Who is 606V2 Pound for Pound Number 1?

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Pretty simple, Floyd or Manny? Or maybe someone else if you're feeling adventurous!

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

rowley wrote:Most lists I have took the trouble to look at appear to have Floyd no worse than number 2, do you feel comfortable with your views being out of step with the wider boxing world D4 or is it only unusual when other people are out of step?

The majority of people now are having Floyd at number 3 or 4 now, and thats where I place him at the moment if he is still active.

But pretty soon, May 1st he will no be on the list at all.

That is total and utter nonsense D4 and you probably know it. Every list I have seen has him no lower than 2. Can you post a sample of lists that have Floyd as 3 or 4. And lists from Manilla will not suffice.

I'm just talking about general opinions on the net, I posted a poll on an other site and the main bone of contention is why isn't Martinez there, as most of them have him at no.2 and some even think he is no.1

Martinez himself has said he is no.2 and Mayweather 3

Azania

Apologies, i was having somewhat of a bad day.

Naturally i could've won the Euromillions and bedded either of the Olsen twins and i'd still let fly a bit at D4.

It's weird how 90% of the lists i've seen have FMJ @ 2. Just D4 lying again, much like he did when he said i shouldn't pay attention to journalists opinions (on where Khan was ranking prior to Maidana) and now HE'S saying we should all take on board what those very same journos vote for because Manny is top in their lists.

Naturally he hasn't addressed that point, mainly because it questions the integrity of knowledge and objectivity he posses. Or complete and utter lack of it.

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:I posted this thread on that other site to see what their views on this thread. So far not good.

Perhaps somebody should follow suit and post some of your more lurid offerings at forums throughout cyberspace and see the reactions.

Once again I'll ask you :

Why are you not concerned that YOUR views concerning Mayweather as a fighter are so much at odds with those of the worldwide boxing community ?

Maybe a couple of years ago, but most people now do think Mayweather was overrated and that he ducked Pacquiao.

I have never called Mayweather a rubbish fighter, just because I think Pacquiao will beat him it doesn't mean I think he is rubbish.

I would very much appreciate it if you didn't treat me as though I would be an idiot, D4.

You have NO STATISTICAL PROOF that ' most people ' now believe Floyd to have been over rated, and I have lost count of the number of times which you have absolutely trashed Mayweather.

If you wish honest debate I will oblige you. Kindly do not resort to the writing of bare faced lies which are infuriating other members.

Says it all when Jeff, Windy and Chris are all trashing you D4, you lied, you still lie and you will continue to lie to back up your false claims

P.s. Pacquiao isn't even in my top 30 of all time

coxy0001 wrote:Azania

Apologies, i was having somewhat of a bad day.

Naturally i could've won the Euromillions and bedded either of the Olsen twins and i'd still let fly a bit at D4.

It's weird how 90% of the lists i've seen have FMJ @ 2. Just D4 lying again, much like he did when he said i shouldn't pay attention to journalists opinions (on where Khan was ranking prior to Maidana) and now HE'S saying we should all take on board what those very same journos vote for because Manny is top in their lists.

Naturally he hasn't addressed that point, mainly because it questions the integrity of knowledge and objectivity he posses. Or complete and utter lack of it.

If I won euromillions I'd be chasing Nicky Minaj's rear end. Forget the olsen twins. Step up man.

D4thincarnation wrote:Martinez himself has said he is no.2 and Mayweather 3

Oh right, Martinez said that. Well why didn't you say so before? Having said that, Mayweather said that he himself is easily the best in the world, and the best of all time in fact. Seeing as it's what the boxers themselves say which matters so much, I simply don't know what to believe now!

Can't somebody just ban him!??! Sod democracy in this instance!

Or perhaps, just perhaps, (now open your mind real wide and consider this for a moment) they also get that opinion because of the way he's comprehensively beaten those around him including the man who arguably beat Manny twice and the guy Manny has avoided for as long as possible until he's utterly shot to pieces.
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Sums it up pretty well as to why I voted Mayweather.

D4 you really need to give it a rest now- your opinion on the Manny/Floyd debate (the word 'debate' implying there are 2 reasonable sides to the argument) is well known, and it is quite obvious everybody is sick of hearing it from you. Either you're a massive WUM or, even worse, your posts are serious. If the latter is the case I truly feel sorry for you.

Sorry to have a personal dig but you are damaging this forum for a lot of people.

Am I the only one here that voted mayweather just to get up D4's nose?

