Sturm v Murray

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Who do you think will win? I am surprised this fight is not getting more coverage to be honest. Murray is unbeaten and Sturm has been the current champion for 5 years so should be a very good fight.

I reckon sturm will KO Murrey in the 8th round.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:No it was a robbery, murray threw shots and hit sturms arms while murray's head was being knocked back with every power shot. Murray couldn't sustain attacks, sturm controlled him and forced the action. It was a close decision but a clear one

Eh? Sturm didn't control him, wasn't even in most of the rounds! As for shots landing on arms - you do know which guy was Murray and which was Sturm right??

In the second half of the fight, when watt was going crazy over murray's combinations, bar the 8th round, they were all arms shots where 5 would hit the arms and only one would land. Murray caught alot of sturms jabs on the gloves, but he was still getting clipped, you could see his head moving backwards and most of sturms uppercuts where cutting through murrays guard

If we agree that most rounds were very, very tight, then we can have no complaints with any result, really, even a wide rounds margin. We're just hoping that the law of averages evens out, but people see fights differently.

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JDandfries wrote:He said he felt sick cos of the first score, by 4 to Sturm - its not that hard to comprehend is it? Don't let your dislike for Watt cloud your judgement!

No he didn't, he didn't narrow the 'sick' feeling he felt down to one score card. He felt 'sick' at the overall decision.

Did you score the last round a draw?

Yes I did, but only because of Sturms last 10 seconds, apart from that Murray was doin all the work!

U can always listen or watch again, sure Watt says he is sick over result because of first score

Anyone who had Sturm winning by 4 rounds in my opinion must have completely ignored what Murray did. I had Murray by 2 rounds, a draw in germany is fair enough. 116-112, don't make me laugh. Sturm hit gloves most of the time, his most effective punch was a jab, I lost count the number of times Murray's left hook clocked Sturm pretty cleanly. I like most people on here totally wrote Murray off, but he proved me wrong. At no point was Sturm dominating, the last round was close where sturm had a good 15 seconds at the end. Just my 2 cents but I cannot for the life of me see 116-112 for Sturm, draw at best.

Anyone who had Sturm winning by 4 rounds in my opinion must have completely ignored what Murray did. I had Murray by 2 rounds, a draw in germany is fair enough. 116-112, don't make me laugh. Sturm hit gloves most of the time, his most effective punch was a jab, I lost count the number of times Murray's left hook clocked Sturm pretty cleanly. I like most people on here totally wrote Murray off, but he proved me wrong. At no point was Sturm dominating, the last round was close where sturm had a good 15 seconds at the end. Just my 2 cents but I cannot for the life of me see 116-112 for Sturm, draw at best. Murray hurt Sturm more than Sturm hurt Murray.

In a close fight like that it is quite easy to see why it goes four rounds to Sturm. remember he won the first few then a spell in the middle. Murray threw mostly arm punches. Sturm landed the better shots in almost every round.

monzon wrote:If we agree that most rounds were very, very tight, then we can have no complaints with any result, really, even a wide rounds margin. We're just hoping that the law of averages evens out, but people see fights differently.

The rounds which were deemed close I gave most to Sturm because his punches were cleaner. Throwing 1000 punches that land on gloves or throwing 10 that hit the head. How would you score that?

Respect your opinion, but I didn't see it that way, there isn't anyone who can convince me that Sturms work was better in almost every round. He didn't throw mostly arm punches from where I was watching, the left hook was landing bang on.

Sturms jab landed consistently. Sturm is very clever he very rarely takes a step back when punches are being thrown at him. He takes them on the gloves his guard is pretty tight. When Sturm threw punches Murray backed up giving the impression that he was being bossed. That sort of thing sways judges.

The way I score fights a jab doesn't win you the fight unless you are the ring general and controlling the fight with it. Sturm lands a few jabs then murray comes back at him with good power shots. The best shots I saw sturm landing was the body shots and as the fight wore on there were less and less of them. I think we will agree to disagree, might just be Sturms style but I'm just not that impressed and I don't buy this, he won it clearly.

BoxingFan88 wrote:The way I score fights a jab doesn't win you the fight unless you are the ring general and controlling the fight with it. Sturm lands a few jabs then murray comes back at him with good power shots. The best shots I saw sturm landing was the body shots and as the fight wore on there were less and less of them. I think we will agree to disagree, might just be Sturms style but I'm just not that impressed and I don't buy this, he won it clearly.

