Ulster v Aironi HC Rnd3 Friday 09 December 2011 KO 19.30pm

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Ulster have included new signing Stefan Terblanche in their matchday squad ahead of Friday's Heineken Cup round 3 fixture against Aironi at Ravenhill (kick off 7.30pm).

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The South African fullback arrived in Belfast over the weekend and is in contention to play some part against the Italians. The 36 year old has been drafted in on a short term deal as cover for Jared Payne who has been ruled out for the remainder of the season.
Declan Fitzpatrick is again ruled out with a neck injury suffered in the Glasgow game two weeks ago. Ruan Pienaar came through his 20 minute cameo against Scarlets on Friday unscathed and is back in contention for a starting place.

Paddy McAllister gets a start at loosehead in place of Tom Court with Court on the bench.

The Ulstermen shared a pool with Aironi in last season’s tournament and picked up 10 points from the two games, scoring ten tries in the process.

Ulster Match Day Squad to face Aironi, Friday 9th December, Ravenhill (kick-off 7.30pm)
(15-9): A D'Arcy; A Trimble, D Cave, N Spence, C Gilroy; I Humphreys, R Pienaar;
(1-8): P McAllister, R Best, J Afoa, J Muller (capt), D Tuohy, S Ferris, C Henry, P Wannenburg;
Replacements (16-23): A Kyriacou, T Court, A Macklin, L Stevenson, R Diack, P Marshall, P Jackson, S Terblanche
This season, Ulster currently sit in third place after two rounds, two points behind Clermont Auvergne and four behind leaders Leicester. Friday’s opponents Aironi are yet to register a point in this year’s competition.

I stand corrected Stand!

Anyway, does that all mean we haven't used our injury joker?

That's good news at least!

Standulstermen wrote:If that is the case notch it shows how simple the Ulster rugby public are. We still have ones arguing for Marshall over Pienaar FFS!!!!!

Just the UAFC. That incestuous little forum has gone downhill very rapidly.

Humphreys hasn't a hope of playing in the Ireland team. Hes far too unpredictable. hes behind sexton, rog(will play some part in the 6 nations) keatley and with my Leinster glasses on Madigan as well

Golden wrote:Humphreys hasn't a hope of playing in the Ireland team. Hes far too unpredictable. hes behind sexton, rog(will play some part in the 6 nations) keatley and with my Leinster glasses on Madigan as well

He's also nearly 30 so it isn't exactly going for youth. Hes not good enough for Ireland, he's not even always good enough for Ulster.

Not getting the bonus point against the Tigers is probably going to come back to haunt us, hopefully we can still get the Amlin at least but Clermont look a class above most teams in the competition and we'll be hard pressed to get a bonus point against them.

Humphreys would be behind Wallace, Paddy Wallace would be our third choice 10. The idea of missing ROG and Sexton is frightening. Keatley or Madigan aren't at that level without regular gametime.

Morgannwg wrote:But with Gordon D'arcy, BOD and maybe Earls out then they could get an opportunity? Shouldn't Deccie be building for the next world cup? That could mean disregarding ROG and having Humphreys as Sextons understudy too.

Yeah he should be, but there are four 6 nations competitions, autumn internationals, summer internationals etc. Why should he drop the likes of ROG etc if they still have a lot to offer Ireland? Having Humphreys over ROG? Wow.

Fair one. I suppose it's Kidneys choice.

I don't get the whole "prepare for the world cup" thing, by dropping all the older players and bringing in the young players straight away. You play your best team at the time. You don't just completely re-assemble a team to have a bunch of 19 year olds who will be experienced next world cup.

Why not?

Because it is just stupid. Why would you drop all your old and experienced players, just to play younger players who may be worse? You have suggested replacing ROG with Humphreys, who isn't even young. Nor is he playing well at all. There is no sense in that at all. Every player, young or old, should have to earn their place, and they must beat their competition. And it is 4 years until the world cup, with plenty of other matches to win anyways.

That was a suggestion because I didn't know his age. You could replace him with Ian Keatley or Madigan if it makes you feel better. Good luck with D'arcy and BOD at the 2015 world cup then.

Morgannwg wrote:That was a suggestion because I didn't know his age. You could replace him with Ian Keatley or Madigan if it makes you feel better. Good luck with D'arcy and BOD at the 2015 world cup then.