88Chris05 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Martinez himself has said he is no.2 and Mayweather 3

Oh right, Martinez said that. Well why didn't you say so before? Having said that, Mayweather said that he himself is easily the best in the world, and the best of all time in fact. Seeing as it's what the boxers themselves say which matters so much, I simply don't know what to believe now!

Martinez is not Floyd and the point being Martinez as great as he is recognizes Manny as the no.1 p4p fighter in boxing.

D4thincarnation wrote:

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

rowley wrote:Most lists I have took the trouble to look at appear to have Floyd no worse than number 2, do you feel comfortable with your views being out of step with the wider boxing world D4 or is it only unusual when other people are out of step?

The majority of people now are having Floyd at number 3 or 4 now, and thats where I place him at the moment if he is still active.

But pretty soon, May 1st he will no be on the list at all.

That is total and utter nonsense D4 and you probably know it. Every list I have seen has him no lower than 2. Can you post a sample of lists that have Floyd as 3 or 4. And lists from Manilla will not suffice.

I'm just talking about general opinions on the net, I posted a poll on an other site and the main bone of contention is why isn't Martinez there, as most of them have him at no.2 and some even think he is no.1

Martinez himself has said he is no.2 and Mayweather 3

D4, dont BS a BSer please. You just made that up. Whose opinions on the net are you referring to? If Martinez says he is #2, who am I to disagree? Floyd says he is P4P the best ever. It must be true. Blooming heck. I've heard it all now.

D4thincarnation wrote:I posted this thread on that other site to see what their views on this thread. So far not good.

Did you mention to them that you were an obsessive manny fan and floyd hater who had turned many peoples opinion against manny on this board and that a lot of posters had probably voted floyd just to grind your gears? If not then you are misleading them a bit.

Rather than holding a more valid opinion than anyone, the view that Martinez holds is line with what you want to believe.

I'll ignore them all and make my mind up

"Personally, right now, I feel that I'm No. 2 ahead of Mayweather. I feel that Manny Pacquiao is No. 1," said Martinez,

"But the thing is that if Pacquiao doesn't have a great performance against Mosley, and if he doesn't beat Mosley the way that I beat Dzinziruk, then I'm right there," said Martinez. "If that doesn't happen, then I should take the No. 1 spot. And, of course, if Mosley beats Pacquiao, then, of course, I'm definitely the No. 1 guy."

Maybe a little bravado from Martinez, but he really doe believe he is no.2

And as delusional as Floyd may sometime seem I don't think he believes he is the greatest of all time.

coxy0001 wrote:D4 - Last time - STOP DUCKING my question

You're just making yourself look childish, yet again i've shown you up - Windy, can you just ban him and do us all a favour? I'll give you a nifty to do so!?

D4 goes on about ducking and then when gets shown up just keeps ducking the question. King ducker of 606v2 = D4

Funny how everyone's sick of you already, and the regulars haven't been here long

To the mods-I think this post sums up some of the things about D4 which cause people to lose patience with him. He knows what he does, and does so unashamedly. Can he not be banned for awhile?

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:I posted this thread on that other site to see what their views on this thread. So far not good.

Did you mention to them that you were an obsessive manny fan and floyd hater who had turned many peoples opinion against manny on this board and that a lot of posters had probably voted floyd just to grind your gears? If not then you are misleading them a bit.

That should not affect people opinion on boxing.

Floyd Mayweather may think boxing needs him but it doesn't Martinez and Donaire have been great in the last year, lets rank them where they belong.

Sod a P4P vote, think a yes no vote on whether D4 should be allowed to stay is instigated.

BALTIMORA wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:D4 - Last time - STOP DUCKING my question

You're just making yourself look childish, yet again i've shown you up - Windy, can you just ban him and do us all a favour? I'll give you a nifty to do so!?

D4 goes on about ducking and then when gets shown up just keeps ducking the question. King ducker of 606v2 = D4

Funny how everyone's sick of you already, and the regulars haven't been here long

To the mods-I think this post sums up some of the things about D4 which cause people to lose patience with him. He knows what he does, and does so unashamedly. Can he not be banned for awhile?

In a word - No.

In the spirit of debate, i'm happy for Coxy to continue to ask D4 to answer his question, providing he doesn't cross a line and abuses him.

If D4 refuses to answer..... well that's for you guys to judge him, it's not breaking the rules.

D4thincarnation wrote:

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:I posted this thread on that other site to see what their views on this thread. So far not good.

Did you mention to them that you were an obsessive manny fan and floyd hater who had turned many peoples opinion against manny on this board and that a lot of posters had probably voted floyd just to grind your gears? If not then you are misleading them a bit.

That should not affect people opinion on boxing.

