BBC Sports Personality of the Year

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The BBC have announced this year’s nominations for the Sports Personality of the Year and they are as follows:


Alistair Cook
Amir Khan
Andrew Strauss
Andy Murray
Dai Greene
Darren Clarke
Luke Donald
Mark Cavendish
Mo Farah
Rory McIlroy

I’d like to ask people who are knowledgeable on any of the above nominations to submit to me a brief paragraph or two with the nominees achievements over the past 12 months and the reasons for why they should be included. If you are interested in this please PM me.

Do you agree with the nominees? Are there any glaring omissions? And most importantly who do you think will win?

Arent most Olympic sports judged by a panel of judges.

Cancel the Olympics!

Cannot believe what I am reading.

seems like Cavendish is having a huge surge up the rankings in our poll, up to equal first as I type. Now surely if on this board which hardly has a massive cycling fan base he can come out on top there's a chance he could do so in the actual voting? Or am I wildly over-optimistic?

Mad for Chelsea wrote:seems like Cavendish is having a huge surge up the rankings in our poll, up to equal first as I type. Now surely if on this board which hardly has a massive cycling fan base he can come out on top there's a chance he could do so in the actual voting? Or am I wildly over-optimistic?

I think he might. A split vote on cricket and golf, and to a certain extent athletics (although I think Farah will clearly lead that), and he’s the only cyclist.

I'll let Boxing off, as there is no "artistic " merit nonsense with the judging.

But you'd be hard pressed to argue F1, Cricket, American Football or Snooker quaified.

Stop, please stop.

If boxing stars are allowed onto the poll then so should Hulk hogan.

From BBC...

Chrissie Wellington, who won her fourth Ironman world championship title in October, has also criticised the make-up of the list.
"No women in @bbcspoty top ten," she wrote on Twitter. "Its not about me, its about the need to celebrate achievements of so many female GBR athletes. Disgraceful."

A woman Ironman?

Stick to the modelling, love...

Spoiler:

Union cane

You might be up for the biggest sexist arse hole of the year award at this rate.


And i know, the boxing comment was not funny.

McLaren wrote:Union cane

You might be up for the biggest sexist arse hole of the year award at this rate.

As long as it's just the sexist sub-category and not across the board. You've got that locked.

actually wouldn't have had a problem with Chrissie Wellington being nominated either.

McLaren wrote:Union cane

You might be up for the biggest sexist arse hole of the year award at this rate.

Did saying that seem like a good idea at the time?

(You can let me know tomorrow...)

If that is hinting you're going to ban him Union you're out of order, your comment was sexist, can't blame the guy for calling you on it.

Cavendish leads the poll

rowley wrote:If that is hinting you're going to ban him Union you're out of order, your comment was sexist, can't blame the guy for calling you on it.

I think it’s because he didn’t capitalise the name of the award.

As they say Union:

Iron Man is a superhero.
Iron woman is a command.

Fair enough Scott, Union has always been pretty zero tolerance about that kind of thing.

Could i please change my vote.

Is that possible?

Scottrf wrote:Boxing, Golf, Formula 1, Cricket, American Football, Snooker, Horse Racing and possibly Rugby and Football need to be removed from the BBC Sports pages.

Super_Realist wrote:I'll let Boxing off, as there is no "artistic " merit nonsense with the judging.

But you'd be hard pressed to argue F1, Cricket, American Football or Snooker quaified.

Please explain why American Football isn't a sport in your view.

American Football is just a joke. Played by no one but American's, too much protective gear, too many stop/starts, too many substitutions.

Probably a tough, physical game, but really stupid and unneccessary and pointless.

Gay trousers too. How can anyone think those are "sporty"

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Cavendish leads the poll

Unfortunately the SPOTY is not decided by 606ers!

never mind cabbage, winning the 606 poll is surely the true sign of sporting greatness. SPOTY is decided (mostly) by a bunch of ignorant football fans

super_realist wrote:American Football is just a joke. Played by no one but American's, too much protective gear, too many stop/starts, too many substitutions.

Probably a tough, physical game, but really stupid and unneccessary and pointless.

Gay trousers too. How can anyone think those are "sporty"

What about all that g@y padding too...?

