Semi-Final Thread - Djokovic V Murray

[CaledonianCraig]

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All set for the off. I hope it is a great match and best of luck Andy.

Discuss....

[socal1976]

This is the worst Novak's forehand has looked in a long time Murray really picking his spots to move in much better.

[Guest]

If you run the 400 m you can get tired pretty quickly - in probaby less than 35 seconds if you are not conditioned. It's the intensity of play that is important, if it is too intense for Djokovic he will build up lactic acid very quickly. That is why Djokovic is taking more time between points to recover the oxygen deficit in order to prevent the lactic acid from building up too much.

[reckoner]

I would back Murray. I think Nadal in the final is a good thing. Not the Federer or Djokovic scars. But if Nadal starts like he ended against Berdych, could be another 3 set defeat.

But Nadal keeps thrashing Murray, Federer would be a better match no?

muzza and rafa are 1-1 in meetings here so maybe not?

you're counting Nadal withdrawing through injury?

Well it's in the books. Unless you know something legally we don't?

I'm genuinely confused - are you counting the time that Nadal withdrew with injury at the AO as a victory for Murray? I can't see anotheer AO victory for Murray.

[bogbrush]

Murray will be in despair if he loses this.

[socal1976]

There you go novak abuse the second serve like he is doing to you

[socal1976]

My god an ace and he got his first serve over

[Guest]

If you run the 400 m you can get tired pretty quickly - in probaby less than 35 seconds if you are not conditioned. It's the intensity of play that is important, if it is too intense for Djokovic he will build up lactic acid very quickly. That is why Djokovic is taking more time between points to recover the oxygen deficit in order to prevent the lactic acid from building up too much.

Indeed.. and he learnt this trick from The Nadull, who without these long breaks between points, would not be able to play his physical game to the same degree of intensity

[break_in_the_fifth]

Not Murray's fault Nadal injured himself during the match.

[socal1976]

Wow great shot Andy

[Jahu]

Come on Murray, deck him.

[Guest]

Murray will be in despair if he loses this.

No he won't (not too much anyway). This is the first time Murray has looked convincing against an "uninjured" top three player in a slam. He knows this strategy works. He has a plan that works. Its his serving that is letting him down which he can work on.

[Tenez]

If you run the 400 m you can get tired pretty quickly - in probaby less than 35 seconds if you are not conditioned. It's the intensity of play that is important, if it is too intense for Djokovic he will build up lactic acid very quickly. That is why Djokovic is taking more time between points to recover the oxygen deficit in order to prevent the lactic acid from building up too much.

That's what I have been saying for years. The problem is not so much the fatigue cause they can still run for hours but if your requires a sharp as opposed to shots like Murray, Djoko and Nadal who have safe margins, then you get in trouble very quickly after a few long rallies.

[socal1976]

Come on Novak if you get your first serve you will win

[reckoner]

Not Murray's fault Nadal injured himself during the match.

but as the match didn't go the distance I wouldn't use it to say Murray would be better off playing Nadal than Federer

[reckoner]

If you run the 400 m you can get tired pretty quickly - in probaby less than 35 seconds if you are not conditioned. It's the intensity of play that is important, if it is too intense for Djokovic he will build up lactic acid very quickly. That is why Djokovic is taking more time between points to recover the oxygen deficit in order to prevent the lactic acid from building up too much.

That's what I have been saying for years. The problem is not so much the fatigue cause they can still run for hours but if your requires a sharp as opposed to shots like Murray, Djoko and Nadal who have safe margins, then you get in trouble very quickly after a few long rallies.

kudos Tenez, you do have a point. I'm quite sad for what tennis has mutated into.

[Tenez]

Not Murray's fault Nadal injured himself during the match.

Actually it was. I don't think Nadal woudl have injured himself playing against you or me.

[Guest]

Oh minions I sense that this is the moment when Novak will turn the screw



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[Tenez]

If you run the 400 m you can get tired pretty quickly - in probaby less than 35 seconds if you are not conditioned. It's the intensity of play that is important, if it is too intense for Djokovic he will build up lactic acid very quickly. That is why Djokovic is taking more time between points to recover the oxygen deficit in order to prevent the lactic acid from building up too much.

That's what I have been saying for years. The problem is not so much the fatigue cause they can still run for hours but if your require a sharp game as opposed to shots like Murray, Djoko and Nadal who have safe margins, then you get in trouble very quickly after a few long rallies.

kudos Tenez, you do have a point. I'm quite sad for what tennis has mutated into.

[break_in_the_fifth]

Not Murray's fault Nadal injured himself during the match.

but as the match didn't go the distance I wouldn't use it to say Murray would be better off playing Nadal than Federer

It nearly did but I'd use other evidence to show Murray is more screwed against Nadal.

[LuvSports!]

Not Murray's fault Nadal injured himself during the match.

but as the match didn't go the distance I wouldn't use it to say Murray would be better off playing Nadal than Federer

But why would federer be better? he hasnt beaten rafa in a slam here and has only beaten him at wimby 06 and 07.

[break_in_the_fifth]

Not Murray's fault Nadal injured himself during the match.

