Time to start Cheating

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So now that it's clear that the referees don't penalise sealing off or off the feet at ruck time - I feel it is clear that the Welsh regions in particular need to start cheating more.

It is clear to me that playing by the rules DOES NOT win you games. The English aren't bad at cheating (Saints and Tigers are very good). But the Irish teams are absolutely brilliant at cheating.

Masters at it. This is how Munster beat the Scarlets on Sarturday. They cheated better. The referee failed to penalsie them for flopping over the ruck, sealing off, going off their feet, in at the side etc etc etc. They capitalised on this - and won.

Rugby is now a game of cheating, so the Welsh regions need to buck up their ideas and stop moaning start cheating. That's what the game has become.

Cheat or lose.

MrsP wrote:Strange how there no threads like this one after round 2 of the HEC.

The Welsh regions hadn't played any good teams until the 3rd round.

MrsP wrote:Strange how there no threads like this one after round 2 of the HEC.

Yes. There was no cheating in the first 2 rounds. Or poor refs for that matter. It's only this week, when Welsh teams lost, that there's been an outbreak of cheating.

Feckless Rogue wrote:Yes. There was no cheating in the first 2 rounds. Or poor refs for that matter. It's only this week, when Welsh teams lost, that there's been an outbreak of cheating.

Someone needs to read the thread properly

I´m noting the names of all the posters on here just in case there´s a thread on why NZ get away with murder.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:I´m noting the names of all the posters on here just in case there´s a thread on why NZ get away with murder.

Same reasons. They are better at playing the referee than the opposite team normally.

Or maybe they have other strengths as well? Just a thought.

Or maybe they have other strengths as well? Just a thought.

Nope. Carter? pffft. Priestland is much better. Dagg? Ha. Byrne is far more elusive and intelligient.

Cheating is the main reason Welsh teams lose.

formerly known as Sam wrote:

supporting your own weight on your legs

When is that ever enforced!

I think gravity enforces that when a person is standing. I'm open to correction here though.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Or maybe they have other strengths as well? Just a thought.

Of course they do. But you have to win the ball first. They are quite good at this.

The Scarlets did their own fair share of cheating at the weekend. All teams cheat, I'm not sure how the Welsh seem to think they don't cheat.
A lot of the Scarlets seemed to think they were playing NFL with the amount of blocking they were doing at the weekend. I always thought when you clear a player out of a ruck, you do exactly that, not take out the players before they actually get into the ruck. The Scarlets were going past the ruck and taking out the Munster players coming in to join the ruck. Yet somehow we're supposed to think that the Scarlets don't cheat, which I suppose is why Rees didn't give away two penalties in a minute including a cynlical penalty five metres out for slowing the ball down illegally off his feet?

They are quite good at getting the ball. Aggressive hits, counter rucking, kick-offs, retaining possession. All helped by our 16th man on the field no doubt.

valjester wrote: I'm not sure how the Welsh seem to think they don't cheat.

Hmmmm.

Not too sure where you've got that from.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:They are quite good at getting the ball. Aggressive hits, counter rucking, kick-offs, retaining possession. All helped by our 16th man on the field no doubt.

And very good at cheating too. You have the best cheater to have ever played the game.

Feckless Rogue wrote:

Or maybe they have other strengths as well? Just a thought.

Nope. Carter? pffft. Priestland is much better. Dagg? Ha. Byrne is far more elusive and intelligient.

Cheating is the main reason Welsh teams lose.

Tired centres is the reason Ireland lost to Wales in the world cup I heard.

Cr@p centers and a geriatric flyhalf more like.

valjester wrote:The Scarlets did their own fair share of cheating at the weekend. All teams cheat, I'm not sure how the Welsh seem to think they don't cheat.
A lot of the Scarlets seemed to think they were playing NFL with the amount of blocking they were doing at the weekend. I always thought when you clear a player out of a ruck, you do exactly that, not take out the players before they actually get into the ruck. The Scarlets were going past the ruck and taking out the Munster players coming in to join the ruck. Yet somehow we're supposed to think that the Scarlets don't cheat, which I suppose is why Rees didn't give away two penalties in a minute including a cynlical penalty five metres out for slowing the ball down illegally off his feet?

This is a really good point and one that I picked up on during the match. It was so obvious I was questioning whether I understood the rules.

Feckless Rogue wrote:Cr@p centers and a geriatric flyhalf more like.

Wanna know what 15 geriatrics in a green jersey is?

BlueMuff wrote:
This is a really good point and one that I picked up on during the match. It was so obvious I was questioning whether I understood the rules.

Didn't have much effect though did it.

Wrong type of cheating. Which is my point. The game was all about the packs. You need to cheat at the breakdown in tight games like these. Be smart, get the ref on your side in the rucks and you'll have a chance.

Smart rugby. Might be illegall but it's smart. Something the forwards who play for the Welsh regions don't seem to be.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:I´m noting the names of all the posters on here just in case there´s a thread on why NZ get away with murder.

You don't need to cheat when the ref is in your pocket.

BlueMuff wrote:

valjester wrote:The Scarlets did their own fair share of cheating at the weekend. All teams cheat, I'm not sure how the Welsh seem to think they don't cheat.
A lot of the Scarlets seemed to think they were playing NFL with the amount of blocking they were doing at the weekend. I always thought when you clear a player out of a ruck, you do exactly that, not take out the players before they actually get into the ruck. The Scarlets were going past the ruck and taking out the Munster players coming in to join the ruck. Yet somehow we're supposed to think that the Scarlets don't cheat, which I suppose is why Rees didn't give away two penalties in a minute including a cynlical penalty five metres out for slowing the ball down illegally off his feet?

