This Whole Englang Thing Is Turning Into(Or Even More Of) A Farce

by senghenydd1913 Sun 20 Nov 2011, 7:17 pm

Reading the press today,and no I dont trust or believe most of them,the situation with our neighbours across the dyke is farcical in the extreme.You have respected figures like SCW advocating one thing whilst ex-players are pushing for something else-in between you have Rob Andrew who was carp as a player and obviously is still carp as an administrator smugly sitting there stabbing people in the back to ensure his own position.
Can I say to all you saes guys out there that,whilst not many of us want to see the red rose in disarray,unless something major happens pretty quickly your on a long and rocky road, the other five nations and indeed the world will sit back and relish it.

by hawalsh Sun 20 Nov 2011, 7:29 pm

senghenydd1913 wrote:unless something major happens pretty quickly your on a long and rocky road

Almost quite the opposite. Something major does need to happen, but not quickly. Top down organisation and appointments, with nothing being rushed into, let alone dashing to appoint a new manager before the upper management are in place. This 6N isn't important in terms of the long view and firm foundations.

by Knowsit17 Sun 20 Nov 2011, 7:31 pm

The RFU is a farce, I'm not sure who would deny that much. Best thing would be a clean-out which is highly unlikely to occur, at least not yet, with people like Andrew covering up and shying away from the responsibility of his position.

by PJHolybloke Sun 20 Nov 2011, 7:38 pm

OP can I just say that I'm so glad all is so well with Welsh rugby that you've got the time to spend on advising us Saesneg.

Honestly, we really appreciate your comments and they're not in the least bit likely to be taken the wrong way.

Thanks again dyke cousin.

by stlowe Sun 20 Nov 2011, 7:40 pm

senghenydd1913 wrote:
whilst not many of us want to see the red rose in disarray

Guys, don't bother replying to this WUM. His posting history shows that he only ever logs in for anti-English entries, it's clearly a multiple account. Just ignore him and let this sorry post die its death.

by PJHolybloke Sun 20 Nov 2011, 7:48 pm

But I like the idea of having another dyke cousin, I've already got one but Jen moved to Cardiff to work for the BBC about 10 years ago and I miss her. Cry

by senghenydd1913 Sun 20 Nov 2011, 7:55 pm

stlowe wrote:
senghenydd1913 wrote:
whilst not many of us want to see the red rose in disarray

Guys, don't bother replying to this WUM. His posting history shows that he only ever logs in for anti-English entries, it's clearly a multiple account. Just ignore him and let this sorry post die its death.

eerr-beg to difer not a multi-account and I was actually being sincere-ok I've crossed swords with PJ in the past but nothing unhealthy-look at my posting history and it should be obvious I'm not a wum-anyway,dont really have to defend myself here,just think that with the hindsight of my post that some of you are possibly a tad too defensive.

by stlowe Sun 20 Nov 2011, 8:03 pm

OK, if you say so.

If you want to pretend you're not a WUM, you should really try and diversify the posting history of this account.

Good luck on your next fishing expedition.

Ok!

by PJHolybloke Sun 20 Nov 2011, 9:34 pm

senghenydd1913 wrote:
stlowe wrote:
senghenydd1913 wrote:
whilst not many of us want to see the red rose in disarray

Guys, don't bother replying to this WUM. His posting history shows that he only ever logs in for anti-English entries, it's clearly a multiple account. Just ignore him and let this sorry post die its death.

eerr-beg to difer not a multi-account and I was actually being sincere-ok I've crossed swords with PJ in the past but nothing unhealthy-look at my posting history and it should be obvious I'm not a wum-anyway,dont really have to defend myself here,just think that with the hindsight of my post that some of you are possibly a tad too defensive.

Can we just have it on the record that the "crossed swords" refers to a bit of a disagreement and ABSOLUTELY nothing else? Ta. Very Happy

by Effervescing Elephant Mon 21 Nov 2011, 9:17 am

What or who is "Englang"?

by doctor_grey Mon 21 Nov 2011, 10:33 am

I really don't see this as a wind up. I think he has clearly expressed what we have all been saying:

senghenydd1913 wrote:Reading the press today,and no I dont trust or believe most of them,the situation with our neighbours across the dyke is farcical in the extreme.

This is true. It is a farce.

senghenydd1913 wrote:You have respected figures like SCW advocating one thing whilst ex-players are pushing for something else-in between you have Rob Andrew who was carp as a player and obviously is still carp as an administrator smugly sitting there stabbing people in the back to ensure his own position.