Actually it was. I don't think Nadal woudl have injured himself playing against you or me.

Still Nadal's decision to "fight for every point" and to move like that to get the ball.

[Guest]

Murray has got after the Djokovic serve - putting enormous pressure on Djokovic. He is playing one ball at a time, one stroke at a time. That is what Lendl has done - he has given Murray a strategy.

It will take longer for Lendl to work on Murrays service game.

[Simple_Analyst]

Djokovic can't trouble the Murray serve but Murray getting into his. Murray had many chances and just not taking them.

[break_in_the_fifth]

Murray can't hit passing shots anymore. His prime was definitely a few years ago.

[reckoner]

Not Murray's fault Nadal injured himself during the match.

but as the match didn't go the distance I wouldn't use it to say Murray would be better off playing Nadal than Federer

But why would federer be better? he hasnt beaten rafa in a slam here and has only beaten him at wimby 06 and 07.

we were talking about murray playing federer or nadal, what are you on about?

[Tenez]

Not Murray's fault Nadal injured himself during the match.

Actually it was. I don't think Nadal woudl have injured himself playing against you or me.

Still Nadal's decision to "fight for every point" and to move like that to get the ball.

Do you really think it's a choice?

[break_in_the_fifth]

As much of a choice as his decision to play tennis in the first place.

[break_in_the_fifth]

Murray just can't get the winners when he needs them.

[Simple_Analyst]

Murray in charity mood. Djokovic giving him chances and open court but he is missing them.

[Tenez]

Murray is tiring too..and David Mercer just spotted it too.

[reckoner]

Murray just can't get the winners when he needs them.

he is too tight

[Guest]

Murray just can't get the winners when he needs them.

The fact that Murray hasn't already lost this match in straight sets is already an improvement. It's still Murray but with a plan.

[reckoner]

Lazarus Djokovic has risen

[Guest]

Oh minions this is the moment



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[break_in_the_fifth]

I don't doubt it is an improvement and I'm liking what I'm seeing much more than last years final.

[bogbrush]

Murray problem now is that he's turned himself into Djokovic fitness plus, but he simply can't execute enough technically sound shots.

I don't remember him like this when he emerged.

[luciusmann]

I'm amazed Djokovic is holding in there so well even though he is struggling to play well (for whatever reason). It's easy to see why he's World No.1, holds 3 of the 4 grand slams and beat Nadal 6 times in a row last year!

In football they say that it's not how well you're doing when you play well but it's how well you're doing when you're not playing you best that decides who wins the league....looks similar here (given how Djokovic is hanging in there so well).

[Tom_____]

If you run the 400 m you can get tired pretty quickly - in probaby less than 35 seconds if you are not conditioned. It's the intensity of play that is important, if it is too intense for Djokovic he will build up lactic acid very quickly. That is why Djokovic is taking more time between points to recover the oxygen deficit in order to prevent the lactic acid from building up too much.

That's what I have been saying for years. The problem is not so much the fatigue cause they can still run for hours but if your requires a sharp as opposed to shots like Murray, Djoko and Nadal who have safe margins, then you get in trouble very quickly after a few long rallies.

Again, as said before, if fans have a problem with the time taken by players, then then they should write to the ATP and ask for the way the 25s rules is applied to be changed. Currently the 25s starts after the umpire calls the score, rather than when the ball goes out of play, as many on here mistakenly think it is. The reason for the disparity is that crowd noise is not taken into account by the standard rules and so the players are deemed to be allowed 25s of relative 'quiet' to prepare for the next point. To accommodate this the Umpire only calls score after the crowd noise starts to dwindle - and it is at this moment that the last point is deemed to have ended.

The longer the rally the more the crowd tends to make noise after a point, hence long rallies naturally give players a few more seconds of time to recover between points. This is why both Djoko and Nadal 'appear', to the misinformed, that they take very long between points. Currently, as the rule is applied players are not deemed to be breaking the 25s rules particularly. I put stats up on here a while back showing that Roddick and Nadal play a similar pace, once you start the timer from when the umpire calls the point, which is the END of the last point as the rules are applied

The tissue thing a few games back for Djoko seemed a bit of a delaying tactic tho - but maybe Djokos problem is he has a cold messing up his breathing. it could be that simple.

..........Glad i laid off that bet right now.

[Guest]

The umpire looks scared

[break_in_the_fifth]

Why the hell couldn't Murray have gone for a backhand pass there with so much space if his backhand is so good?

[reckoner]

The umpire looks scared

... or bored

[reckoner]

epic fail Murray trying to do Federer shot

[Simple_Analyst]

Murray needee a tough game like that. He might ease up now and take his chances. Djokovic is just injured not even moving well.

[reckoner]

Djoker doesn't look tooo bothered does he?

[Guest]

Murray overcomes three set points to hold serve.

[Tenez]

The umpire looks scared

[break_in_the_fifth]

Even if Murray breaks, will he be able to close out the set?

[Guest]

Murray with breakpoints.

[Guest]

From having three setpoints against him Murray is now serving for the set.

[LuvSports!]

6-5!

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