Floyd Mayweather may think boxing needs him but it doesn't Martinez and Donaire have been great in the last year, lets rank them where they belong.

Here's a novel idea, D4.

Why don't you rank fighters according to your opinion and allow other members to do the same ?

Martinez at 3 and Donaire at 5 seems fair to me

Now shut up we're all bored of you, strange how someone who prides himself on knowing so much about boxing hasn't decided to show up his lack of knowledge on the quiz thread.

If D4 refuses to answer..... well that's for you guys to judge him, it's not breaking the rules.

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I've only asked about 10 times now

I may just have to accept he won't admit that his views are contradictory and biased depending on when the arguement suits his "point" (and i use that last word in the loosest sense possible, looser than Jenna Jameson's cave)

coxy0001 wrote:D4, you're a bit of a contradictory muppet aren't you? You on one hand say i shouldn't look at journalists opinions for where Khan was ranked (or how no-one gave him votes for the Yahoo list) yet you start whinging that because they have Pacquiao #1 those who voted are now all wrong etc?

Complete contradiction, just serves to highlight what a biased, unobjective hugger you really are.

You have zero comeback, so don't bother - you've just shown yourself up as per usual

Coxy said not to bother and until he can speak to me with some respect I have no intention in indugling him with his "rhetorical" questions.

You deserve no respect to be shown to you

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:D4, you're a bit of a contradictory muppet aren't you? You on one hand say i shouldn't look at journalists opinions for where Khan was ranked (or how no-one gave him votes for the Yahoo list) yet you start whinging that because they have Pacquiao #1 those who voted are now all wrong etc?

Complete contradiction, just serves to highlight what a biased, unobjective hugger you really are.

You have zero comeback, so don't bother - you've just shown yourself up as per usual

Coxy said not to bother and until he can speak to me with some respect I have no intention in indugling him with his "rhetorical" questions.

More like you've not got an answer - you've just showed up how biased and contradictory you are.

Me showing you zero respect has never stopped you replying before, mainly because this time you can't admit you're bending an arguement because it's suits your "point"

Think, I'll put this thread to bed now, SBS probably has a point that some people voted for Mayweather to wind me up, probably the best explanation for the skrewered voting.

It could be a big year for Martinez and Donaire, think both of there stock will continue to rise.

Fair enough, but he poisons the boards in a way that'd have Erin Brockovich baulking. It's begun already, and will only become gradually worse. If it was just the two of them it'd be different, but there are many people who all know how D4 is the worst kind of hypocrite.

First time post for me. Hi everyone.

I think there both amazing fighters they both bring something that gets people excited and makes people want to watch boxing, Floyd for his technical ability and Manny for the excitement... who am i kidding there as good as each other.

Im not gonna try and argue my views with the biased views of a particular poster on these boards as its easier just to ignore than get sucked in by an obvious WUM and really suprised that the MODS cannot see this. Hi Mods : )

The only people who actually care who there are in P4P rankings are the boxers themselves and fans who take these lists (It is only a bloody list, i dont write my shopping list and think because i put butter at the top its the best porduct in the world... beer clearly is!) seriously in my opinion.

coxy0001 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:D4, you're a bit of a contradictory muppet aren't you? You on one hand say i shouldn't look at journalists opinions for where Khan was ranked (or how no-one gave him votes for the Yahoo list) yet you start whinging that because they have Pacquiao #1 those who voted are now all wrong etc?

Complete contradiction, just serves to highlight what a biased, unobjective hugger you really are.

You have zero comeback, so don't bother - you've just shown yourself up as per usual

Coxy said not to bother and until he can speak to me with some respect I have no intention in indugling him with his "rhetorical" questions.

More like you've not got an answer - you've just showed up how biased and contradictory you are.

Me showing you zero respect has never stopped you replying before, mainly because this time you can't admit you're bending an arguement because it's suits your "point"

Coxy the voting system was flawed for one and it was not the wide views of boxing fans it was selected journalist.

Talking of contradictions why is it that coxy can use a magazine's rankings to say that I should include Mayweather that's fine, but when D4 uses a magazine's rankings to say that Pacquiao should be top people get hot under the collar?

D4thincarnation wrote:Think, I'll put this thread to bed now

You could have done that many moons ago, D4! Hallelujah though, you're finally scuttling off from this particular article. A rare act of compassion on your behalf, you have almost certainly saved us all from putting our foot through the screen of our computer and banging our heads against the nearest wall.

I await with great anticipation your upcoming 'Mosley in great shape, will be Pacquiao's toughest challenge yet!' article.

Scott, not quite sure what you're on about? Not having a dig, just can't quite make sense of it.