You would drop D'Arcy, BOD, O'Connell, ROG etc just because they are older? Even if they are still the best options we have in their respective positions? D'Arcy is our best option at 12. BOD is injured. POC is our best second row. ROG is our best backup to Sexton.

Even if Humphreys was young, what difference would it make? He hasn't been playing well so why would you have selected him over ROG? You are just replacing the older generation to anticipate for 4 years in advance. Why does it matter if they won't make it to the next World Cup? They are here now, and it is 4 years away. There is no need to drop them.

I probably wouldn't drop O'Connell just yet after seeing his performance on the weekend to be fair. Although I would introduce somebody like Devin Toner into the Ireland team at some point, they would be partering Donncha Ryan. I would also probably bring in Niall Ronan and Chris Henry (I am not sure of their ages). BOD will be out anyway and that could have been his last 6 Nations. I don't for a moment think D'Arcy is your best 12. Here I would look at McFadden and O'Malley, been unimpressed by Barnes despite him being highly rated in Munster. Back up to them, perhaps one of the Ulster centres. On the wing, Simon Zebo should be introduced.

Fly-half is an important positon. O'Gara will not be at the next world cup so why not Keatley or Madigan, it was just a suggesstion anyway. O'Gara only got to where he is now by having years and years of experience.

Morgannwg wrote:I probably wouldn't drop O'Connell just yet after seeing his performance on the weekend to be fair. Although I would introduce somebody like Devin Toner into the Ireland team at some point, they would be partering Donncha Ryan. I would also probably bring in Niall Ronan and Chris Henry (I am not sure of their ages). BOD will be out anyway and that could have been his last 6 Nations. I don't for a moment think D'Arcy is your best 12. Here I would look at McFadden and O'Malley, been unimpressed by Barnes despite him being highly rated in Munster. Back up to them, perhaps one of the Ulster centres. On the wing, Simon Zebo should be introduced.

Fly-half is an important positon. O'Gara will not be at the next world cup so why not Keatley or Madigan, it was just a suggesstion anyway. O'Gara only got to where he is now by having years and years of experience.

D'Arcy is our best 12 though. O'Malley is great, but he is playing at 13 (though I would love to see him at 12). McFadden can't replace D'Arcy at 12 at Leinster, nevermind Ireland.

You are picking some strange options here though.. very early for Zebo to be brought into the Ireland squad. Ronan? Eh no. Henry isn't good enough for Ireland I don't think.

Keatley or Madigan are not better than O'Gara yet. They have to overtake him. If he is still keeping his form and performing better than them in 4 years time, why should they be taken? That would be very poor from the 2 of them. They will overtake him when they are ready.

Not sure why D'Arcy isn't replaced at Leinster to be honest, definitely a centre past his best, although at his best solid not spectacular. I think McFadden is a better option here, both he and O'Malley look pretty handy. If you are against the selection of Ronan, who is your no.7? Unless you put SOB there with Ferris and Heaslip. Niall and Chris Henry would then be the subs/back-up. O'Mahoney would have been in here too had it not been for his apparent broken bone suffered on the weekend.

Zebo is a good option to have in the training squad. Bowe has been very average at the Ospreys, his error count seems high but Ireland could bring the best out of him.

Just an example. Biggar is not better than Stephen Jones. Although you can bet you will be seeing him more in the 6 Nations just as you did against Australia.

Morgannwg wrote:Not sure why D'Arcy isn't replaced at Leinster to be honest, definitely a centre past his best, although at his best solid not spectacular. I think McFadden is a better option here, both he and O'Malley look pretty handy. If you are against the selection of Ronan, who is your no.7? Unless you put SOB there with Ferris and Heaslip. Niall and Chris Henry would then be the subs/back-up. O'Mahoney would have been in here too had it not been for his apparent broken bone suffered on the weekend.

Zebo is a good option to have in the training squad. Bowe has been very average at the Ospreys, his error count seems high but Ireland could bring the best out of him.

Just an example. Biggar is not better than Stephen Jones. Although you can bet you will be seeing him more in the 6 Nations just as you did against Australia.

Wow. You obviously missed D'Arcy in his prime if you think at his best he was merely "solid". What do you base these opinions on mate? O'Brien is our openside, and Jennings would also be wayyy ahead of Ronan in the pecking order. As would Wallace when he returns, probably Faloon also. Ronan has been good for Munster, but most Munster fans don't even rate him all that highly (if at all). Zebo is well down the pecking order in terms of wings also, regardless of Bowe's form.

