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Post by skyeman Thu 20 Oct 2011, 9:35 am

England win the toss and bat, in a must win game, after two big win's for India.
Both teams unchanged.

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 9:48 am

Expect more of the same. England 260-270 and India to chase it with 5 overs to spare, is my prediction.

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Post by skyeman Thu 20 Oct 2011, 9:56 am

Probably right, but England have nothing too lose (well, apart from the series), so hopefully one or two batsmen can get that big score that will be needed against India. I was hoping they replaced Kieswetter with Bell. But England are staying faithful to the current team.

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:08 am

Kieswetter shouldn't be replaced, that's a knee-jerk reaction.

Bopara should probably be replaced with Bell, given that bell is a better bat and a better fielder. Kieswetter is a good young player that can be very dangerous on his day, something that Bopara isn't. Anyway, that's a debate that's for another day.

We need to score 300 to stand a chance, in my opinion. Our bowling is so jaded/poor that I'd still worry then.

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Post by Guest Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:11 am

glad we kept the same seam attack. They got us into this mess, now get us out of it....I wish Borthwick would have got a game though, to be honest.

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:13 am

I'm not glad, cf, Finn looked sprightly but Bresnan looked tired to me, and Dernbach looked poor.

Shame Woakes got injured, thinking about it. His batting would have allowed us to drop Patel (who is useless with the ball) and played Borthwick to see how he went.

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:15 am

Cook gone lbw to Vinay Kumar.

See, this is an example, average bowlers getting out players that have just played far too much cricket. I can see myself being very angry by the end of this pointless tour.

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Post by skyeman Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

Shuck's not the start England needed, plumb lbw from V Kumar, 8-1

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:26 am

Trott playing out too many dot balls in these powerplay overs. His innings in the 2nd ODI was almost a run a ball, I was rather hoping he would have continued that.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:27 am

Ball wobbling around, looks difficult conditions out there

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Post by Gregers Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:30 am

This is the reason Trott sucks in ODI cricket. And with Deadweight, NoHopara and Fatman to come its up to Craig again.

We need to score 280-320 just to stand a chance

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:33 am

Our run rate is always higher than this in Test matches. Appalling.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

India have bowled well on a pitch which is doing a bit. Trott really struggling, having said that he's just smashed one past the bowler for four.

Just seen a replay of Cook's LBW. Looked a touch high?

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Post by skyeman Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

Batting powerplay, 7 overs - 3 runs per over????. In a must win game, way too many dot balls. These are class batsmen, who should be able too find the gaps to keep the scoreboard ticking over.


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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:36 am

Apparently hit him above the knee roll, which usually suggests it is going over.

It's easy to bowl well if the batsmen aren't playing aggressive shots and getting after you.

We simply allow far too many dot balls in powerplay overs, and we will never be successful at ODI cricket as long as that continues.

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:39 am

Problem is now, the pressure is mounting to break the shackles, and you can guarantee that one or more will be out soon to a forced shot.

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:40 am

Six, that's more like it Craig! Bash this average Joe.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:40 am

Kieswetter finally thinks he's got his eye in, and just after smashing one straight back to Kumar, marmalises one way over midwicket into the stands. Better from England.

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:41 am

Apologies that was Praveen, who I really do rate. For a moment I thought it was Vinay.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:42 am

Trott really struggling with his timing

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:44 am

Six more! Go on Craig!

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:44 am

last ball of the PP goes remarkably over third man for six, and England end on 40-1. Not a disaster on this wicket, but would've liked a few more on the board...

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Post by skyeman Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:45 am

10 overs, 40-1, Trott, doing his norm 7 runs (20 balls). Need to pick it up now.

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Post by TwisT Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:49 am

Morning guys,

Came on for the 3 ODI. Haven't missed much it seems.

Trott as number 3? Always good to take the game away from your opponents Rolling Eyes

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:52 am

Kieswetter going well. This is why I would be loathe to drop him, he sets a good pace when he gets his eye in. Helping us play a bit of catch up, here.

(Hope I haven't put the mockers on him).

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:54 am

Oh dear, I really did put the mockers on him. Damn it.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:55 am

Fists I'm blaming you for that furious

Time for KP to step up

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:55 am

Drives me mental these incredibly average Indian bowlers getting good batsmen out.

Kohli. Kohli for crying out loud. My great aunt bowls with more venom and skill than Virat does.

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Post by skyeman Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:55 am

Good 12th over for Eng, 10 runs, Kieswetter OUT, Darn, he was looking good 36 (37 balls), Trott 11 (25 balls) 53-2.

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Post by Gregers Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:56 am

Deadweight will struggle...

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:56 am

Sorry gents, my fault. I'm not going to be positive again, I promise.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:57 am

did you ever consider just getting behind the team Gregers?

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Post by Gregers Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:59 am

In ODIs? Not really, in my entire life I've not seen a consistently good England one day side. It really is ridiculous we keep making the same mistakes

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 10:59 am

Gregers talks utter guff when it comes to England, I'd ignore it MFC Wink

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Post by Gregers Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:01 am

Cheers fists Hug


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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:04 am

Trott with a couple of boundaries

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:05 am

No problem Gregers boxing

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:12 am

Run rate has increased nicely now - 8 per over in the last 5 overs, and 5.5 per over overall.

Cue England going at 1.5 per over for the next 10 overs...

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:13 am

where's trebs when you need some quality reverse jinxing lol?


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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:15 am

nice shot from KP, punching KP on the up through the covers for four

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:15 am

I hope he didn't punch himself, MFC... Wink

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Post by Guest Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:16 am

we need to learn to reguarly keep the scoreboard ticking over against the spinners.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:20 am

whoops KP punching PK through the covers, obviously

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Post by skyeman Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:23 am

I have never known, why Pietersen has been ridiculed for his batting, ok he has not had the big runs in ODI.s recently, but he will always be capable of being a match winner. He gives me the same buzz that Botham used to give me when he came to the crease. Class is permanant.

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:23 am

Let's see if my jinxing continues...

KP is on fire! Absolutely hammering the Indians all over the park! Go on son!

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:24 am

skyeman wrote:I have never known, why Pietersen has been ridiculed for his batting, ok he has not had the big runs in ODI.s recently, but he will always be capable of being a match winner. He gives me the same buzz that Botham used to give me when he came to the crease. Class is permanant.

Agree 100%, mate.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:27 am

good over from Ashwin, but England handily placed after 20 overs. If KP gets out now Fists I'm going to throttle you with my bare hands lol

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Post by skyeman Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:29 am

20 over mark 111-2, much, much better, good position. Trott ,picking up his SR too.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:29 am

woops, shocking running from Trott, but even worse fielding from India and England escape

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Post by skyeman Thu 20 Oct 2011, 11:31 am

That bit of fortune England needed Yahoo

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