Whiff of Chordite blog - Beware of Inflating Bubbles
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Whiff of Chordite blog - Beware of Inflating Bubbles
From the Whiff of Chordite Blog:
http://whiffofcordite.blogspot.com/
A well written tale of caution...
http://whiffofcordite.blogspot.com/
After Leinster put seven tries on Bath at Lansdowne Road, one radio reporter mentioned that he’d overheard a fan in Kiely’s say ‘They might as well give us the Cup now.’ The bookies have anointed Leinster as probable HEC winners and, in end of year predictions bloggers and commentators queued up to forecast another Leinster HEC win, with several throwing in a Rabo Pro12 title for good measure.
Things are certainly looking rosy in the Leinster garden. In spite of injuries to BOD and Shaggy, they look set to secure a home quarter-final in the Heiny, and are nine points clear in the Pro12. Jamie Heaslip is looking like his old self and Johnny Sexton is looking Europe’s premier fly-half once more. Fergus McFadden and Eoin O’Malley have pitched in at centre to good effect and the return to fitness of Rob Kearney and to form of LukeFitz have partially offset the backline injuries.
They can afford to mix up their team according to their opponent, playing a vdMerwe-Browne-McLoughlin-Boss axis for physical away days, and unleashing Church-Toner-Jennings-Reddan at home when they look to play at lightning speed. Their success is generally built on a high tempo attack and in particular phenomenal aggression at the breakdown, where the likes of Heaslip, Healy and Jennings hurl their bodies into the wreckage to continually generate quick ball. Even when they butcher all their try opportunities (Bath away) or just play rubbish (Connacht away), they still seem to find a way of winning.
It's all enough to make this Leinster fan decidedly nervous. There are umpteen reasons to be cautious. Firstly, it needs to be borne in mind that the Heineken Cup is a strange competition in many ways, not least its bitty, broken structure. Once the home quarter-final is secured, the team breaks up for a whole Six Nations. Who knows how the players will return? Will Sexton be in the same frame of mind? Will Ireland's cumbersome attacking patterns need to be coached out of the players' systems? Who'll be injured? It’s like qualifying for an entirely different competition.
For another, there’s the all-important (too important to be truthful) semi-final draw. Leinster, good as they are, would still travel to Clermont or Toulouse as second favourites, and a trip to Saracens would be something of a coin toss. As champions, they are there to be shot at, and the historical difficulty of retaining the Cup is so well established we need not dwell on it.
It’s also important to note that the Heineken Cup isn’t necessarily, or even all that often, won by the best team, but that which can continually stay alive. Once you enter the spring, it's a knockout competition, in which you're always one game from going out. Leinster were superb from start to finish last year, and deservedly took the spoils, but it doesn’t always work out that way. It may be more instructive to look at their 2009 victory, when they were dismal for at least half the group stage, and decidedly fortunate to emerge victorious from a freakish quarter-final against Harlequins. Leinster would also do well to remind themselves of what fate befell Munster that season. For it was they, at the time, who appeared unbeatable. After the twin peaks of the 22-5 win over Leinster and the 39-6 thrashing of the Ospreys, back-to-back Heineken Cups seemed inevitable.
Such performances can paper over the cracks a little. Munster looked flawless at the time, but Michael Cheika recognised that neither of their centres were distributors and ruthlessly exposed them. Similarly, Leinster have a glaring weakness in the second row, which has yet to be properly tested. Nathan Hines' importance to last years' team is well documented - on top of that, Leo Cullen appears to be in decline. Devin Toner has improved immeasurably, but will it be enough against a Toulouse or a Clermont (hello again Nathan!)? And don't forget he is still playing second fiddle to Damian Browne (it feels like we should emphasise his name somehow, but that wouldn't be entirely fair) on away-days.
Joe Schmidt is an outstanding coach, but this year he has another aspect of the game to manage: expectations. He must do his utmost to ensure that the warm, fuzzy feeling emanating from the stands doesn't impact too much on the players' mindset. If he can do that, and Leinster do land back-to-back Heineken Cups, their third in four years, with the Pro12 to boot, then we can declare them even better than the great Munster, Wasps, Leicester and Toulouse sides of the professional era. But not before.
A well written tale of caution...
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Yes... there might be a certain level of 'fan' that will talk it up but I think most rugby followers in Ireland, nevermind Leinster, know only too well the heavy rocks that an come falling down on high expectations. I don't think any of us are saying it's a walk for Leinster. The true tests haven't even begun this season.
In reality, I think they are having things a little too easy. Will they really be up to the physical levels neessary when the big hitting sides come looking for a scalp? We'll find out in time.
In reality, I think they are having things a little too easy. Will they really be up to the physical levels neessary when the big hitting sides come looking for a scalp? We'll find out in time.
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Good read... BTW who were the Munster centres who couldn't distribute that Cheika ruthlessly exposed?......
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To be honest Leinster have had one of the easiest groups and while we have looked good in a couple of games we havent been tested yet. A weird part of me would love to see us get Toulouse or Clermont away to see us backs to the wall especially if i can get a weekend away.
