Who will be behind the Hayemaker!?

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I said before that it would be a shame if Haye retired he still has so much to offer. Now it looks like Haye is back! Who will be behind him? I cant wait for this fight with Vitali I will be firmly supporting Haye. I think the British public should get behind him again we want a British heavyweight world champion dont we!? Haye will have learned from his last fight make no mistake about that and we all know he has the tools to beat Vitali who is old and slow now and far too easy to hit. My prediction? Haye to KO Vitali in round 6! Too much speed and power for Vitali and too much skill. I think Haye will bring an end to the Klichkos reign. Dont get me wrong, the Klichkos have been good champs but they are boring and have been ruining heavyweight boxing for far too long. Vitali should have stayed retired and let Wlad unify and Wlad should have retired after that the division would be so much better and the Klichkos reputation would be better. But I truly believe Haye is the man to do this now he is the most exciting heavyweight out there and has the charisma to get people back interested in boxing. I hope the British public and media realise this everyone deserves another chance and Haye deserves MASSIVE credit for coming back to take such a challenging fight. So in March who will you be supporting?? Will you be getting behind the Hayemaker again??

I would agree with that I give him pretty much no chance of winning this even if all 10 toes are fully functioning!

It isn't in Hayes nature to go to war and it wouldn't be wise against a man who he probably doesn't have the power to floor and who definitely has the power to floor Haye.

He will need to use his head movement which was good against Wladimir and his quick feet and try and counter Vitalis jab. I'm not convinced he can do this I really don't think he can win this fight. I would be surprised to see him go 12 rounds.

rowley wrote:Am a Sheffield lad so can't bring myself to have a dig at Johnny but his prescence in the top ten does tell you everything you need to know about cruiser.

You shouldn't support people just because they're born on the same bit of rock as you someone wise once told me.

Being a Yorkshire man is different Alex.

rowley wrote:Being a Yorkshire man is different Alex.

Yeah Alex - not nice to mock the mentally unbalanced.

prettyboykev wrote:I would agree with that I give him pretty much no chance of winning this even if all 10 toes are fully functioning!

It isn't in Hayes nature to go to war and it wouldn't be wise against a man who he probably doesn't have the power to floor and who definitely has the power to floor Haye.

He will need to use his head movement which was good against Wladimir and his quick feet and try and counter Vitalis jab. I'm not convinced he can do this I really don't think he can win this fight. I would be surprised to see him go 12 rounds.

I wouldnt advocaate going to war with Vitali but I mean he needs to take more risks. He has to be prepared to risk being knocked out or taking some punishment to make his own offence work.

I actually have more sympathy for Hayes performance than alot of people as I think its just an underrated aspect of wlad, and to a lesser extent, Vitalis style that the control range so well that you can be rendered pretty clueless looking. In the past Klitschko critics (and Haye amongst others) have dismissed this a little easily as opponents who arent turning up to win, looking for a paycheque etc when I think the reality is they are just completely shut down on a technical level and cant find a way through.

However with Haye it did seem his strategy was almost entirely based on landing a big punch rather than trying to outbox Wlad and taking the KO as a bonus. But like most of the others Wlad just took away his platform and left him looking pretty average and just out to survive.

alma wrote:I always like what you say on here Manos. As you say the Valuev win wasn't massively impressive. The 2003 Roy Jones that beat Ruiz easily would probably have won every round employing similar tactics and he would have been 130 lbs lighter

I agree I think a 2003 Jones beats Valuev more easily using similar tactics. Probably more vunerable than Haye if he does get clipped but think his all around movement would be superior.

rowley wrote:Being a Yorkshire man is different Alex.

As a fellow Yorkshireman, I agree.

AlexHuckerby wrote:

rowley wrote:Being a Yorkshire man is different Alex.

As a fellow Yorkshireman, I agree.

As a fellow Yorkshireman, I also agree...as long as it doesn't cost me anything to do so.