(Funniest post I've read all day by the way!)

Mad for Chelsea wrote:never mind cabbage, winning the 606 poll is surely the true sign of sporting greatness. SPOTY is decided (mostly) by a bunch of ignorant football fans

what's your name again...? ;-)

super_realist wrote:American Football is just a joke. Played by no one but American's, too much protective gear, too many stop/starts, too many substitutions.

Probably a tough, physical game, but really stupid and unneccessary and pointless.

Gay trousers too. How can anyone think those are "sporty"

You should be glad it exists , Christ knows how many more individual sports America would have dominated even more if it wasnt for a lot of their best athletes playing gridiron.

cabbagesandbrussels wrote:

Mad for Chelsea wrote:never mind cabbage, winning the 606 poll is surely the true sign of sporting greatness. SPOTY is decided (mostly) by a bunch of ignorant football fans

what's your name again...? ;-)

I didn't vote for Ryan Giggs though...

super_realist wrote:American Football is just a joke. Played by no one but American's, too much protective gear, too many stop/starts, too many substitutions.

Probably a tough, physical game, but really stupid and unneccessary and pointless.

Gay trousers too. How can anyone think those are "sporty"

Well seeing as I play it I can say it clearly isn't played by just American's, which sports which have an hour of playing time in a game don't have stops? Protective gear is there for a reason and doesn't actually stop it from hurting, also which sports don't have any form of protection? Although they're called "game pants" I would say they're shorts not trousers, what you consider to be "gay" is your opinion. What makes it "really stupid and unneccessary and pointless"? What qualifies a sport as necessary?

Game Pants

Personally I would say American Football is more of a sport thensay Golf or Snooker, but can see how all are sports in their own right. not a big fan of either american football or golf though really American Football is too stop start and golf can be mind numbingly boring to watch (and no weirdly, I don't find snooker boring at all!)


Am so glad Cavendish is leading the poll on here. What he's achieved this year, in such a tough, competitive and gruelling sport, is truly incredible. So hope he wins it.

SR's list of sports:

Running
Cycling

Some people are going beserk over the 100% Winkle specific list this year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/sports_personality/15936294.stm

Super D Boon wrote:Some people are going beserk over the 100% Winkle specific list this year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/sports_personality/15936294.stm

As it was delightfully put somewhere else:

"Adlington said "Hopefully next it will be all women". Well it wont spoon face so f--- off."

Personally I would discount any golfer from winning any sports award (except for golf awards). Golf is recreation plus any sport where a 50 year old is competitive in heir elite tournaments is not really a sport. Skilled game yes, but please. Its as dull as dishwater and makes cricket look exciting.

I'd go for Mo Farrar.

Motor racing is dependant on the skill of the mechanics more than the driver. I mean if Bamon Hill can beat Schuey, its not thru skill but because he had the better car.

azania wrote:Personally I would discount any golfer from winning any sports award (except for golf awards). Golf is recreation plus any sport where a 50 year old is competitive in heir elite tournaments is not really a sport. Skilled game yes, but please. Its as dull as dishwater and makes cricket look exciting.

I'd go for Mo Farrar.

Motor racing is dependant on the skill of the mechanics more than the driver. I mean if Bamon Hill can beat Schuey, its not thru skill but because he had the better car.

Who are Mo Farrar and Bamon Hill?

Scottrf wrote:

azania wrote:Personally I would discount any golfer from winning any sports award (except for golf awards). Golf is recreation plus any sport where a 50 year old is competitive in heir elite tournaments is not really a sport. Skilled game yes, but please. Its as dull as dishwater and makes cricket look exciting.

I'd go for Mo Farrar.

Motor racing is dependant on the skill of the mechanics more than the driver. I mean if Bamon Hill can beat Schuey, its not thru skill but because he had the better car.

Who are Mo Farrar and Bamon Hill?

Muppets?

[quote="azania"]

Scottrf wrote:

azania wrote:Personally I would discount any golfer from winning any sports award (except for golf awards). Golf is recreation plus any sport where a 50 year old is competitive in heir elite tournaments is not really a sport. Skilled game yes, but please. Its as dull as dishwater and makes cricket look exciting.