This is a really good point and one that I picked up on during the match. It was so obvious I was questioning whether I understood the rules.

They were constantly at it to be fair but its one of the vagaries of playing with Poite reffing.

Am I right in thinking POC got a away with a rather blatant shoulder barge on a Scarletts player ? He seemed to look around guiltily afterwards

munkian wrote:Am I right in thinking POC got a away with a rather blatant shoulder barge on a Scarletts player ? He seemed to look around guiltily afterwards

No you aren't it was a good tackle. POC shoulder caught the Scarlets 14 in the chops and knocked him sensless for a bit.

A tackle with no hands ?

It looked like there was a genuine attempt to wrap the arms around. I'd need to see it again but like the Nacewa incident it looked worse in real time than it was. On the replay it looked fine.

Fair enough

Thats just my opinion man! feel free to watch it again!

I was agreeing with you dude

Metal Tiger wrote:

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:I´m noting the names of all the posters on here just in case there´s a thread on why NZ get away with murder.

You don't need to cheat when the ref is in your pocket.

Since when did that stop them.

Mathew Rees was unlucky. A Munster player had picked up the ball from a ruck and dropped it back onto the players on the ground. Rees fell on it to claim it and was pinged for hands in the ruck.

As to NFL blocking Lamont did that once in 80 minutes. Munster sealed off every ruck they could.

Let me see if I can remember, how did Mike Phillips score his try against Ireland in the 6 Nations?

bedfordwelsh wrote:Let me see if I can remember, how did Mike Phillips score his try against Ireland in the 6 Nations?

Handing off Tommy Bowe?

Ok how did he get the ball off Matthew Rees, or should I say the wrong ball lol.

Who says we don't play the ref and whistle

I hate refs and i hate Irish teams, this has been a subject for years on how the Irish teams get home town refs, i wouldn't say English teams do it half as much as they used to.

Grammar: To Cheat

I cheat
You cheat
He cheats
She cheats
We cheat
They cheat

If you'd all attended to your studies you'd know about all that by now. Bad show everyone. The Welsh, though, are of course exempted from the lesson...and its consequences

the fact is rugby is a game for the quick witted, what makes the likes of mccaw so good- he bends the rules, i will freely admit in a rugby match i will cheat, if i can slow down the ball i will, if i can keep my hands on the ball i will if i get pinged you adapt- thats what the welsh teams need to do- you need to play the ref- it doesnt matter how he interprets the rules its his rules that go and you have to play to those rules

viewtothegym wrote:I hate refs and i hate Irish teams, this has been a subject for years on how the Irish teams get home town refs, i wouldn't say English teams do it half as much as they used to.

Jaysus, Gatland was on to something when he said ye lot hated us

It's alright though, we still love ye

Nobody hates Connacht

viewtothegym wrote:I hate refs and i hate Irish teams, this has been a subject for years on how the Irish teams get home town refs, i wouldn't say English teams do it half as much as they used to.

Phew, nice to see you've got your sense of humour back Rory.

Glas a du wrote:Phew, nice to see you've got your sense of humour back Rory.

Huh? Not sure what you mean, but trust me, I had a very humourous afternoon earlier

Good. I hope you don't get a rude awakening regarding Botha though

Chunky,

agree totally and Glasgow and Edinburgh need to get busy with the 'Buster Keaton" as well or we/they will also be ed

Wales and their regions have been 'cheating' just as much as any other professional team, but the possible difference is that with a lot of the old hands missing the youngsters haven't learned the subtleties of the dark arts yet. Still Scarlets should have had enough guys like Matthew Rees well practiced in skulduggery to hoodwink the referee just as much as Munster.

Scarlets conceded 13 penalties to Munster's 10 so they were obviously contravening the Laws more in the eyes of the referee. Therefore since Munster stayed on the right side of the law more than Scarlets that would in fact indicate they "cheated" less. As this thread is aimed at the Welsh regions should the title actually read - "Time to Stop Cheating"?

I hate Connacht to they handle the ball in the ruck all the time but refs take sympathy on them because they are pretty crap,

Yes Welsh teams cheat as mentioned every team cheats my beef is with the Refs who let the Irish teams have all the decisions.

Scarlets V Ulster in RavenHill last season for example was a farce.

No, the best team won. The best team scores most points. It really is quite simple, do try to keep up!

The Great Aukster wrote:Wales and their regions have been 'cheating' just as much as any other professional team, but the possible difference is that with a lot of the old hands missing the youngsters haven't learned the subtleties of the dark arts yet. Still Scarlets should have had enough guys like Matthew Rees well practiced in skulduggery to hoodwink the referee just as much as Munster.

Scarlets conceded 13 penalties to Munster's 10 so they were obviously contravening the Laws more in the eyes of the referee. Therefore since Munster stayed on the right side of the law more than Scarlets that would in fact indicate they "cheated" less. As this thread is aimed at the Welsh regions should the title actually read - "Time to Stop Cheating"?

I prefer "time to stop whinging!" myself

That is extraordinarily arrogant. Sort your own deficiencies before criticising ours

Although I was being half-serious, and mostly just having a light hearted dig, if you haven't seen how much I have been complaining about Ulster lately, you should read one of the Ulster threads!

(Though I don't blame it on the ref )

Why not? What if it's his fault?

A team who blame the ref for a mistake usually haven't taken their chances. You will get chances to score in a match regardless of the referee so it's up to you to take them.