India vs England 2nd ODI Debate

Terrible start for England, with Cook and Kieswetter both falling for 0.

2/2 after 3 overs, very disappointing start after winning the toss, with both batsmen apparently getting out to innocuous deliveries.

That's better, 17 off one Praveen Kumar over. 20-2 from 5 overs.

Seems like this situation is perfect for Trott, where he has time to get himself in. Hopefully I haven't now gone and put the mockers on him...

Trott.

Gone for 34. 48-3.

Trott falls for 34, leaving England on 48/3 from 10 overs. That's put us back in trouble, and is a real shame after a very promising innings from Trott.

With our inconsistent lower order I struggle to see us making 200 here, and it would appear we are on the verge of going 2-0 down.

KP and Ravi need to stand up here, they are the last of the batsmen with real experience at this level and one of them needs to make a ton if we are to have any chance at winning this game.

I fear the game may already be gone, jdizzle, but you're right.

The RR isn't bad actually, it is just the fact we have lost three wickets. All it takes is one big stand and if we get 270 then at least we are in the game.

From 120-3 to 120-5, and that may just be game, set and match.

Bopara (36) falling lbw to Ashwin, and KP (46) falling caught behind to Yadav.

If England can somehow manufacture 250, at least it will give them a fighting chance. We know how Bairstwow can bat, let's see if he can do it under pressure from England being 121-5.

Although we don't have a player like Dhoni ready to come in, if these two can stay around, they may be able to produce a target that will at least make India think a little.

India was in this position in the 1st game remember

Very true, however unless Bairstow can have some success teeing off (he can do it with the best of them when he has his day), then we don't have that Dhoni type to see us through the last 10 overs at a rate somewhere around 10.

250 minimum is required.

If England can get up above 250 it will at least give India something to chase

This batting powerplay is crucial. 3 from the first of the overs. The second over goes for 4. Not good enough.

Correct, twist.

12 runs from the next, which is more like it, but good bowling from Kumar looks to have slowed us.

Shame KP got out after getting a fine start. He did show why England should persist with him, but never played that typical innings that would stop the debate.
Another partnership building here for England, Bairstow and Patel should stay out there for some more time and one of them should bat through. Swann and Bresnan can chip in with some useful runs, 260 should be a challenging total on this track.

two good overs off Ashwin in that PP, but Kumar bowled some great stuff to keep England honest. England will be feeling they can't afford to be too gung-ho just yet

If these two can keep going we have a chance.

KP played very well by all accounts, looking in fine touch. For me, there was no debate as to whether he should play or not. India would prefer it if he wasn't playing, simple as that. However, there will always be the detractors, of which there are plenty.

36 runs fromEngland's batting powerplay, but no wickets, 40 overs 190-5. 260 possible???

Bairstow and Patel are now taking the attack to India. Last 10 overs coming up, if England could score at least 80-85, we'll have a game. Think 270 will be dificult to get for India.

I think we are looking at 240-260 here. I think they will take that after the situation they were in. Patel hitting some big shots, but I can see either one of them getting out before the 45th over. Then they will be hard pressed to get over 6 an over.

India bowling well.

Fists of Fury wrote:If these two can keep going we have a chance.

KP played very well by all accounts, looking in fine touch. For me, there was no debate as to whether he should play or not. India would prefer it if he wasn't playing, simple as that. However, there will always be the detractors, of which there are plenty.

India would have been more than happy had he not been playing.
But my point was that he should just have gone a head and converted this knock in to something more substantial.

Patel gone, shooter from Yadav

It's easy to say that he should of, msp, but the fact is he didn't mean to edge that ball behind...it happens sometimes.

Shame Patel has gone at a pretty crucial time. We need Bairstow to bat out this 10 overs.

Hey Guys!. Have you noted? An Indian FAST bowler has taken a wicket with a ball bowled at 143 KMPH!!!!.

I called it unfortunatly.

Bairstow needs to keep us ticking over if we are aiming for 260. I think it will be 240 now.

terrible shot from Bairstow

be lucky to get 250 now, what was he thinking of?

Game over.

I put the mockers on him.

Bairstow out. Bresnan to have a slog to get a decent target.

MFC you say a terrible shot from Bairstow, but all reports are suggesting he was caught very well by Kohli right on the boundary edge...not sure what is terrible about trying to hit sixes in the last 10 overs of an ODI innings, myself.

Fists, I am a total supporter of KP, and as such feel a bit uncomfortable when people unfairly go after the man. So kind of want him to go on and put up a big score, even if that means a bit of trouble for India.

With Bairstow gone, Swann's the key.

woops, bad misfield from India, England could do with a few more of those

ohhhhhhh how i wish Swann and Bresnan could do a Theron and Parnell, that would be a sight.

Fists, it was more the fact that we'd just lost Patel, and he pretty much hit it straight to him, whereas mid-on was up in the ring, so he should have been looking over mid-on IMO (or at least straight). Batsmen should avoid trying to hit the ball for six over a boundary fielder...

msp83 wrote:Fists, I am a total supporter of KP, and as such feel a bit uncomfortable when people unfairly go after the man. So kind of want him to go on and put up a big score, even if that means a bit of trouble for India.

Fully agree with you, msp. Unfortunately it is a very English tendency to slate our very own as soon as things don't go swimmingly. Ridiculous, but it happens.

Fortunately, however, those of us with intelligence and knowledge know better

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Fists, it was more the fact that we'd just lost Patel, and he pretty much hit it straight to him, whereas mid-on was up in the ring, so he should have been looking over mid-on IMO (or at least straight). Batsmen should avoid trying to hit the ball for six over a boundary fielder...

Got to back yourself, I guess.

Swann gone, England in danger of running out of batsmen

5 overs left. 6 an over makes 257. Over to you Swann and Bresnan

Swann out. England's resistance petering out with a whimper... anywhere 250 or less is undefendable, in my eyes, especially with our relatively weak bowling attack in these conditions.

Can't be assed to edit the above post....remove Swann and add Finn

R Vinay Kumar has had a good domestic record, and its on the this basis that he continues to keep the young and evolving Varun Aaron out of the side. Lot of us haven't been convinced by this move of the team management, but Vinay, to his credit, has done well today, and earns another chance for himself, Don't think I'll be convinced unless he does it consistently, so one match at a time for me.

Fists....what would you do in this situation? You have 2 wickets left...4 overs...and need to slog. But your in danger of using all your wickets before the end of the game...maybe missing out on vital runs in the process.

Singles? Or Slogs?

and now a remarkably daft shot by Bresnan, last ball of the over, Finn at the other end, and instead of sensibly tapping for a single he goes for a big hit and is easily caught. Sometimes you have to wonder what goes through these guys heads...

England should bat out the overs, its criminal to do otherwise. Each run might just come in handy.

Lol, I think my question was answered quite emphatically by Bresnan there!

that's a great dive by Finn, handy being about ten feet tall for that

With that, Vinay gets the entire series!. Sorry, Varun Aaron, you'll have to hold on a bit more. May be getting him right into a test match is the way.

Vinay has a chance to get a fifer here. Not sure many would have bet on that!.