I didn't see power shots from Murray. Even in R8 when Wat was going ape, I failed to see Sturm rocking. Watch it again without Watt's screaming banshee like impressions. Sturm wan and won confortably.

see no robbery in this, the majority of rounds were that close that i couldnt argue with any of the judges score card. both fighters were back and forth during rounds, sturm would have a good spell then murray. i had strum by 3, dont see how murray won any rounds cleanly, out worked a few times. thought this fight was there to win for murray but had him starting too slow. macklin shown that the early rounds are there to be won and he won them clearly, murray didnt.

thought for a big world title fight both fighters looked pretty average, maybe harsh on murray as he's still young, but any decent fighter should be lining up to fight strum. would back barker to step up and beat him

hogey wrote:

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:No it was a robbery, murray threw shots and hit sturms arms while murray's head was being knocked back with every power shot. Murray couldn't sustain attacks, sturm controlled him and forced the action. It was a close decision but a clear one

I dont know how you could possibly call such a close fight a robbery and until the last 5 seconds Sturm didnt manage to make the slightest dent in Murray or his defence. I dont think either man ever controlled the fight and the crowd screaming everytime Sturm clubbed Murrays tight guard may have made his offense look more potent than it really was, but when Murray did come forward Sturm looked very uncomfortable i think if a rematch is signed Sturm will lose his title.

How can it be a robbery when it seems half of you have it for Sturm and half for Murray? it may be a contentious decision, but it's only a robbery if the majority of people disagree with the decision, which in this case they clearly don't.

i thought sturm won, because their work rates were similar but i liked his work more... cleaner and crisper for me. I joked about him being jobbed, because when you watch a fight in germany where the home fighter looks like he's winning, you expect a landslide points decision.

I felt the sky commentary was getting carried away with the fact that murray was doing better than expected and translated this into him winning. Just like they did with barker v martinez. I was watching it thinking he's giving a good account of himself, but never enough to actually win a title away from home anywhere let alone germany. I was shocked at the draw. Doesn't make it a robbery - just a shock.

Re the 12th round... can't for the life of me see how anyone other than watt gives that for murray even before the last 10 seconds.

Murray was robben but tbh it was predictable if you fight in Germany you need a KO just to get a draw!!

Lets see how many more fighters Sturm can rob he is the new Sven Ottke.

I thought it was a very close fight, I didn't think either fighters work was particularly clean. Murray had greater work rate in most rounds, but I thought Sturm was cleaner with the jab. Neither fighter hurt each other for the most part so I thought a draw was pretty fair. Sturm looks finished though, just doesn't seem to have the ability to fight for more than minute a round.

Watt had him up by one, one of judges by 2... you can't cry robbery over a round or two in a fight that was extremely close.

Very close fight, no way a robbery, in fact, i think Murray probably got some more generous scoring on the back of Macklin being jobbed. No way on earth can you say that Murray won that if you don't think Macklin did. Draw isn't unfair to Murray, wonder if Barker is watching that and fancies a go, haha.

I think a lot of people had a scoreline in mind before the fight even started, and now they're defending that opinion to the hilt regardless of what actually happened during the bout.

I saw it very close, so can hardly complain.

'Sturm is quality'. Is Waingro Adam Smith?

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115-113 Sturm for me. Murray busier, Sturm had more snap in his punches. Hard to score, very close.

Waingro wrote:Murray was robben but tbh it was predictable if you fight in Germany you need a KO just to get a draw!!

Lets see how many more fighters Sturm can rob he is the new Sven Ottke.

Don't know how you can say Murray was robbed, I had Sturm by 1 round and thought either a draw or a 1 or 2 round UD to Sturm would be fair. Murray excelled himself and fair play, hopefully he gets some good fights and money off the back of it, but it was a lesser performance than Macklin who I do believe was hard done by.

Waingro wrote:Murray was robben but tbh it was predictable if you fight in Germany you need a KO just to get a draw!!

Lets see how many more fighters Sturm can rob he is the new Sven Ottke.

Murray robbed? Are you being serious? Sturm won easily and he got robbed.

Nobody got robbed.

116-112 was a bit lop-sided but it was possible to see the fight like that. Murray only definitely won round 8 IMO.

Had it 115-113 to Sturm, personally. He's capable of very clean work but his less than stellar punch output could cost him big time at some point in the future - just about got away with it here. Don't think it was a robbery either way, would add that I'd expect Sturm to win a rematch by a fairly convincing margin, though.

