problem with Haye leaving cruiserweight, but Cunningham was a viable opponent who held a world title. Not some nobody unworthy of sharing the ring with Haye. Hae leaving heavyweight absolved him of any obligation he had to face Cunningham, but had he stayd at the weight then Cunningham would have been to Haye, what Haye was to Wlad.

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TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Still didn't unify......

Most here would pick Haye to squash him like Tyson-Damiani...

Its nowhere near that one sided for me. I think Haye would win, but it would be a competitive fight. Cunningham was a live rival to Haye in a way that I dont think Damiani ever was to Tyson.

Incidently, I believe you can still say unify in relation to Haye as he did unify 3/4 titles. Where it becomes pedantic is that I dont believe you can call him "undisputed" as Cunningham held the IBF title. Thus Haye was a "unified" champion but not an "undisputed" one. For what its worth.

Like I said he only got the title because Mormeck got stripped.

WBC
WBA
WBO
Ring Magazine

The four most prestigious titles Haye held...Cunningham did nothing to earn a shot at Haye...Haye is the undisputed Champion at cruiserweight.

I dont differentiate between the 4 titles anymore. They are all equally faceless. I dont dispute that Haye established himself as the top cruiserweight. But the whole point of undisputed is that there is no other champion to "dispute" the claim. Cunningham held a title so Haye was not undisputed. Its a pedantic point of discussion probably not worth arguing over though.

Haye established himself as the best cruiserweight. That much is pretty obvious. However Cunningham was probably better than Enzo Maccarinelli for instance.

So Haye has to win the WBF, IBO, IBA, WBU etc...Cunningham did nothing to dispute it...Haye undisputed champion.

He held a world championship from a major sanctioning body. That is sufficient to dispute it. The same way that Haye holding the WBA title disputed the Klitschkos claims.

Would you consider Wlad Klitsschko the undisputed world champion at present then for that matter? Or would you be willing to acknowledge that Vitali has a fairly strong dispute in the matter?

Nope Cunningham was a paper champ nothing more...Haye the undisputed cruiserweight champion.

Vitali is a different case...Haye beat the highest ranked opponent in Mormeck...Wladimir beat the number two guy in Haye.

Wladimir though is the number one heavyweight as he has the better wins.

It doesnt really matter how much you call Haye undisputed. The fact of the matter is he wasnt. The fact that Cunningham was ranked the number 2 cruiserweight at the time by the Ring amongst other also supports this. Hae was ranked higher, but he wasnt undisputed.

If Cunningham was a paper champion at cruiserweigh then Haye was a paper champion at heavyweight.

Haye was the undisputed champ beat the two belt holders and Cunningham only got the IBF by Mormeck getting stripped.

Haye proved himself at heavyweight by beating two former world champions and deserved a shot at Wladimir...there was huge public demand for the fight to happen.

No one wanted to see Haye destroy Cunningham.

Yeah well Haye was only WBA champ because Chagaev got stripped. Otherwise Wlad have had the title even earlier.