There are a lot of people pushing and pulling in multiple directions. And the rest of us want to see Rob Andrew go to his own on Tyburn Hill.

senghenydd1913 wrote:Can I say to all you saes guys out there that,whilst not many of us want to see the red rose in disarray,unless something major happens pretty quickly your on a long and rocky road, the other five nations and indeed the world will sit back and relish it.

I think everyone in all other five nations are already having a good chuckle at England's fortunes.

He is right, and this is all bad.

by HammerofThunor Mon 21 Nov 2011, 1:06 pm

You're point seems to be about ex-players mouthing off in different directions (always happened and always will happen but nothing to do with the RFU). And then you've added in a bit of supposition regarding Rob Andrew. Not entirely sure how any of that points to farcical RFU.

The fact the RFU is a farce has got nothing to do with your points.

by niwatts Mon 21 Nov 2011, 2:06 pm

This article was clearly an attempt at a WUM. The OP states nothing new that couldn't have been added to the other threads dealing with the issues, he poses no questions, adds no insight, it's just a vehicle for him to headline his final sentence that England are doomed and he's happy about it, trying to rile supporters in the process. Posters have recognised it for what it is however and given it its due.

by senghenydd1913 Tue 22 Nov 2011, 6:35 pm

niwatts wrote:This article was clearly an attempt at a WUM. The OP states nothing new that couldn't have been added to the other threads dealing with the issues, he poses no questions, adds no insight, it's just a vehicle for him to headline his final sentence that England are doomed and he's happy about it, trying to rile supporters in the process. Posters have recognised it for what it is however and given it its due.

told you the other day-isnt a wind up,nor am I a Wum-it was a reflection on what is happening now to the English game-It does none of us(the other five nations) any good whatsoever to have the English game in turmoil-what we all need is a strong NH competing at their best.
If thats a wum then think what you will.

by stlowe Tue 22 Nov 2011, 7:08 pm

It's interesting that for a Welshman who claims not to be a WUM and a holder of multiple accounts, your posting history shows on the day of the Ire-Wal & Fra-Eng QFs you commented on England's loss, but not Wales' success. Then you didn't comment again for the rest of the WC, neither on selection or build up to your SF or play-off. Neither did you comment on PRO12 or HC rugby in the weeks after, in fact your next post came over a month later with jibes over England captaincy and managers, and you've commented exclusively on England topics since.

If you're not a WUM, then you seem pretty obsessed with us and not interested in any other rugby.

by senghenydd1913 Tue 22 Nov 2011, 7:33 pm

Staticician baby-not obssessed with the saes whatsoever-I know where I am from and from whence I come -perchance you have some sort oedipean complex whereby you really want to find your ancestors?-might even be from Gods Own Country? Cool

by Glas a du Tue 22 Nov 2011, 7:43 pm

Come on lads, sort it out. Please.

by Gatts Tue 22 Nov 2011, 8:50 pm

Clearly if you are Welsh you are disallowed from commenting on England's (ahem) problems and if you do are cast as a WUM.

But the irony is, all the ammunition for said WUMMING is coming from the RFU, merely pointing it out doesn't make you a WUM, Welsh or not.

But since there is an element of English fans that believe they have some rights of ownership over comments on the train wreck that is the RFU and elite set up, my advice to fellow Welshists is write a review of Jim Henson's Muppet Show, clearly then no comparisons can be drawn and any suggestions of WUMMERY at England's expense can be avoided

by Gatts Tue 22 Nov 2011, 8:53 pm

stlowe wrote:It's interesting that for a Welshman who claims not to be a WUM and a holder of multiple accounts, your posting history shows on the day of the Ire-Wal & Fra-Eng QFs you commented on England's loss, but not Wales' success. Then you didn't comment again for the rest of the WC, neither on selection or build up to your SF or play-off. Neither did you comment on PRO12 or HC rugby in the weeks after, in fact your next post came over a month later with jibes over England captaincy and managers, and you've commented exclusively on England topics since.

If you're not a WUM, then you seem pretty obsessed with us and not interested in any other rugby.

Pretty obsessed?

But not so obsessed that you would examine every aspect of someone's posting history to make your point?

Scary

by stlowe Tue 22 Nov 2011, 10:02 pm

Gatts wrote:But not so obsessed that you would examine every aspect of someone's posting history to make your point?

Every aspect? A couple of clicks on his profile showed everything I needed to see on one screen. It took seconds to see precious few comments within a couple of months and only on England's failings rather than anything on his own team's successes. When you smell a rat, curiosity often needs to be sated.