Maybe it's because I am coming down with a cold, but the fight isn't even announced and I am already bored with it. Yes, if it happens I will support Haye. I am shallow enough to support him because he's British. Do I think he will do any better than against Wlad the Inhaler? No, because he is a hit and run boxer and that tactic will not trouble Vitali. Personally, I could do without the "three weeks of build up, a two week break for Christmas, too late to get it signed in January for March and so it all ends up in May or June" that this will turn into.

Agreeing with you a bit there bhb001, i can't be bothered with it either.

bhb001 wrote:Maybe it's because I am coming down with a cold, but the fight isn't even announced and I am already bored with it. Yes, if it happens I will support Haye. I am shallow enough to support him because he's British. Do I think he will do any better than against Wlad the Inhaler? No, because he is a hit and run boxer and that tactic will not trouble Vitali. Personally, I could do without the "three weeks of build up, a two week break for Christmas, too late to get it signed in January for March and so it all ends up in May or June" that this will turn into.

I'm coming down with a cold too...

Just becuase he is British doen't mean i should or would ever back the man.

I unairingly dislike him, his displays against Harrison and then Wlad tell me all I need to know about him, he is a fraud and just because he says he is exicting doesn't mean he is. AND I certainly wont be paying to watch it, unless the undercard is speacial.

Hope they do fight though, only one outcome Haye's power doesnt seem to have carried to Heavy, so no way he is gonna KO Vitali, who will if not at the start, catch up with him and batter violently him into retirement!

I actually think Haye hits hard at Heavy... Seem to be in the minority on that though, maybe not hard enough to KO Vitali in one punch, but has enough to get Vitali out of there over the course of the fight if he can find the chin.

There is no evidence of this though is there. He has failed to show this power against Valuev, who he could have hit blindfolded, Ruiz who was 5 years finished, Wlad with his allegedly suspect chin, hell even Harrison was left standing!

Failed to show his power against Valuev? Who else has staggered him like that?

Lot of anti-Haye bandwagon jumping. Wonder how many made these sorts of comments before he faced the #1 Heavyweight.

Wobbled Valuev, a man who has never been wobbled or looked close to being wobbled, Ruiz super durable knocked him down and had him unconcious (Unbelievably he managed to wake up) with a perfect shot moving backwards. Harrison was only left standing because he was prepared for all the shots and to be fair to the man he took some corkers when on the ropes, if the ref let it go on, Audley would not have been standing much longer.

In your opinion, Ruiz WAS durable, 5 maybe 10 years ago, but what about Wlad and his glass chin?

Keep Clutching!!

Scott

I said the same before the Wlad fight, and IMO he hit Valuev on the neck , he just lost balance, wasnt even remotely hurt.

Not to be overly anti Haye here, but I do feel his wobbling of Valuev was down to Valuev just being knackered and dead on his feet rather than a great indicator of Hayes power.

Having said that, using Valuev as an acid test for power isnt really fair. The guy is enormous with a head like a boulder thats hard to even reach so failure to get rid of him is by no means an indication of lack of power.

When did he catch Wlad cleanly with a powershot or combination?

I'm not the one that needs to keep clutching, you're citing fights he won by stoppage, one against a guy that's never been hurt and one where he barely landed.

I come back down from the naughty step and......

JDandfries wrote:In your opinion, Ruiz WAS durable, 5 maybe 10 years ago, but what about Wlad and his glass chin?

Keep Clutching!!

Scott

I said the same before the Wlad fight, and IMO he hit Valuev on the neck , he just lost balance, wasnt even remotely hurt.

Lost balance? That's funny, because the fight i watched had Valuev on jelly legs. That wasn't a slip, his legs did a funny dance...

Not even remotely hurt? Get real sunshine.

JDandfries wrote:In your opinion, Ruiz WAS durable, 5 maybe 10 years ago, but what about Wlad and his glass chin?

Keep Clutching!!

