Who is 606V2 Pound for Pound Number 1?

Pretty simple, Floyd or Manny? Or maybe someone else if you're feeling adventurous!

Mayweather for me....just......Martinez very impressive at the weekend though

I'm going with Martinez since he takes on legitimate opponents and doesn't look like backing away from any challange. The only downside is his age, doesn't look like he will be fighting much longer.

I'd probably count Mayweather as inactive since he will have over a year between fights, perhaps much more, if he ever returns. I'd go for Pacquiao. Martinez would be close, but can't really see what else he can do around L/MW. I think I'd still have JMM above Donaire for now.

Pacquiao gets my vote. I'll keep Mayweather on until May time, if there's still no word on his next fight or whatnot by then, he'll be struck off my list. Clinging on to his number two spot for now, edging out Donaire, Martinez and Marquez.

Scott

How do you come to the conclusion he's been inactive for a year when he last fought in May?

Correct me if i'm wrong, and god forbid i know i'm tired, but aren't we in March?

I said 'he will have'.

Pacquaio 1 and Mayweather 2 for me and thats not down to activity, I say Pacquaio wins over Barrera 1 and Cotto personally trump Mayweather's best wins not by much, but Pacquiao shades it for me.

Cheers

Rodders

Scott

Are you of the thought process that this poll will extend for 2 months?

Without wanting to get into the same arguement, i don't (nor you or anyone here) has a crystal ball and can predict what will happen with his legal issues. If he makes noises around May about fighting again he'll be kept in The Ring's list (as clarified by Fischer), although his obnoxious fault if he signs/makes noises about fighting then he'll remain in most people's lists etc

I'm of the thought process that I can base my list on what I want. Even if he his court case was settled today he wouldn't fight within a year from his last fight. With no news of it being settled and no stated intention from Mayweather as to a return I choose to classify him as inactive.

Good thing your list isn't official then is it.

Gave Valuev all the time in the world to come back from injury, it's called mitigating circumstances from not fighting and there's every chance he'll be active before the summer's finished.

Injuries are accidental, court cases are his fault. I choose to classify someone who will be out of the ring for a year as inactive, why can't you accept an opinion you disagree with?

Be a bit like having your own seeding system for tennis and then saying the official one is a load of baloney, just my two cents worth.

What if he's found not guilty for instance? Would you then have to reinstate him in your list because it wasn't his fault?! Even though he's been inactive for over a year?

coxy0001 wrote:What if he's found not guilty for instance? Would you then have to reinstate him in your list because it wasn't his fault?! Even though he's been inactive for over a year?

Where do you draw the line though Coxy ? Naseem Hamed has been inactive for 9 years without announcing his retirement, would it be wise to include him ?

3 fights 4 years hardly should merit a no 1 ranking IMO.

Rodders

Naseem Hamed has been inactive for 9 years without announcing his retirement, would it be wise to include him ?
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Spring certainly thinks it would

P4P lists are subjective, the tennis rankings are not. If you see the Rings as official do you just reproduce that when asked for a list? You would query the order of boxers, why not the criteria for inclusion? Once he fights he can get back into the list.

Scott

It's not "the list" it's "my list"

And their's is the official list, so i'm quite akin to using the same official selection criteria rather than make up my own.

Mayweather all day long IMO but after May I think he should be wiped from rankings due to inactivity as with also boxers.

coxy0001 wrote:It's not "the list" it's "my list"

Good contribution

coxy0001 wrote:And their's is the official list, so i'm quite akin to using the same official selection criteria rather than make up my own.

Do what you want. I'll continue to put the boxers on it that I feel.

Scottrf wrote: I'll continue to put the boxers on it that I feel.

This sounds just plain wrong.

Has to be Pacquiao no.1 doesn't put this forum in good light that people think Floyd should be p4p no.1

The Ring Magazine, the boxing pundits the vast majority of boxing site around the world have Pacquiao no.1.

I've looked a few different boxing forum recently and even the supporters of Mayweather, who think he beat Pacquiao if they should fight say Pacquiao is no.1 p4p.

D4thincarnation wrote:I've looked a few different boxing forum recently and even the supporters of Mayweather, who think he beat Pacquiao if they should fight say Pacquiao is no.1 p4p.