So regardless of form, you'd select on reputation? Poor decision. Yep, D'Arcy was a pretty ordinary and solid international centre, formed a great partnership with the class Brian O'Driscoll though. I thought SOB was considered a 6 or 8 for Ireland, and isn't considered to be one of those "specialist" open sides. Jennings is good, that's a fair one. Was not sure when Wallace returns but surely he isn't just going to waltz back into the team and ahead in the pecking order? Also is he not one of the eldest players in the team? I have noticed the abundance of back-rowers in Ireland, would one or two fit into the 2nd row?

Morgannwg wrote:So regardless of form, you'd select on reputation? Poor decision. Yep, D'Arcy was a pretty ordinary and solid international centre, formed a great partnership with the class Brian O'Driscoll though. I thought SOB was considered a 6 or 8 for Ireland, and isn't considered to be one of those "specialist" open sides. Jennings is good, that's a fair one. Was not sure when Wallace returns but surely he isn't just going to waltz back into the team and ahead in the pecking order? Also is he not one of the eldest players in the team? I have noticed the abundance of back-rowers in Ireland, would one or two fit into the 2nd row?

Please point out where I said that. I have already said these young players you wish to replace the ireland team with are not as good as their more experience counterparts. Not yet anyways. Ireland don't need a "specialist" openside and he is actually just as good in either 6, 7 or 8. What is your obsession with everyone having to be so young? What about Thorn for NZ, who was one of their best players at 36?

Also, D'Arcy was a fantastic centre in his prime, and part of the worlds best centre partnership at one point. Don't know what D'Arcy you have been watching. Of course he has been awful lately, but he was incredible in his prime.

Morgan

You are catching glimpses of guys and not seeing them week in week out. Not even the staunchest of Munster fans would argue for Ronan in the 6N squad. O'Mahoney has really impressed me and if he were to get the bench spot over Leamy and behind Ferris, SOB and Heaslip i think it would be positive. Henry will need to continue his good form to knock on the door but might not be too far away if he can do that.

The most impressive Irish centre this season has been Darren Cave although he doesnt look fully fit at present and his form has plateaued slightly. Spence has regressed due to his use as a 12 but Deccie does rate him. Might make the squad. Wallace looked good in his all to brief stint after the RWC. Luke Marshall has sadly been massively underused by Ulster. O'Malley could be an option if he is trusted with more HEC gametime. McFadden will be there or thereabouts too.

There is young talent there but you need to bring them through with experience. I cant see DOC retaining his spot for the 6N currently and probably Ryan but maybe Tuohy will also be ahead of him. Thats positive.

There is plenty of time for change yet and we will see a very different team by 2015.

Imagine this side;

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Ross
4. Tuohy
5. O'Connell (c)
6. Ferris
7. O'Brien
8. Heaslip
9. Murray
10. Sexton
11. Trimble
12. D'Arcy
13. Earls
14. Bowe
15. Kearney

16. Cronin 17. Court 18. Ryan 19. O'Mahony 20. Reddan 21. O'Gara 22. McFadden

That's making progress towards new blood imo. We'll be forced into trying new things with the 13 shirt and we should see some new blood at 4 and 9 too, with the age profile of our backrow and back three already pretty low.

Notch wrote:Imagine this side;

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Ross
4. Tuohy
5. O'Connell (c)
6. Ferris
7. O'Brien
8. Heaslip
9. Murray
10. Sexton
11. Trimble
12. D'Arcy
13. Earls
14. Bowe
15. Kearney

16. Cronin 17. Court 18. Ryan 19. O'Mahony 20. Reddan 21. O'Gara 22. McFadden

That's making progress towards new blood imo. We'll be forced into trying new things with the 13 shirt and we should see some new blood at 4 and 9 too, with the age profile of our backrow and back three already pretty low.

I would prefer to see Ryan over Tuohy, Jones as the starting 15 if he gets enough game time when he returns, and Spence over Earls (not going to happen though). And really hope to see POM come on at 8 as an impact sub. I would love him to bulk up even more, we would have such a monstrous back row.

Earls at 13

Morgannwg wrote:From the Ulster line-up do any of you think McCallister, Best, Henry, Humphreys, Gilroy, Spence, Cave, Trimble and D'Arcy will make the Ireland 6 Nations squad?