Scott

I said the same before the Wlad fight, and IMO he hit Valuev on the neck , he just lost balance, wasnt even remotely hurt.

Get real, Valuev wasn't hurt?? My goodness me, the guys eyes went, his arms dropped and his legs did a little dance, you could see by the stony expression on his face he was temporarily all over the place. I do't even see how it's debatable.

coxy0001 wrote:I come back down from the naughty step and......

Again. You wear it like it's some sort of badge of honour.

JD is not the most objective people to argue with about David Haye. I tried it once and he claimed that David Haye's comments prior to the Harrison fight were as bad as the 'actual' act that Tyson is alledged to have been a part of.

As for the thread, I actually want Vitali to win, and I think he will do so with relative ease.

Felt let down with Hayes performance against Wlad,but will be supporting Haye most definitely against Vitali.

It will be interesting to see if Vitali carrys his left hand low like he did
against Adamek,if he does Haye will take that as an invitation to throw the right hand.

I keep saying it ,Haye has got to try and set a pace Vitali isn't comfortable with,lets Vitali dictate the pace and I don't think he stands a chance.
Vitali is strong as an ox but his still 40 next year.

Valuev was getting battered by Chagaev - a decent hitter - not great.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:I come back down from the naughty step and......

Again. You wear it like it's some sort of badge of honour.

To be honest you should be thanking me as Azania also got the same punishment, took one for the team!

And to answer the OP, i'll be rooting for Haye as i've followed his career since he was an amateur and although i think he gets battered senseless (or goes on the run again and makes himself a bigger laughing stock) i'll still be rooting for him.

Yeah ok, so the evidence shows that Haye hits like a freight train!

Dear me!

Coxy, I never said he slipped, he just lost balance, mis placed his foot thats all!

Scott he caught Wlad in teh 3rd and 12th as I remember, but old glass face seemed to stand up pretty well

haye will smash his jaw , take him out and send him into retierment ! klits going down ! a bit over the top maybe but i will be there fully behind the hayemaker , i do think vit will be just too big and strong for him but he does have so much speed to trouble vit so maybe just maybe redemption is on the cards !

Ry, can I interest you in buying some magic beans, be quick though I offered them to Waingro earlier and I only have a limited supply.

rowley wrote:Ry, can I interest you in buying some magic beans, be quick though I offered them to Waingro earlier and I only have a limited supply.

If you buy Jeff's and find they do not work I also have some for sale that definitely, definitely do work.

Not sure I like what you are implying about my magic beans Bamber.

rowley wrote:Ry, can I interest you in buying some magic beans, be quick though I offered them to Waingro earlier and I only have a limited supply.

Yorkshireman's way of cow rustling? Move over Wild Wild West.

rowley wrote:Not sure I like what you are implying about my magic beans Bamber.

My beans are infused with superluminal neutrinos. No bean is more magical. They are also quality.

Quality in the same way Haye is quality? If so I'll let it be, ry, waingro, buy Bamber's beans, it would appear they are far more magic than mine.

Bamber's beans fight the top black beans around Jeff, and yours don't. That's why Bamber's are more quality than yours.

rowley i think you mean they have more quality.

Bit gutted Chris, have invested quite heavily in these beans and would not like to get stuck with them, although given there appear to be no end to the number of people still willing to believe Haye is a top drawer heavyweight I may be underestimating folks gulibility.

I back Haye to win either by late KO or UD (depending where the fight is held). I've always said that Haye would lose to Wlad and beat Vit. Vit is slow and ponderous. He may look devestating against boxers who use their face to injure his fists, and who believe a counter is something in Burger King where you pay for your meal.

Haye knows he will have to be more busy and not rely on one punch to end the fight. He will be more risky because he will find that Vit is slow with poor footwork. Haye will show him angles and hit him with accurate lead rights and get out of range.

No boxer is impervious to a good punch on the chin. Too much is made of that uppercut. If that punch had landed on the chin as opposed to full in the face, Vit would have been floored.