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Golden wrote:To be honest Leinster have had one of the easiest groups and while we have looked good in a couple of games we havent been tested yet. A weird part of me would love to see us get Toulouse or Clermont away to see us backs to the wall especially if i can get a weekend away.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Although we're less likely to be away in the QFs as we're top seeds as things stand. Quins could well be 8th seeds, a game against them in Lansdowne would be a really tough test.
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Quins would be a tough game alright but should be a great game for neutrals. The away game in France I was thinking for the semi-finals although maybe im getting ahead of myself
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I've already said on this forum that our 2nd row and centres haven't been tested by the best yet. Remember in 2010 we didn't think our scrum was a problem until we ran into Clermont and Toulouse and realized that it was.
Good teams like Leinster can often build up a look of invincibility about them. But it's never permanent. It only last until somebody beats them in a big game. Munster did look unstoppable in '09. I'll never forget how ultra confident many Munster fans were that year. They really thought they were the best, and were constantly reminding us of the fact. The dropped jaws and shocked faces of Munster fans in Croke Park as the semi final progressed was actually quite satisfying at the time.
There's a handful of teams who can knock us out. And we haven't met any of them yet. We got an easier group than usual. So I'll reserve judgement on how much we miss Hines, BOD and Shaggy until we have to go toe to toe with a team like Clermont or Toulouse.
Good teams like Leinster can often build up a look of invincibility about them. But it's never permanent. It only last until somebody beats them in a big game. Munster did look unstoppable in '09. I'll never forget how ultra confident many Munster fans were that year. They really thought they were the best, and were constantly reminding us of the fact. The dropped jaws and shocked faces of Munster fans in Croke Park as the semi final progressed was actually quite satisfying at the time.
There's a handful of teams who can knock us out. And we haven't met any of them yet. We got an easier group than usual. So I'll reserve judgement on how much we miss Hines, BOD and Shaggy until we have to go toe to toe with a team like Clermont or Toulouse.
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I remember being in the stoop in 09, watching Munster tear the Ospreys a new hoop, then watching us grind out a 5-6 win. We thought we'd get a hiding in Croker. But no team in invincible. And we're no exception to that rule.
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Most of this article I liked. But I have to disagree with this quote, mate. If you win, you are the best. If you lose, despite appearances or other results, you were not the best. I am a Saints fan. I thought they were the best team last year. Then they ran into Leinster. Turns out they were second best (for which there should be no trophys). No excuses. No whinging. Otherwise it opens the door for lots of excuses.Mickado wrote: From the Whiff of Chordite Blog:A well written tale of caution..........It’s also important to note that the Heineken Cup isn’t necessarily, or even all that often, won by the best team, but that which can continually stay alive. Once you enter the spring, it's a knockout competition, in which you're always one game from going out.....
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doctor_grey wrote:Most of this article I liked. But I have to disagree with this quote, mate. If you win, you are the best. If you lose, despite appearances or other results, you were not the best. I am a Saints fan. I thought they were the best team last year. Then they ran into Leinster. Turns out they were second best (for which there should be no trophys). No excuses. No whinging. Otherwise it opens the door for lots of excuses.Mickado wrote: From the Whiff of Chordite Blog:A well written tale of caution..........It’s also important to note that the Heineken Cup isn’t necessarily, or even all that often, won by the best team, but that which can continually stay alive. Once you enter the spring, it's a knockout competition, in which you're always one game from going out.....
That's one way to read it, but I take the author (note, I just posted a blog written by someone else) mean that the team that is playing the best rugby is not always the team that wins. I do agree though that the best team is always the winner in a given game. Was at the final and swapped jerseys with a Saints fan on the street afterwards, great bunch of lads.
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Were you the dude who stole my jersey????
I don't want to give a wrong impression. I thought the article was very good. Cautionary, but really spot on. And I appreciate you sharing because it not the usual drivel we read in the media.
But I don't like seeing comments such as "the best team didn't win". It always sounds to me to be a little slippery and cheesy. Sometimes we all know teams which perform at lower levels throughout the season do find a way to lift themselves in a huge final. But that is pretty rare, I think, in Rugby. If Saints won last season, I would think they rightly deserved it after that first half. Unfortunately for me (and fortunately for you) Leinster went bananas in the second half and truly earned thier victory with one of the great performances.
I don't want to give a wrong impression. I thought the article was very good. Cautionary, but really spot on. And I appreciate you sharing because it not the usual drivel we read in the media.
But I don't like seeing comments such as "the best team didn't win". It always sounds to me to be a little slippery and cheesy. Sometimes we all know teams which perform at lower levels throughout the season do find a way to lift themselves in a huge final. But that is pretty rare, I think, in Rugby. If Saints won last season, I would think they rightly deserved it after that first half. Unfortunately for me (and fortunately for you) Leinster went bananas in the second half and truly earned thier victory with one of the great performances.
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It also shows grace and class to admit the other team was better - even if one doesn't think so in their heart of hearts.
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doctor_grey wrote:It also shows grace and class to admit the other team was better - even if one doesn't think so in their heart of hearts.
We're virtually on the same page, (on the same virtual page) here so I won't split hairs.
Yeah, about that jersey, I'm willing to swap back, they don't sell that Leinster jersey any more! Actually the fella that I swapped with suggested the swap, much to the displeasure of his wife who had just bought for his birthday. Bit of a domestic on the streets of Cardiff!
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Good stuff mate!
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