Frank Warren on Cleverly

https://www.youtube.com/frankwarren#p/u/1/rx523ciHsDs

Listen to 8:00 to 12:00

While none of us exactly trust Frank it is true what he says about the mentality of some peoples attitude towards Nathan who has held the WBO Title just over a year yet everyone expects world domination straight away other than that you are just a stay at home bum bla bla


Regards

Steffan

Who expects World domination??? Please could you tell us..

1. Most people think he's ordinary..

2. Nobody expects World domination..

3. Just another dumb generalisation from you..with no substance to back it up..

Is he a world champion or is he a prospect?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Who expects World domination??? Please could you tell us..

1. Most people think he's ordinary..

2. Nobody expects World domination..

3. Just another dumb generalisation from you..with no substance to back it up..

I was refering to impatience of people who say he will stay at home and fight bums like lots of other Warren fighters. Have you actually listened to the bit iv said. Please dont call me dumb

rowley wrote:Is he a world champion or is he a prospect?

You tell me. Your the main one

Called it a dumb generalisation...not calling you dumb per se...

I've more original words to call you than that..don't worry!!

Warren has always thought the viewers were thick...

I mean we always expect his fighters to fight the best don't we!!

His record proves that!!

I don't know Steffan, he has a world title belt which would suggest he is a world champion but isn't ready to face the best in his division which suggests he is a prospect. The two for me should be mutually exclusive.

As a world champion Cleverly should be fighting the best in the division not one nobody after another.

When do Warren's world champs ever face the best!!

They all leave if they want a legacy...

Cleverly is ordinary..unfortunately....Warren won't be to adventurous..

rowley wrote:I don't know Steffan, he has a world title belt which would suggest he is a world champion but isn't ready to face the best in his division which suggests he is a prospect. The two for me should be mutually exclusive.

I would say he is still a prospect. But its hardly his fault he has picked up Warrens version of title is it

Imperial Ghosty wrote:As a world champion Cleverly should be fighting the best in the division not one nobody after another.

Yeah because making one big fight after the other is easy aint it...

Why isn't it his fault??????

Didn't have to pick up a world title he wasn't ready for!!

Listen to yourself!!!!

Steffan wrote:

rowley wrote:I don't know Steffan, he has a world title belt which would suggest he is a world champion but isn't ready to face the best in his division which suggests he is a prospect. The two for me should be mutually exclusive.

I would say he is still a prospect. But its hardly his fault he has picked up Warrens version of title is it

No it isn't but if him and his promoter are going to sit there behind a world title belt and pretty much say he is not ready for the best in the world they can hardly get indignant when people criticise them for it or criticise them for lining up guys who have no place anywhere near a world title ring, because some fans still hold onto the quaint idea that a world title belt should be something more than a marketing tool.

Having seen Arum get so much flak recently looks as though everyone want's to jump on the 'it's always the promoters fault' bandwagon.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why isn't it his fault??????

Didn't have to pick up a world title he wasn't ready for!!

Listen to yourself!!!!

He was doing what his promoter told him to do...

I ask yet again...have you listened to the bit I picked out yet?

Steffan wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:As a world champion Cleverly should be fighting the best in the division not one nobody after another.

Yeah because making one big fight after the other is easy aint it...

One big fight would be a start, and Steffan lets not be silly here nobody is asking for Hopkins and Dawson back to back but Tommy Kerpency! he is not even close to a big fight and if we're honest we all know this is very likely to be the first of many (and I'll say now I genuinely hope I am wrong)

You're so wrong Rowley!!

I've written to Warren asking him If I can have a WBO title strap (money is no object)...

and I'm not ready for it either!!

Steffan wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:As a world champion Cleverly should be fighting the best in the division not one nobody after another.

Yeah because making one big fight after the other is easy aint it...

Suppose he did fight the great Karo Murat a few fights ago so can let him off for a few more years.

Oh well at least Rowley is understanding the point I was trying to make

Truss is being Truss as usual...

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:As a world champion Cleverly should be fighting the best in the division not one nobody after another.

Yeah because making one big fight after the other is easy aint it...

Suppose he did fight the great Karo Murat a few fights ago so can let him off for a few more years.

Who exactly said Karo Murat was great?

Having fought nobody as of yet we're expected to accept another fight against a nobody, Murat is the only fight he's had even approaching world level.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Having fought nobody as of yet we're expected to accept another fight against a nobody, Murat is the only fight he's had even approaching world level.

I repeat...Who exactly said Karo Murat was great?

I was emphasising that Cleverly hasn't fought anybody yet with Murat being the best he's fought thus far, he needs to step up and step up quick.