Haye to win......comfortably.

azania wrote:I back Haye to win either by late KO or UD (depending where the fight is held). I've always said that Haye would lose to Wlad and beat Vit. Vit is slow and ponderous. He may look devestating against boxers who use their face to injure his fists, and who believe a counter is something in Burger King where you pay for your meal.

Haye knows he will have to be more busy and not rely on one punch to end the fight. He will be more risky because he will find that Vit is slow with poor footwork. Haye will show him angles and hit him with accurate lead rights and get out of range.

No boxer is impervious to a good punch on the chin. Too much is made of that uppercut. If that punch had landed on the chin as opposed to full in the face, Vit would have been floored.

Haye to win......comfortably.

What was that you were saying about gullible people, Jeff!?

If you build it, they will come.

Brilliant Film.

az you genuinely believe haye will win...

Haye is a "quality" heavyweight who provides "quality" entertainment.

Azania, I had some modicum of sympathy for your one man crusade against the sepia loving bullies on this board but what you have just wrote makes you sound foolish. Poor show man! Poor show!

The current state of the heavyweight scene, means that I'd be more interested in this fight than any else that I can think of off hand. Saying that I agree with the sentiment of being let down by Haye, I didn't pick him to beat Wlad, but that doesn't stop me feeling cheated by the spectical.

The way that I expect Dan Rafael on ESPN, to get stuck into him as "Haye the ducker", may sway me to root for Haye a bit. For my maintained support Haye would need to market this fight in a polar oposite to the brash way he has his other contests though, but what are the chances of that?

88Chris05 wrote:

azania wrote:I back Haye to win either by late KO or UD (depending where the fight is held). I've always said that Haye would lose to Wlad and beat Vit. Vit is slow and ponderous. He may look devestating against boxers who use their face to injure his fists, and who believe a counter is something in Burger King where you pay for your meal.

Haye knows he will have to be more busy and not rely on one punch to end the fight. He will be more risky because he will find that Vit is slow with poor footwork. Haye will show him angles and hit him with accurate lead rights and get out of range.

No boxer is impervious to a good punch on the chin. Too much is made of that uppercut. If that punch had landed on the chin as opposed to full in the face, Vit would have been floored.

Haye to win......comfortably.

What was that you were saying about gullible people, Jeff!?

Ha. We'll see if and when the fight happens. I've never been too sold on Vit. His rep in the UK comes from his loss to Lennox who was taking it easy in training thinking he had to face Kirk Johnson. Totally underprepared and faded Lewis still cut him to shreds and was getting the better of the exchanges when the fight ended.

We say the best of Vit then. 8 years later, much older and slower, he is ripe for the taking. Much of it depends on Haye and how he approaches the fight. If he is cautious, he loses. I dont believe he will be cautious as he knows that in Germany you have to KO them to get a draw. He also knows that Vit takes a better punch that Wlad and cant rely on a hail Mary. Plus Haye has under-rated boxing skills. You dont become an amateur world silver medalist without being able to box a little given the type of scoring they have in the amateur game.

Vit will come forward believing his own hype about his chin and wanting to do a number on Haye. Haye will pick him off with relative ease as Vit has a pourous defence.

A win for Haye will set up a re-match with Wlad for the unified title where Haye loses by KO this time.

Super D Boon wrote:Azania, I had some modicum of sympathy for your one man crusade against the sepia loving bullies on this board but what you have just wrote makes you sound foolish. Poor show man! Poor show!

Styles make fights. Vit now is ready made for Haye whereas Wlad is not. Vit takes chances, Wlad does not. This fight will be very different from the Wlad fight. Wlad fights scared.

azania wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

azania wrote:I back Haye to win either by late KO or UD (depending where the fight is held). I've always said that Haye would lose to Wlad and beat Vit. Vit is slow and ponderous. He may look devestating against boxers who use their face to injure his fists, and who believe a counter is something in Burger King where you pay for your meal.