I have no problem with Welsh posters commenting on England's many problems, but as someone above states, the OP didn't reveal anything new, asked no questions or had any significant point for discussion. There was nothing that couldn't have been added to already running and active topics (where incidentally I didn't say anything against posters commenting on England). What the forum doesn't need is multiple account posters whose intention it is to create maximum attention for fishing expeditions for Anglo-Welsh ill feeling, that's what most of us hoped to leave behind on the old 606. If you can be bothered to look at my posting history on here or the old place you would find that I castigate WUMs from both sides. As a first generation Brit with Swedish ancestry I find the inciting almost exclusive to a minority of English & Welsh posters rather pathetic and make no bones about highlighting posters for what they really are, so that hopefully they are shamed rather than each of the nations.

by Gatts Wed 23 Nov 2011, 1:30 am

Hey my favourite character on the muppets was the swedish chef!!

I once had a Swedish girlfriend too.

I love Swedes, always so neutral Very Happy

by Guest Wed 23 Nov 2011, 10:27 am

senghenydd1913 wrote:perchance you have some sort oedipean complex whereby you really want to find your ancestors?-might even be from Gods Own Country?

Yorkshire?

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Wed 23 Nov 2011, 11:03 am

PJHolybloke wrote:
senghenydd1913 wrote:
stlowe wrote:
senghenydd1913 wrote:
whilst not many of us want to see the red rose in disarray

Guys, don't bother replying to this WUM. His posting history shows that he only ever logs in for anti-English entries, it's clearly a multiple account. Just ignore him and let this sorry post die its death.

eerr-beg to difer not a multi-account and I was actually being sincere-ok I've crossed swords with PJ in the past but nothing unhealthy-look at my posting history and it should be obvious I'm not a wum-anyway,dont really have to defend myself here,just think that with the hindsight of my post that some of you are possibly a tad too defensive.

Can we just have it on the record that the "crossed swords" refers to a bit of a disagreement and ABSOLUTELY nothing else? Ta.

by G Wed 23 Nov 2011, 11:27 am

......oh dear...

by Luckless Pedestrian Wed 23 Nov 2011, 12:10 pm

senghenydd1913 wrote:Staticician baby-not obssessed with the saes whatsoever-I know where I am from and from whence I come -perchance you have some sort oedipean complex whereby you really want to find your ancestors?-might even be from Gods Own Country?

1) It's Sais, not Saes.

2) You're saying the same thing twice.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Wed 23 Nov 2011, 12:14 pm

senghenydd1913 wrote:Staticician baby-not obssessed with the saes whatsoever-I know where I am from and from whence I come -perchance you have some sort oedipean complex whereby you really want to find your ancestors?-might even be from Gods Own Country?

Scotland?

by flyhalffactory Wed 23 Nov 2011, 12:37 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
senghenydd1913 wrote:Staticician baby-not obssessed with the saes whatsoever-I know where I am from and from whence I come -perchance you have some sort oedipean complex whereby you really want to find your ancestors?-might even be from Gods Own Country?
Scotland?

"Gods Own Country"

Hey OP keep Scotland out of your ENGLANG slagfest (Oh My God how embarressing is that) Whistle

Long live the King Of The WUMS king

Hip Hip Hurray

By the way I am sending you details of English (Lit & Lan) courses in your area, might help your chosen career as a WUM

by gelodge Wed 23 Nov 2011, 12:59 pm

Oh dear, this post didn't go as intended.

The original poster lists his location as Cefnmably. Maybe I'm wrong, but shouldn't it be Cefn Mably?

That he can't spell his supposed profession of statistician, further suggests he's not who he claims.

by Islingtonv2 Wed 23 Nov 2011, 1:25 pm

wum or not the article stinks of schadenfreude.

by senghenydd1913 Thu 24 Nov 2011, 7:03 pm

stlowe wrote:It's interesting that for a Welshman who claims not to be a WUM and a holder of multiple accounts, your posting history shows on the day of the Ire-Wal & Fra-Eng QFs you commented on England's loss, but not Wales' success. Then you didn't comment again for the rest of the WC, neither on selection or build up to your SF or play-off. Neither did you comment on PRO12 or HC rugby in the weeks after, in fact your next post came over a month later with jibes over England captaincy and managers, and you've commented exclusively on England topics since.

If you're not a WUM, then you seem pretty obsessed with us and not interested in any other rugby.