I'd go for Mo Farrar.

Motor racing is dependant on the skill of the mechanics more than the driver. I mean if Bamon Hill can beat Schuey, its not thru skill but because he had the better car.

Who are Mo Farrar and Bamon Hill?

You must box

skyeman wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

azania wrote:Personally I would discount any golfer from winning any sports award (except for golf awards). Golf is recreation plus any sport where a 50 year old is competitive in heir elite tournaments is not really a sport. Skilled game yes, but please. Its as dull as dishwater and makes cricket look exciting.

I'd go for Mo Farrar.

Motor racing is dependant on the skill of the mechanics more than the driver. I mean if Bamon Hill can beat Schuey, its not thru skill but because he had the better car.

Who are Mo Farrar and Bamon Hill?

You must box

Why is that?

Scottrf wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:Some people are going beserk over the 100% Winkle specific list this year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/sports_personality/15936294.stm

As it was delightfully put somewhere else:

"Adlington said "Hopefully next it will be all women". Well it wont spoon face so f--- off."

Trouble is the PC brigade, various female labour politicians and an assortment of man hating lesbians will have their way and make sure the list has at least 50% women next year, even if they have no business being there.

Scottrf wrote:

skyeman wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

azania wrote:Personally I would discount any golfer from winning any sports award (except for golf awards). Golf is recreation plus any sport where a 50 year old is competitive in heir elite tournaments is not really a sport. Skilled game yes, but please. Its as dull as dishwater and makes cricket look exciting.

I'd go for Mo Farrar.

Motor racing is dependant on the skill of the mechanics more than the driver. I mean if Bamon Hill can beat Schuey, its not thru skill but because he had the better car.

Who are Mo Farrar and Bamon Hill?

You must box

Why is that?

Not you Scott.

any reason why this lady couldn't have been included?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/triathlon/14870332.stm


There are plenty of female options out there to qualify for this award, and on merit, not just for it to be PC. I think all 10 men here are all worthy as well, but I fail to see how difficult it would have been to include the likes of Helen Jenkins. I would say she's achieved more this year than say Amir Khan.

rugbydreamer wrote:any reason why this lady couldn't have been included?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/triathlon/14870332.stm


There are plenty of female options out there to qualify for this award, and on merit, not just for it to be PC. I think all 10 men here are all worthy as well, but I fail to see how difficult it would have been to include the likes of Helen Jenkins. I would say she's achieved more this year than say Amir Khan.

Well, technically it is because she's female. She wouldn't have won in an open field.

But yeah no reason other than triathlon not being a sport many follow.

Exactly Scott and that's the problem, it's about popular sports now, no the actual achievements themselves. And when you factor in the struggle some sports get for recognition, and the troubles females have of getting media coverage on top of that, it's not a surprise that there's no representation in the top 10, although I personally find it very very sad. We have many female world champions out there this year, I am a bit baffled not one made the list, when you factor in that Murray is in the list,a nd sure he's won some Masters' events, but he still hasn't won a Slam.

I think Murray could be in the list because he went from world No4 to world No3

I hope that's not the case YI!

I think it's more likely because he made 3 out of the 4 slam finals, which yes is amazing, but when you consider that a Slam is the greatest prize on offer, a bit like a world championship title is in triathalon, where he failed to win one, and Helen Jenkins won one, I find it baffling he's included ahead of someone like her. You could even argue Alistair Brownlee who won the men's triathalon, should be in there before Murray.

Y I Man wrote:I think Murray could be in the list because he went from world No4 to world No3

And back to No 4 on sunday.

I'm hoping someone is going to add to my Murray vote soon.

Murray is only on the list to get the Scottish vote

Whatever

Sorry GG I went for Khan just ahead of Mcilroy. The last awards was before his win over Maidana so that should be taken into account along with his win over Judah which was very good even if Judah was past it.

So much for the Scottish vote!

Upon behalf of the Surrey cricket posters, can I ask how Viscount Tim Linley's name has been missed off the list?

Who is Dai Greene? Never heard of him.

I've voted for Mo Farah. He'll go down as a great and is a top bloke too!