Haye knows he will have to be more busy and not rely on one punch to end the fight. He will be more risky because he will find that Vit is slow with poor footwork. Haye will show him angles and hit him with accurate lead rights and get out of range.

No boxer is impervious to a good punch on the chin. Too much is made of that uppercut. If that punch had landed on the chin as opposed to full in the face, Vit would have been floored.

Haye to win......comfortably.

What was that you were saying about gullible people, Jeff!?

Ha. We'll see if and when the fight happens. I've never been too sold on Vit. His rep in the UK comes from his loss to Lennox who was taking it easy in training thinking he had to face Kirk Johnson. Totally underprepared and faded Lewis still cut him to shreds and was getting the better of the exchanges when the fight ended.

We say the best of Vit then. 8 years later, much older and slower, he is ripe for the taking. Much of it depends on Haye and how he approaches the fight. If he is cautious, he loses. I dont believe he will be cautious as he knows that in Germany you have to KO them to get a draw. He also knows that Vit takes a better punch that Wlad and cant rely on a hail Mary. Plus Haye has under-rated boxing skills. You dont become an amateur world silver medalist without being able to box a little given the type of scoring they have in the amateur game.

Vit will come forward believing his own hype about his chin and wanting to do a number on Haye. Haye will pick him off with relative ease as Vit has a pourous defence.

A win for Haye will set up a re-match with Wlad for the unified title where Haye loses by KO this time.

Haye didn't really go for the KO first time round in Germany though even though he knew he was losing, i don't think Haye will have the confidence he had before the Wlad fight.

Oh and as for who I will be chearing for. Haye. No jingoism or nationalism (impossible as I'm not british).

The Galveston Giant wrote:

azania wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

azania wrote:I back Haye to win either by late KO or UD (depending where the fight is held). I've always said that Haye would lose to Wlad and beat Vit. Vit is slow and ponderous. He may look devestating against boxers who use their face to injure his fists, and who believe a counter is something in Burger King where you pay for your meal.

Haye knows he will have to be more busy and not rely on one punch to end the fight. He will be more risky because he will find that Vit is slow with poor footwork. Haye will show him angles and hit him with accurate lead rights and get out of range.

No boxer is impervious to a good punch on the chin. Too much is made of that uppercut. If that punch had landed on the chin as opposed to full in the face, Vit would have been floored.

Haye to win......comfortably.

What was that you were saying about gullible people, Jeff!?

Ha. We'll see if and when the fight happens. I've never been too sold on Vit. His rep in the UK comes from his loss to Lennox who was taking it easy in training thinking he had to face Kirk Johnson. Totally underprepared and faded Lewis still cut him to shreds and was getting the better of the exchanges when the fight ended.

We say the best of Vit then. 8 years later, much older and slower, he is ripe for the taking. Much of it depends on Haye and how he approaches the fight. If he is cautious, he loses. I dont believe he will be cautious as he knows that in Germany you have to KO them to get a draw. He also knows that Vit takes a better punch that Wlad and cant rely on a hail Mary. Plus Haye has under-rated boxing skills. You dont become an amateur world silver medalist without being able to box a little given the type of scoring they have in the amateur game.

Vit will come forward believing his own hype about his chin and wanting to do a number on Haye. Haye will pick him off with relative ease as Vit has a pourous defence.

A win for Haye will set up a re-match with Wlad for the unified title where Haye loses by KO this time.

Haye didn't really go for the KO first time round in Germany though even though he knew he was losing, i don't think Haye will have the confidence he had before the Wlad fight.

Thats because Wlad boxed brilliantly behind the jab and didn't allow Haye to do his thing. I think praise should be given to Wlad as opposed to criticism of Haye.

Vit will give Haye more opportunities as he is not a good a boxer as Wlad.

i don't care who wins tbh, it could be both's last fights so i just hope it's a good one