EErr I was in NZ watching the WC-why should I comment on On the Success of my country when I'd have dipsticks like you saying we were crowing-grow up,get a life that doesnt include trawling peeps posting history looking for things that are'nt there-
As of today,would you care to comment on the chaos that is the RFU?

by TycroesOsprey Thu 24 Nov 2011, 7:59 pm

luckless_pedestrian wrote:
senghenydd1913 wrote:Staticician baby-not obssessed with the saes whatsoever-I know where I am from and from whence I come -perchance you have some sort oedipean complex whereby you really want to find your ancestors?-might even be from Gods Own Country?

1) It's Sais, not Saes.

2) You're saying the same thing twice.

Ah Sais is singular, Saeson is plural so in the vernacular Saes is fine I believe.

by senghenydd1913 Thu 24 Nov 2011, 8:01 pm

TycroesOsprey wrote:
luckless_pedestrian wrote:
senghenydd1913 wrote:Staticician baby-not obssessed with the saes whatsoever-I know where I am from and from whence I come -perchance you have some sort oedipean complex whereby you really want to find your ancestors?-might even be from Gods Own Country?

1) It's Sais, not Saes.

2) You're saying the same thing twice.

Ah Sais is singular, Saeson is plural so in the vernacular Saes is fine I believe.

Diolch Tycroes!

by gelodge Thu 24 Nov 2011, 8:52 pm

senghenydd1913 wrote:
stlowe wrote:It's interesting that for a Welshman who claims not to be a WUM and a holder of multiple accounts, your posting history shows on the day of the Ire-Wal & Fra-Eng QFs you commented on England's loss, but not Wales' success. Then you didn't comment again for the rest of the WC, neither on selection or build up to your SF or play-off. Neither did you comment on PRO12 or HC rugby in the weeks after, in fact your next post came over a month later with jibes over England captaincy and managers, and you've commented exclusively on England topics since.

If you're not a WUM, then you seem pretty obsessed with us and not interested in any other rugby.
EErr I was in NZ watching the WC-why should I comment on On the Success of my country when I'd have dipsticks like you saying we were crowing-grow up,get a life that doesnt include trawling peeps posting history looking for things that are'nt there-
As of today,would you care to comment on the chaos that is the RFU?

What makes that all the more convincing is that it wasn't in your original reply to his post from 2 days ago. Shame it took you so long to think of it.

by Hood83 Thu 24 Nov 2011, 9:20 pm

stlowe wrote:
Gatts wrote:But not so obsessed that you would examine every aspect of someone's posting history to make your point?

Every aspect? A couple of clicks on his profile showed everything I needed to see on one screen. It took seconds to see precious few comments within a couple of months and only on England's failings rather than anything on his own team's successes. When you smell a rat, curiosity often needs to be sated.

I have no problem with Welsh posters commenting on England's many problems, but as someone above states, the OP didn't reveal anything new, asked no questions or had any significant point for discussion. There was nothing that couldn't have been added to already running and active topics (where incidentally I didn't say anything against posters commenting on England). What the forum doesn't need is multiple account posters whose intention it is to create maximum attention for fishing expeditions for Anglo-Welsh ill feeling, that's what most of us hoped to leave behind on the old 606. If you can be bothered to look at my posting history on here or the old place you would find that I castigate WUMs from both sides. As a first generation Brit with Swedish ancestry I find the inciting almost exclusive to a minority of English & Welsh posters rather pathetic and make no bones about highlighting posters for what they really are, so that hopefully they are shamed rather than each of the nations.

Basically, spot on. On this 'farce' though - thought it amusing that Squeaky fails to see that some people might think taking full responsibility should result in his resignation.

In a really weird way, i'm actually slightly bouyed by some of the comments. Some of the stuff on basic logistical balls-ups suggests to me that there were obvious ways that England's performances could have been improved. Stuff like having guys who'd done weights stuck in traffic jams seizing up and not training in the evenings to acclimatise prior to the France game. I don't for a second advocate bringing back SCW, but having a manager/planner capable of noticing these 1 per cents is clearly important. England may not be good enough for changes to these aspects to make a difference, but we;re certainly not good enough to not get those things 100% right and still win.

by robbo277 Thu 24 Nov 2011, 11:06 pm

If not many people want to see the red rose in disarray, why is the entire rugby world going to relish seeing us on a rocky road?

by Glas a du Fri 25 Nov 2011, 6:02 am

Poetry. We are a romantic lot. For romance you need ying and yang. It's the ache of loss which makes the final victory bliss.

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