Truss is being Truss...

You haven't rebutted anything I've said!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Truss is being Truss...

You haven't rebutted anything I've said!!

Youve just gone for your classic facetious view of it all. Nothing worth rebutting

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I was emphasising that Cleverly hasn't fought anybody yet with Murat being the best he's fought thus far, he needs to step up and step up quick.

Yes he probably does. But please spare me the sarcastic "great" Karo Murat comments as no one said that. Try and debate without acting like Truss

1, Most people think he's ordinary..
2. Nobody expects world domination
3. Just another dumb generalisation from you...

What have I said that is facetious and not true!!!

Steffan wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I was emphasising that Cleverly hasn't fought anybody yet with Murat being the best he's fought thus far, he needs to step up and step up quick.

Yes he probably does. But please spare me the sarcastic "great" Karo Murat comments as no one said that. Try and debate without acting like Truss

Practice what you preach.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You're so wrong Rowley!!

I've written to Warren asking him If I can have a WBO title strap (money is no object)...

and I'm not ready for it either!!

Nah thats not facetious at all...

rowley wrote:Is he a world champion or is he a prospect?

Both

Like a good lawyer missing the main points and smokescreening when you don't have a case!!!

Grow up Steffy and rebutt my points...Your butt is being handed to you!!

1, Most people think he's ordinary..

I have never heard or read this

2. Nobody expects world domination

Prehaps when I said world domination I was being OTT. People do expect unification fights though straight away which aint gonna happen

3. Just another dumb generalisation from you...

Not quite sure what 'point' I supposed to make to this...

manos de piedra wrote:

rowley wrote:Is he a world champion or is he a prospect?

Both

and in one word we sum up everything that is wrong with the sport today.

rowley wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

rowley wrote:Is he a world champion or is he a prospect?

Both

and in one word we sum up everything that is wrong with the sport today.

And who do you blame for it?

We expect unification fights for almost every single 'world champion' so why highlight Cleverly aside from him being welsh?

Imperial Ghosty wrote:We expect unification fights for almost every single 'world champion' so why highlight Cleverly aside from him being welsh?

I highlighted him because he is the UKs only world champion maybe?

I've never heard this....

You obviously don't bother to read posts on here then!!

Ah diddums Is a Welsh Boxer getting some flak!!

For an archaeologist I thought you'd dig up something better than this dribble!!

It's just nonsense..

Steffan wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:We expect unification fights for almost every single 'world champion' so why highlight Cleverly aside from him being welsh?

I highlighted him because he is the UKs only world champion maybe?

So he's a world champion who wont fight anyone half decent, seems like he deserves the criticism.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I've never heard this....

You obviously don't bother to read posts on here then!!

Ah diddums Is a Welsh Boxer getting some flak!!

For an archaeologist I thought you'd dig up something better than this dribble!!

It's just nonsense..

Yet you felt the need to comment on it. If its that bad then dont bother next time...just a thought

It's so bad I felt the need to comment on it..

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:We expect unification fights for almost every single 'world champion' so why highlight Cleverly aside from him being welsh?

I highlighted him because he is the UKs only world champion maybe?

So he's a world champion who wont fight anyone half decent, seems like he deserves the criticism.

I class Bellew as 'half decent'. Thats my opinion though

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:It's so bad I felt the need to comment on it..

So what did you make of Warrens comments then?

Bellew was really deserving of a world title wasn't he.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Bellew was really deserving of a world title wasn't he.

I never said that. I said he was half decent. The whole idea of 'deserving of a world title' is beating the champ (which ofcourse he didnt). Thats how it works see...

Tell you what.....

Minter beats Antuofermo and has to face Hagler!!!!

Douglas beats Tyson and has to face Holyfield 1st defence.....

Tucker beats Douglas and has to defend against Tyson....1st up

But diddums Cleverly has only been Champion for a year!!

His comments are a disgrace...

Sorry but Cleverly is a prime example of what is wrong with boxing.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Tell you what.....

Minter beats Antuofermo and has to face Hagler!!!!

Douglas beats Tyson and has to face Holyfield 1st defence.....

Tucker beats Douglas and has to defend against Tyson....1st up

But diddums Cleverly has only been Champion for a year!!

His comments are a disgrace...

There that wasnt too hard was it

Can't rebutt can you Son....!!!

Maussa gets Hatton 1st up............
Nazario gets Pernell Whittaker first up........
Parkey gets Holyfield first up.........
Ramirez gets camacho 1st up...........
Braddock gets Louis first up..........


But hey Cleverly has only been champ for a year!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Can't rebutt can you Son....!!!

So who would you like to see him fight then...Son?