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Post by red_stag Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:12 pm

First topic message reminder :

Ireland squad (sponsored by 02) for the matches against Wales (5 February) and France (11 February) in the 2012 RBS 6 Nations Championship:

Backs: Isaac Boss (Leinster), Tommy Bowe (Ospreys), Gordon Darcy (Leinster), Keith Earls (Munster), Luke Fitzgerald (Leinster), Denis Hurley (Munster), Rob Kearney (Leinster), Ian Keatley (Munster), Fergus McFadden (Leinster), Johne Murphy (Munster), Conor Murray (Munster), Ronan O'Gara (Munster), Tomas O'Leary (Munster), Eoin Reddan (Munster), Jonathan Sexton (Munster), Andrew Trimble (Ulster)

Forwards: Stephen Archer (Munster), Rory Best (Ulster), Tony Buckley (Sale Sharks), Tom Court (Ulster), Sean Croinin (Leinster), Leo Cullen (Leinster), Stephen Ferris (Ulster), Cian Healy (Leinster), Jamie Heaslip (Leinster), Marcus Horan (Munster), Shane Jennings (Leinster), Denis Leamy (Munster), Mike McCarthy (Connacht), Sean O'Brien (Leinster), Donncha O'Callaghan (Munster), Paul O'Connell (Munster, CAPTAIN), Peter O'Mahony (Munster), Mike Ross (Leinster), Donnacha Ryan (Munster), Damien Varley (Munster)

MUNSTER LEAD THE WAY FOR IRELAND
Thursday, 05 January 2012

Head coach Declan Kidney has selected a familiar team in Ireland's 36-man squad for the opening two matches of the 2012 RBS 6 Nations Championship. Munster lead the way with 17 players selected from last season's Magners League champions. 28 players from last year’s Rugby World Cup squad are included – the exceptions being Paddy Wallace and Geordan Murphy who has now retired – while potential Six Nations debuts could lie ahead for Conor Murray and Peter O'Mahony, both of whom have been excelling in the Heineken Cup with Munster.

O'Mahony, a product of PBC, the school where Declan Kidney taught, has captained Ireland U18, Ireland U20, Munster A and the Munster Senior Team. He looks sure to ruffle feathers in a very settled backrow. Murray – who sprung to fame in the Summer Tests and Rugby World Cup – has never played in a Six Nations match. He played his first Heineken Cup match this season winning man of the match against the Llanelli Scarlets.

He told www.irishrugby.ie: “I am looking forward to the Six Nations immensly. My upbringing from my mother means I’ve always known about Ireland and I was still in school when I saw Drisco (Brian O'Driscoll) lift the cup 3 years ago".

Kidney said: “I am pleased to reflect on the winning displays we have seen from both Munster Rugby and Leinster over the last two months and the contribution a number of our uncapped players have made to them.

“I think what’s also encouraging is that a number of players who have forced their way into contention in that period and who have not made the squad this time, are really knocking on the door and that competition for places can only raise our standards, so this Ireland squad can be very much a work in progress over the coming months especially with the Summer looming.

“We said after the Rugby World Cup that the challenge we must confront is to get on with the business of winning international rugby matches. Potential counts for nothing if you don’t deliver results.”

The squad will gather at Carlton House on the week beginning Monday 23 January before it is trimmed for match specific preparations for Ireland's opening game of the championship against Wales at Aviva Stadium on Sunday 5 February.

You can still buy tickets for the 6 Nations 3pm via the IRFU website www.irishrugby.ie
*actually its unofficial and made up
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:29 pm

Glas a du wrote:
red_stag wrote:Glas how tall is too tall.

over 6' for a prop.

Is that a joke? Some of the best props to ever play the game have been 6'3 plus! In fact under 6' for an international prop would be considered small.

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Post by Notch Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:30 pm

No it wouldn't, really. There are a number of very good props under 6'0. And over 6'0. But 6'4, 6'5 is a difficult height.
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Post by red_stag Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:33 pm

dublin_dave wrote:hahahaha. nice one red stag top post!!!!

actually glanced over it and was buying it until i saw stephen archer.

He could well feature Dave actually. His second year of HEC rugby. He is a certainty in every HEC squad. Hayes is retired, Buckley is abroad, Court is a loosehead and BJ Botha and Rodney Ah You can't play for Ireland. Could easily make extended squad.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:48 pm

Notch wrote:No it wouldn't, really. There are a number of very good props under 6'0. And over 6'0. But 6'4, 6'5 is a difficult height.

I honestly can't think of any international props under 6'0. Carl Hayman was one of the best tighthead props ever at 6'4. Sheridan at one point was one of the best looseheads, at 6'5.

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Post by rodders Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:49 pm

Mas is 5'5 isn't he?
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:52 pm

Mas is 5'11.. forgot about him strangely, as he is one of the best props in the world. Okay, apart from Mas, I struggle to think of any Very Happy

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Post by rodders Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:54 pm

Someone is 5'5...name me another French TH?.......
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Post by dublin_dave Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:54 pm

domingo is short

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Post by red_stag Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:55 pm

dublin_dave wrote:domingo is short

So are Shane Williams and Peter Stringer.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:56 pm

I am not sure who the other TH is actually.. There is Barcella, who is 6', and Poux, who may also be 5'11 actually. Don't know any props at 5'5!

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:57 pm

Isn't one of the Scottish props quite short. Chunk? (I actually can't remember his real name!)

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:58 pm

Domingo, yeah he is short! He is a loosehead, not sure about the tighthead you mean Rodders. Okay, so France seem to produce pretty small props I guess Very Happy

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Post by ME-109 Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:59 pm

red_stag wrote:
dublin_dave wrote:domingo is short

So are Shane Williams and Peter Stringer.

Shane williams wins cos he has large hairy feet.....


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Post by red_stag Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:59 pm

DOD - should Munster just decide to have a North and South Academy?
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Post by rodders Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:02 pm

OK sorry Rory it must be Domingo I'm thinking about... Doh
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Post by ME-109 Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:06 pm

We used to...they were called Cork Con, UCC, Dolphin - Garryowen, Shannon, YM and UL/Bohs.

The change last year to not allowing the academy players play for their AIL teams was the wrong one in terms of development. It has always been the case that Munster players tend to develop later in their early 20's and that has been because of the competitive club scene.

I dont think a North/South academy is the way to go. Personally I would have made an arrangement with UCC/UL to pack them with the academy players in addition to the B&I cup for the Munster A's. It was kind of the case a few years ago. Why not continue with that.

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Post by red_stag Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:12 pm

Yea I had been speaking to several people in around the Munster setup who have criticised the dual training base system saying its a reason for poor Munster youth teams.
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Post by geoff998rugby Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:29 am

If that was the squad I would have to jump in the Liffey, or the Lagan, or the Shannon, or the Lee...anywhere to escape the madness

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Post by Glas a du Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:00 am

Another thing you should be aware of - rugby players stats in match programs are notoriously unreliable as to height, weight and even age. A good rule of thumb is to knock 4 inches off anybody under 6' and 2 inches off anybody under 6'6" they tend to get more accurate over that.
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