The door swings both ways, D4.

I think people are entitled to there own opinion D4

88Chris05 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:I've looked a few different boxing forum recently and even the supporters of Mayweather, who think he beat Pacquiao if they should fight say Pacquiao is no.1 p4p.

The door swings both ways, D4.

I don't think there are any Pacquiao supporters that think Pacquiao will beat Mayweather and think that Mayweather is p4p no.1

Pacquiao has done more in his career and done more recently by some way, the only reason why people have Mayweather as there p4p no.1 is because they believe in their own mind that he is a better fighter, and that mainly down to him being unbeaten.

In short, D4, what you're basically saying is that not everyone is of the same opinion. Hence, it's a bit strange that you're having so much trouble grasping the idea that a group of people may not subscribe to an idea held by others.

I like you D4, but you don't half make things hard for yourself when it comes to the subject of these two!

D4, you're a bit of a contradictory muppet aren't you? You on one hand say i shouldn't look at journalists opinions for where Khan was ranked (or how no-one gave him votes for the Yahoo list) yet you start whinging that because they have Pacquiao #1 those who voted are now all wrong etc?

Complete contradiction, just serves to highlight what a biased, unobjective hugger you really are.

You have zero comeback, so don't bother - you've just shown yourself up as per usual

Wet wipe for D4, please. The question was 'who do you think is number one', not 'why do you think everyone who disagrees with you is wrong'.

imperialghosty wrote:I think people are entitled to there own opinion D4

Yes they are, but the way the voting is going in not in line with the rest of the boxing world.

I know a few Mayweather supporters and a couple years ago we would argue this point, and now they are embarrassed to talk on the subject and they can now admit Pacquiao is p4p no.1 at the moment.

If some could have 2 fights in almost 4 years against one guy who had to jump 3 weights in year at the age of 36 and another guy who was 38 with 17 months of ring rust on him.

If he is the best then this has to be the worst era of boxing ever.

Why bother even having a poll, knowing that the same tired argument will be flogged over and over again?

88Chris05 wrote:In short, D4, what you're basically saying is that not everyone is of the same opinion. Hence, it's a bit strange that you're having so much trouble grasping the idea that a group of people may not subscribe to an idea held by others.

I like you D4, but you don't half make things hard for yourself when it comes to the subject of these two!

No, everybody entitled to there opinion but what make this forum diffent from every on forum out there and against the boxing analyst and ranking sites then you have to ask yourself why.

What do you mean 'why?' I'd think the reason why was pretty obvious, even to you. The reason is that more people (only marginally, as it stands) on 606v2 think that Mayweather is pound for pound number one than they do Pacquiao. Now seeing as you've just gone on tirade about how everyone is entitled to their own opinion, why do you continue to be so mystified at this?

As you say, most publications (apart from BoxRec, who you only use as a source when it suits you) agree that Pacquiao is top dog. So do you really need 606v2 to agree as well? Would a couple more votes in Pacquiao's favour on this poll to take him ahead of Mayweather really change anything?

D4, how about you stop ducking my point yeah?!?!?!?!?!

Just admit you're a contradictory idiot

the only reason why people have Mayweather as there p4p no.1 is because they believe in their own mind that he is a better fighter,
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Not wishing to sound like Captain Thick of the Good Ship HMS Thick, but THAT sounds like a pretty sensible basis for making such an assumption

I don't care what other sites say, I have my own opinion on this and it's about time you stopped telling people what they should think

You went by the Boxrec rankings to say Margarito was ranked at light Middleweight when he wasn't but then coincidentally ignore the fact they have Mayweather as the p4p number one.

Give it up and move on

Oh boy. This is not another Floyd/Manny debate is it? Also why cant certain posters debate sensibly without resorting to unnecessary insults?

I'm watching this thread.

DAVE667 wrote:the only reason why people have Mayweather as there p4p no.1 is because they believe in their own mind that he is a better fighter,
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Not wishing to sound like Captain Thick of the Good Ship HMS Thick, but THAT sounds like a pretty sensible basis for making such an assumption

They only get that opinion because of the 0, is still has an aura attached to it and can warp peoples opinions.