You used the Ring Magazine's decision on Mayweather's activity to say I was wrong to leave Mayweather out. People seem to have taken exception to the fact that D4 used their opinion to say that Pacquiao should be top.

It's a bit different though, i never said he was #1 - which is what this is about. I said you should maybe use their criteria regarding leaving him in the list....

Not really the same now as we weren't talking about ranking, actually the 2 debates have been chalk and cheese to be honest.

Either it's a personal list or the Ring's is official and we should follow that. It's chalk and cheese because that fits your standing on it.

Scott

I'll explain

We had a debate about you excluding him based on activity, i said that The Ring have already said if he's not making noises come May about fighting they'll drop him. You said no - not fought within a year so drop him.

This debate is about the rankings themself...... And where certain fighters are ranked - hence the very important bit at the top - the poll that doesn't ask us if we should exclude him on activity but who's our #1 boxer at present.

So in summary (because i know you're struggling i keep it short!) - One debate about ranking criteria (specifically activity and mitigating circumstances) and one debate about who are #1 boxer is.

Sometimes i do wonder

You're such a patronising soandso.

Why is the Ring's decision about him being active if he 'makes noises around May' off limits, but not their ranking of boxers?

Scott why do you constantly jump to the defence of D4 and get your knickers in a twist?

This seems to be a whole thread of people asking for others to be banned!!
Is that what it's come to?
Where's the love!!!

imperialghosty wrote:Scott why do you constantly jump to the defence of D4 and get your knickers in a twist?

It's boring to hear the same things all the time about his opinions, and I don't particularly like the gang mentality of trying to get one over someone. If you don't value his opinions, ignore and move on. The topics that get replied to go to the top. Why do you always jump to the defense of anyone arguing with him?

In all seriousness manny is my no1, but I voted floyd here out of, well spite i suppose. If we all copied the ring and voted manny then there would be much room for debate would there? Keeps things interesting...

You would notice if you had a shred of intelligence that I actually defend 'MY' opinion and not that of others, I could say the same thing to you if you don't value my opinion or anyone else don't reply in such a patronising way yourself.

Sir. badgerhands wrote:This seems to be a whole thread of people asking for others to be banned!!
Is that what it's come to?
Where's the love!!! :hug:

Not like the WRASSLE fans!

How do Sir Badger, how's Mrs Badger? Due soon is she not?

Ironic to question my intelligence while taking my statement literally, I merely reflected your question. I'm not defending D4's opinions but his right to type without a barrage of abuse.

Pacquiao 26 76.47%
Mayweather 8 23.53%

This how the vote is going on another forum, I could post the same thing on 5 more forums and would expect a similar result.

But on this forum the number are not in line with the boxing fans the world over.

Who cares, this is 606v2, why dont you sod off to these other forums where you'd feel more at home

Let us have the right to our own opinion you irritating little Flip

D4thincarnation wrote:

Pacquiao 26 76.47%
Mayweather 8 23.53%

This how the vote is going on another forum, I could post the same thing on 5 more forums and would expect a similar result.

But on this forum the number are not in line with the boxing fans the world over.

Yes D4, we know. But seeing as you've admitted that everyone is entitled to their own opinion (and, I assume, you're familiar with the idea that not all opinions are the same) this is still understandable, and not really an issue, correct?

88Chris05 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Pacquiao 26 76.47%
Mayweather 8 23.53%

This how the vote is going on another forum, I could post the same thing on 5 more forums and would expect a similar result.

But on this forum the number are not in line with the boxing fans the world over.

Yes D4, we know. But seeing as you've admitted that everyone is entitled to their own opinion (and, I assume, you're familiar with the idea that not all opinions are the same) this is still understandable, and not really an issue, correct?

It not an issue for the individual but for the board yes.

Like you may get some BNP voter spotted around everywhere, but if you get a load in one spot you have to ask why?

Honestly shut up, you've crossed the line this time

D4thincarnation wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Pacquiao 26 76.47%
Mayweather 8 23.53%

This how the vote is going on another forum, I could post the same thing on 5 more forums and would expect a similar result.

But on this forum the number are not in line with the boxing fans the world over.

Yes D4, we know. But seeing as you've admitted that everyone is entitled to their own opinion (and, I assume, you're familiar with the idea that not all opinions are the same) this is still understandable, and not really an issue, correct?

It not an issue for the individual but for the board yes.

Like you may get some BNP voter spotted around everywhere, but if you get a load in one spot you have to ask why?

I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry at that last sentence; mind you, the tears would be simply from laughing too much anyway! You've outdone yourself with that one, D4.

A bit of an abstract analogy but you get the point.