In order

Extend not Final, One of the first 2 names in the squad (literally) - the other is POC, No, Not a hope in hell, Maybe extended, Extended not Final, Extended, maybe Final, Yes easily, No chance.

Somebody above mentioned Chambers and Tereblanch.
Tereblanch is in a totally different league to Chambers i.e. vastly superior.

Chambers was absolutely awful this weekend.

Marshall was an improvement on Pienaer (never thought I'd say that).
Pienaer was good (a hospital pass to Cave aside) but Marshall brought a much needed energy on the pitch when we still needed a 4th try.

As others have said that game showed what a waste of space Doak is, all the back play we saw can from individual initiative - no team moves at all. This plus a flaky 10 is killing us offensively.

Also Paddy Jackson showed what can be achieved with a naturally ball player at 12 - against Aironi away I'd start him there. I would not start him at 12 in the last 2 group matches though

Standup was spot on re Tereblanch for Nelson and Afoa for Annett. Luke Marshall wil not be able to play in the group matches as not registered

Standulstermen wrote:Earls at 13

If he's fit then thats who'll play there stand I'm pretty sure. To be honest he's probably the safest bet. Cave and O'Malley have both done ok but neither are doing quite enough to jettison into the national XV. Likewise Spence. I'd imagine those 3 will feature in the extended squad and perhaps lineout for the wolfhounds. Spence and O'Malley went well a few seasons ago and perhaps is a combination for the future.

Therefore it is likely to come down to Earls v McFadden at 13. I'd take Earls any day.

The worrying thing is that will leave us with D'arcy/McFadden at 12 and Earls at 13 - a combination that lacks invention and size and is vulnerable defensively.

Fitzgerald is playing extremely well and will push hard for that 11 spot and if Bowe is not performing then maybe he should be dropped for Trimble but I doubt it.

I think based on current form, and past Kidney selections, we may see a 6N line up of:

15 Kearney
14 Bowe
13 Earls
12 D'arcy
11 Fitzgerald
10 Sexton
9 Murray
8 Heaslip
7 SOB
6 Ferris
5 POC
4 Ryan
3 Ross
2 Best
1 Healy

Bench: Court, Cronin, O'Callaghan, Leamy, O'Leary/Reddan, Trimble/McFadden, ROG

Can someone direct me to the thread where I can see a discussion on the Ulster performance from friday night please?

Did we show enough on Friday to suggest we can get 5 points next weekend?

What do people think of the Clermont v Tigers result? It looks like Clermont will get 20 points now?

Fitzgerald looked ordinary enough against Bath. He seems to have lost a couple of yards of pace since his injury last year and as a result doesn't back himself to go on the outside. A proper Test winger would have scored in the same situation against Bath.

Trimble on the other hand showed impressive acceleration and strength to score his try. Unfortunately his roving role at Ulster is not one that translates directly to Ireland, so that doesn't do him any favours. If Trimble was playing 13 for Ulster he'd be playing 13 for Ireland.

The Great Aukster wrote:Fitzgerald looked ordinary enough against Bath. He seems to have lost a couple of yards of pace since his injury last year and as a result doesn't back himself to go on the outside. A proper Test winger would have scored in the same situation against Bath.

Trimble on the other hand showed impressive acceleration and strength to score his try. Unfortunately his roving role at Ulster is not one that translates directly to Ireland, so that doesn't do him any favours. If Trimble was playing 13 for Ulster he'd be playing 13 for Ireland.

Agree with the 2nd paragraph Aukster but not the 1st. I thought Fitzgerald was superb at times. He isn't the fastest sprinter (never was) but has excellent hands and feet and is excellent in defence. He's never going to be a prolific try scorer but he's a classy player who has a lot to offer.

Did we show enough on Friday to suggest we can get 5 points next weekend?

What do people think of the Clermont v Tigers result? It looks like Clermont will get 20 points now?

Not sure about they will get a bonus at welford road. At least from an Uls perspective we hope not. More than likely they will get 5 from Aironi away and, being realistic, 4 from Ulster at home.

Which means we need 10 points to match Clermont's 19.
5 away in Italy this weekend and the win at home v leicester are a must! We are then going to need 1 bonus point at home v Leicester or away in Clermont.....Neither are impossible but getting both, taking us to 20 points is perhaps realistically too much to hope for.

Of course the other, less likely alternative is that Clermont win at leicester and Ulster go for the 2nd place finish, secured by a home win v Leicester.