D4thincarnation wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:the only reason why people have Mayweather as there p4p no.1 is because they believe in their own mind that he is a better fighter,
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Not wishing to sound like Captain Thick of the Good Ship HMS Thick, but THAT sounds like a pretty sensible basis for making such an assumption

They only get that opinion because of the 0, is still has an aura attached to it and can warp peoples opinions.

You cannot possibly know why they believe that Mayweather is the better fighter.

The opinion I have has nothing to do with his 0, I openly admit I think he lost the first Castillo fight so explain away?

Azania

A while back D4 asked why i bother looking at the vote results (for why Khan wasn't there at all, 28 names were) for the Yahoo list, and now he's on about how we should pay strict attention to such a list.

It's not mine or anyone elses fault he forces questions regarding his mental capacity upon himself with such contradictory comments. Isn't it funny how only he attracts such vitriol? I'd ban him personally, be better off without him

D4thincarnation wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:the only reason why people have Mayweather as there p4p no.1 is because they believe in their own mind that he is a better fighter,
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Not wishing to sound like Captain Thick of the Good Ship HMS Thick, but THAT sounds like a pretty sensible basis for making such an assumption

They only get that opinion because of the 0, is still has an aura attached to it and can warp peoples opinions.

I didn't know that D4 had developed the power to read people's minds and speak on their behalf!

D4 - Do you want to stop DUCKING my original point about you being a complete contradictory joke?!

Stop DUCKING

imperialghosty wrote:I don't care what other sites say, I have my own opinion on this and it's about time you stopped telling people what they should think

You went by the Boxrec rankings to say Margarito was ranked at light Middleweight when he wasn't but then coincidentally ignore the fact they have Mayweather as the p4p number one.

Give it up and move on

People can think what they like, I'm not telling what to think, I just find it a bit weird and not very good that were are out of step with the mainstream of boxing.

I have no strong opinions on the matter either way and have not even seen half of the fighters on the list but have voted for Mayweather just to annoy D4, to be honest if he lost to Gavin Rees tomorrow would still vote for him if I thought it annoyed d4

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:the only reason why people have Mayweather as there p4p no.1 is because they believe in their own mind that he is a better fighter,
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Not wishing to sound like Captain Thick of the Good Ship HMS Thick, but THAT sounds like a pretty sensible basis for making such an assumption

They only get that opinion because of the 0, is still has an aura attached to it and can warp peoples opinions.

You cannot possibly know why they believe that Mayweather is the better fighter.

D4, you should be so patronising towards the opinions of others. I believe that if they were to fight it would be a relatively easy win for Floyd simply because he is by far the more skilled boxer. Furthermore, JMM gave Pac fits. And if he could do that, then just imagine what Floyd would do.

If by May and Floyd has not fought, then my #1 will be Martinez with Pac 2. The 0 by Floyd means nothing to me.

Still watching this thread.

D4 i've had enough of you now, the mainstream of boxing doesn't have Pacquiao that far ahead of Mayweather

They only get that opinion because of the 0, is still has an aura attached to it and can warp peoples opinions.
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Or perhaps, just perhaps, (now open your mind real wide and consider this for a moment) they also get that opinion because of the way he's comprehensively beaten those around him including the man who arguably beat Manny twice and the guy Manny has avoided for as long as possible until he's utterly shot to pieces.

Perhaps the reason they consider Mayweather to be a better boxer than Manny is because (GASP!SHOCK! HORROR!).....he's a better boxer than Manny

rowley wrote:I have no strong opinions on the matter either way and have not even seen half of the fighters on the list but have voted for Mayweather just to annoy D4, to be honest if he lost to Gavin Rees tomorrow would still vote for him if I thought it annoyed d4

Well at least you have a valid reason

I've seen one of these kind of debates before........... :laughing:

D4 - Last time - STOP DUCKING my question

You're just making yourself look childish, yet again i've shown you up - Windy, can you just ban him and do us all a favour? I'll give you a nifty to do so!?

D4 goes on about ducking and then when gets shown up just keeps ducking the question. King ducker of 606v2 = D4

Funny how everyone's sick of you already, and the regulars haven't been here long