It was a close decision that could have gone either way, I had it 114 - 114. We get so carried away with this whole robbery malarky, this was not robbery just a close decision that could have gone either way, that ended in a draw to be fair. We scream robbery any time there's a close decision thats why it seems we are always talking about robberies, there are close decisions then there are robberies, this is the former not the latter.

No robbery for me, did not score the fight but enough rounds were close enough to have gone either way and rightly or wrongly these will tend to go to the champion, particularly in his own backyard, think people are perhaps only calling it a robbery as Murray performed better than almost anyone expected.

jeff... i think most of us in the early comments were reckoning that sturm got jobbed not murray... i.e i/we thought that the close rounds (which was most of them) would all go to him but obviously didn't.

For the record i don't think macklin got robbed either. He won his rounds easily but when he faded, sturm edged most of the later ones - macklin was the better fighter on the night but on a round by round basis it was a close fight.

Sturm was too lazy though, his work was probably of a better quality overall, but there just wasnt enough of it!

No Robbery, I scored it a draw, but expected that Sturm would get it as home town fighter - not sure on the 116-112 score mind you.

Well, there was a fair few close rounds and let's say you give Sturm the two really close rounds instead of 1 apiece then 8 rounds to 4 isn't crazy really.

I've never seen a fight split so many opinions!

Haven't seen it myself but some have Sturm being robbed and others Murray, you wouldn't think there would be legitimate arguments for both!

From seeing most views it appeared very close with a fair amount of people sympathising with Sturm, which I never thought i'd hear!

Regardless of whether Sturm should have won I think he's paying for the Macklin fight.

Robberies in Germany are fairly well known but the Sturm/Macklin fight gained widespread attention which was extremely negative for German boxing with even the vast majority in Germany thinking Macklin won the fight so I think the judges in the Murray fight were told to not give embarrassing scores and maybe with this in mind gave more close rounds to Murray than they normally would, hence maybe a sensible score card rather than the usual ones they give?

Valero's Conscience wrote:I've never seen a fight split so many opinions!

Haven't seen it myself but some have Sturm being robbed and others Murray, you wouldn't think there would be legitimate arguments for both!

From seeing most views it appeared very close with a fair amount of people sympathising with Sturm, which I never thought i'd hear!

Regardless of whether Sturm should have won I think he's paying for the Macklin fight.

Robberies in Germany are fairly well known but the Sturm/Macklin fight gained widespread attention which was extremely negative for German boxing with even the vast majority in Germany thinking Macklin won the fight so I think the judges in the Murray fight were told to not give embarrassing scores and maybe with this in mind gave more close rounds to Murray than they normally would, hence maybe a sensible score card rather than the usual ones they give?

I had it 6-5 to Sturm with one round drawn Valero, think it was a genuinely tight fight and that maybe Sturm had got too used to hometown decisions and hadn't felt the need to up his work rate. Don't think there was enough in it for 116-112 though, I think the judges there (and some on here) got too suckered in by the pathetic over-reaction of the German fans to every measley punch Sturm seemed to through regardless of the fact they almost all landed on arms or gloves.

Cheers TopHat, I must get round to seeing it but doubt it'll be till this weekend.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Valero's Conscience wrote:I've never seen a fight split so many opinions!

Haven't seen it myself but some have Sturm being robbed and others Murray, you wouldn't think there would be legitimate arguments for both!

From seeing most views it appeared very close with a fair amount of people sympathising with Sturm, which I never thought i'd hear!

Regardless of whether Sturm should have won I think he's paying for the Macklin fight.

Robberies in Germany are fairly well known but the Sturm/Macklin fight gained widespread attention which was extremely negative for German boxing with even the vast majority in Germany thinking Macklin won the fight so I think the judges in the Murray fight were told to not give embarrassing scores and maybe with this in mind gave more close rounds to Murray than they normally would, hence maybe a sensible score card rather than the usual ones they give?

I had it 6-5 to Sturm with one round drawn Valero, think it was a genuinely tight fight and that maybe Sturm had got too used to hometown decisions and hadn't felt the need to up his work rate. Don't think there was enough in it for 116-112 though, I think the judges there (and some on here) got too suckered in by the pathetic over-reaction of the German fans to every measley punch Sturm seemed to through regardless of the fact they almost all landed on arms or gloves.

top hat... if you had it for sturm, and the fight was a draw, how come you think the judges were influenced by the crowd in sturms favour? In your eyes presumably one judge was influenced and the other 2 just got it wrong? The judge that scored for murray was just as distant from your score as the one who gave it to sturm by 4.