To be honest our chances of winning the group without winning in France are very slim.
On that basis I would prefer a Clermont win next week as a home win against Leicester would almost certaintly secure a Amlin slot.
In would then be a case of going to France and playing without fear - who knows nothing to lose.

I agree with GA re Fitzgerald - he does some very good things but does seem to produce more than his fair share of howlers.

Has to be Trimble over Fitzgerald for me and just to show it is not Ulster bias its Ryan over Tuohy in my book.

Geoff I'd have Fitzgerald at 11 and Trimble at 14. By the sounds of it Bowe is not in great form for the Ospreys. He needs to come back and play for a good team

It looks like we need to beat the Tigers by 4 tries then! I actually think we can do it, not impressed by the Tigers at all to be honest.

One reason I want a Clermont win - Tigers might not come to Ravenhill with a full team. A defeat next week and they just might focus solely on going up the English league.

I'd prefer a draw between Tigers and Clermont.
Second prize would be a Clermont win with no LBP for the Tigers
Either would mean Tigers would be coming to Ravenhill looking for a TBP win, and Ulster should still have something to play for in France.

At the end of the day this is the championship of Europe and if any team has aspirations of winning the thing they can't be negative about any games. Ulster have never won in France and it is about time they got that monkey off their back, what better place than Clermont!

Surely a tigers home win with no bonus points for either side is best (bar a draw)?

I'd be confident of beating the Tigers at Ravenhill regardless and if Clermont win they've as good as won the group.

Beating Clermont away isn't mission impossible but its by far the hardest game left. 5 points against the tigers at Ravenhill is certainly possible.

roddersm wrote:Geoff I'd have Fitzgerald at 11 and Trimble at 14. By the sounds of it Bowe is not in great form for the Ospreys. He needs to come back and play for a good team

It looks like we need to beat the Tigers by 4 tries then! I actually think we can do it, not impressed by the Tigers at all to be honest.

It wasn't a great performance by a long stretch, reffing issues aside (don't want to sound too Welsh but... Ooh Lord... Allan Rolland!!!), we made some poor options kicking for the corner when we should have kicked the points.

Nevermind eh? Well done Ulster for beating Aironi. Keeps it interesting doesn't it. The group can literally go anyway at the moment. You'd better hope & pray that Tigers don't win next week, otherwise we will be coming to Ravenhill for the group decider! What a game that will be!

If Tigers win next week they will fancy their chances of topping the pool and rightly so.

At the minute i would be inclined to drop Bowe. His form isnt that of an international at present. I would much rather we see something different at 13 than that which we have already seen and was poor.

I want Spence to start at 13 now, and be a dark horse for 13 come the 6 nations. I genuinely believe he is the heir to BOD's throne at 13. I rate him higher than Cave, O'Malley, Barnes etc. He may have some things to iron out in his game, but he looks like the type of player who would work very hard to correct those inconsistencies in his game.

Playing a smart 12 inside him, would do wonders for his game.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Playing a smart 12 inside him, would do wonders for his game.

Well that isn't D'arcy is it.

We all know it'll be Earls at 13, though I don't agree with it.
I think that Cave has earned his chance to play there. Cave D'arcy would be very difficult to break though, and if Cave practises running at defences at speed could tie in a lot of defenders in attack opening up the Wings.

Not going to think to much about what will happen in this group yet, as still to many possiblities, will see the results next weekend and then we should have a clearer picture.

Everyone except Aironi all in with a good chance, Thank God we Got them and not Treviso, or this could be a very messy group.

Morgannwg wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Playing a smart 12 inside him, would do wonders for his game.

Well that isn't D'arcy is it.

Oh sorry, my mistake, could you point out where I said that would be D'Arcy?

Well, last night and earlier on you said Gordon D'arcy was your best 12 picked on form, to then go on and say "Of course he has been awful lately, but he was incredible in his prime.." I don't watch your teams week in week out although now I am little more knowledgable due to reading some impartial views of Ulsters fans (yourself not included here because as I said elsewhere, you are just a clown ).

Morgannwg wrote:Well, last night and earlier on you said Gordon D'arcy was your best 12 picked on form, to then go on and say "Of course he has been awful lately, but he was incredible in his prime.." I don't watch your teams week in week out although now I am little more knowledgable due to reading some impartial views of Ulsters fans (yourself not included here because as I said elsewhere, you are just a clown ).

He is our best 12 right now - so where have I pointed out he is a creative 12? I haven't? No I didn't think so..

And yes he was incredible in his prime, and hasn't been nearly as good the past few years. Does that mean he still isn't our best option at 12? There aren't any better options. McFadden has had one game at 12 so far.

Yes, so knowledgeable that you missed the part where everyone has been complaining about Humphreys form, but you think he should replace ROG. But continue to resort to name calling to cover up your ridiculous posts

Also - I find it cute that you are trying to point me wrong in my posts, to cover up your own inadequacies. You will have to try harder next time though, as you haven't managed to succeed yet

roddersm wrote:Surely a tigers home win with no bonus points for either side is best (bar a draw)?

I'd be confident of beating the Tigers at Ravenhill regardless and if Clermont win they've as good as won the group.

Beating Clermont away isn't mission impossible but its by far the hardest game left. 5 points against the tigers at Ravenhill is certainly possible.

The most points we can get, prior to the last game is 19.

If Clermont lose at Welford Road then they will probably have 15/16 points i.e. we still need to win.
If Clermont win at Welford road they will probably be on 19points i.e we need to win.

You really have to do mathematical summersaults to get us through without winning in France.
Beating Leicester and Aironi and getting a losing bonus point in France gives us 20 points.
We have to assume Clermont beat Aironi with 5 points and then there is the 4 against us = 19 points.
Leicester get 4 points against Clermont, none against us and 5 against Aironi = 17 points total.

So yes it is possible but only 1 of those points has to slip for us to be behind Clermont.
Do you honestly think we will get 5 points against Aironi, 5 points against Leicester, a losing bonus point against Clermont and Clermont dont get a losing bonus point against Leicester and dont get a try bonus point against us - I dont.

I maintain Leicester losing next week is the best result for us, should secure the Amlin spot and a win needed in France for the HC, which as explained is almost certaintly the case anyway. We lost our chance of going through on 4 wins when we didn't beat Clermont by more than 7 and we failed to get a bonus point in England.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Morgannwg wrote:Well, last night and earlier on you said Gordon D'arcy was your best 12 picked on form, to then go on and say "Of course he has been awful lately, but he was incredible in his prime.." I don't watch your teams week in week out although now I am little more knowledgable due to reading some impartial views of Ulsters fans (yourself not included here because as I said elsewhere, you are just a clown ).

He is our best 12 right now - so where have I pointed out he is a creative 12? I haven't? No I didn't think so..

And yes he was incredible in his prime, and hasn't been nearly as good the past few years. Does that mean he still isn't our best option at 12? There aren't any better options. McFadden has had one game at 12 so far.

Yes, so knowledgeable that you missed the part where everyone has been complaining about Humphreys form, but you think he should replace ROG. But continue to resort to name calling to cover up your ridiculous posts

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Also - I find it cute that you are trying to point me wrong in my posts, to cover up your own inadequacies. You will have to try harder next time though, as you haven't managed to succeed yet

Rory, you clearly said D'Arcy was your best 12 and the on form 12 (which is not true from what I have seen for more than a year) and first choice then go on to say he is playing awful . Then you come out with the above BS, so I will not be replying to your disgraceful posts on this thread from now on.

geoff998rugby wrote:
So yes it is possible but only 1 of those points has to slip for us to be behind Clermont.
Do you honestly think we will get 5 points against Aironi, 5 points against Leicester, a losing bonus point against Clermont and Clermont dont get a losing bonus point against Leicester and dont get a try bonus point against us - I dont.

I think it is possible yes. Incredibly difficult but that is surely what we have to aim for and I'd be more confident of getting 5 against Leicester at home than 4 against Clermont away.

Notch wrote:

Standulstermen wrote:If that is the case notch it shows how simple the Ulster rugby public are. We still have ones arguing for Marshall over Pienaar FFS!!!!!

Just the UAFC. That incestuous little forum has gone downhill very rapidly.

Agreed that place has become a waste of space.
To target a few:

BaggyTrousers thinks he can decided what is and is not acceptable - a tedious bore
Big-Al needs to wind his neck in.
Fuzzylogic seems to have the mentality of a teenager (except I realize that is insult to most teenagers)
HollywoodMike thinks he is funny - he isn't
YoungMan is a very arrogant individual

Myself it is a long time since I posted there - Here there is genuine debate here in a way that is totally absent on UAFC.

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