Donnacha Ryan to be cited?

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:56 am

Surely O'Callaghan will be cited for his malicious charge on Adam Jones that led to Bradley Davies taking the law into his own hands?

It was identical to the Bakkies Botha charge on the same player which if I recall correctly received about 2 weeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7CM-_JlG64

by red_stag Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:05 pm

Wrong player.

by bluestonevedder Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:08 pm

It was Donnacha Ryan if I remember correctly. When I saw it, I thought it was just a very physical counter-ruck, but maybe I'm wrong. Anyone got any footage of it?

by gowales Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:16 pm

You might wanna change the name or else you'll enrage the Irish posters!

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:17 pm

Who was it?

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:18 pm

D Ryan?

by andy powells minder Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:20 pm

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:20 pm

Dirty *******

by Mickado Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:22 pm

I'd say Ryan should probably be cited for making Davies take the law into his own hands. Reckless.

by red_stag Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:22 pm

Sure why not.

Ryan will get the two week ban he deserves.

Davies will get the electric chair that he deserves.

Justice 4 !

by bluestonevedder Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:22 pm

I said who it was above

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:23 pm

For the record, Davies should get about 6 weeks. It's just frustrating that the incident which eld to it has rather been swept under the carpet.

by gnollbeast Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:24 pm

Ryan was going to get it I just wish Bradley Davies had used his thick skull and not been so blatant.

by Mickado Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:25 pm

He made a red card tackle and only got a yellow. So it wasn’t that blatant…

by red_stag Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:34 pm

Chunkey can I ask, why be so clearly Wumish about the whole thing.

It would have made a top discussion as to whether there was an offence on Adam Jones and Ryan should receive a sanction.

However the tone of this whole article - referring to Ryan as "Donnacha something" and suggesting he is a "dirty *****" has ruined any chance with that.

People respond to smartalec posts with a smartalec answer and any actual talk is ruined. You aren't an unintelligent fella you know what your doing. Why go to such effort to deliberately create such a tone.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:35 pm

Red-Stag I can only think your sense of humour has withered after yesterday's result. I shall try and change the topic subject since it offends you so much.

by gowales Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:35 pm

It was called Donnacha O'Callaghan before he is just unsure of the real name.

by bluestonevedder Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:37 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUm9Whlaydc

by red_stag Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:51 pm

Fair enough Chunky. Maybe tone is hard to convey but to me you clearly didn't mean this to be a funny article.

by Hookisms and Hyperbole Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:23 pm

red_stag wrote:Fair enough Chunky. Maybe tone is hard to convey but to me you clearly didn't mean this to be a funny article.

He's a total troll, what do you expect. Stag haven't you ever been taught not to feed the trolls?

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:37 pm

Ouch.

by RubyGuby Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:44 pm

It was a strange one from Bradley, he's an abrasive player but I've never seen him as being dirty - he reacted in an emotionally charged way to Ryan taking a couple of cheap shots and he will pay for his actions with a rightful lengthy ban. thumbsup

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:52 pm

Bakkies Botha ran half way across the field to do his work, Ryan took 2 or 3 steps - nothing in it, vigorous counter-rucking. Surprised that Ferris even had a penalty against him tbh

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:58 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Bakkies Botha ran half way across the field to do his work, Ryan took 2 or 3 steps - nothing in it, vigorous counter-rucking.

Is that the rule then? The number of steps has a bearing?

Nope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUm9Whlaydc#t=0m19s

No arms. Shoulder charge on a defenseless player. Citing should occur. V Dangerous play.

Counter rucking is BINDING.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:00 pm

you can't bind if you get pushed off (by Davies)? Are you seeing what you want to see or viewing with an unbiased eye?

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:01 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote: you can't bind if you get pushed off (by Davies)?

What the hell are you talking about? D Ryan lands square on Jones' shoulder with no arms offering a bind.

by Hookisms and Hyperbole Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:02 pm

Yum yum yum yum. The troll is well fed today

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:03 pm

Hookisms and Hyperbole wrote:Yum yum yum yum. The troll is well fed today

Another quality 100% post on the sport of rugby.

by gowales Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:03 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote: you can't bind if you get pushed off (by Davies)? Are you seeing what you want to see or viewing with an unbiased eye?

What are you on about. Where does Ryan get pushed off by (Davies). Hes on the floor he gets up and he smashes into the ruck.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:04 pm

gowales wrote:
AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote: you can't bind if you get pushed off (by Davies)? Are you seeing what you want to see or viewing with an unbiased eye?

What are you on about. Where does Ryan get pushed off by (Davies). Hes on the floor he gets up and he smashes into the ruck.

Hmm, yes = rucking

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:06 pm

gowales wrote:
AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote: you can't bind if you get pushed off (by Davies)? Are you seeing what you want to see or viewing with an unbiased eye?

What are you on about. Where does Ryan get pushed off by (Davies). Hes on the floor he gets up and he smashes into the ruck.

He gets pushed off the ball by Davies after he knocks Adam Jones to the floor?

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:06 pm

Rucking = binding

Learn the laws.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:06 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote: you can't bind if you get pushed off (by Davies)?

What the hell are you talking about? D Ryan lands square on Jones' shoulder with no arms offering a bind.

With Adam Jones on the floor, what is he meant to bind on exactly?

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:07 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:He gets pushed off the ball by Davies after he knocks Adam Jones to the floor?

No offence, but I think you're looking at a different incidemt. Or a different video.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:08 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote: you can't bind if you get pushed off (by Davies)?

What the hell are you talking about? D Ryan lands square on Jones' shoulder with no arms offering a bind.
With Adam Jones on the floor, what is he meant to bind on exactly?

Rhys Gill's shoulders

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:09 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:He gets pushed off the ball by Davies after he knocks Adam Jones to the floor?

No offence, but I think you're looking at a different incidemt. Or a different video.

None taken, but I don't think we are - same incident, you see it differently, fairy muff

by gowales Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:09 pm

If he can't bind then he can't ruck. Thats the laws

by Hookisms and Hyperbole Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:11 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Hookisms and Hyperbole wrote:Yum yum yum yum. The troll is well fed today

Another quality 100% post on the sport of rugby.

The same could be said of your constant baiting.

by Hookisms and Hyperbole Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:12 pm

All this distracts from a cowardly attempt by Davies to purposefully break the neck of an opposition player. Ryan should be banned, probably about the 2-3 week mark would be somewhere in the range for this offence. Davies should get at the very least 6-8 weeks.

by gowales Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:13 pm

Yes we know that. Did you not read the title it says Donnacha Ryan to be cited. That means that here we are discussing wether Donnacha Ryan should be cited.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:17 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:

It was identical to the Bakkies Botha charge on the same player which if I recall correctly received about 2 weeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7CM-_JlG64

If you look at this one ^ I think D Ryan's is actually worse.

by SecretFly Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:18 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:For the record, Davies should get about 6 weeks. It's just frustrating that the incident which eld to it has rather been swept under the carpet.

Why don't you do the 'for the record' bit before you start throwing the meat cleavers? At least then we'll know the blood gushing from our temples is nothing personal and that you realise you had an ***hole in your ranks too.

by Hookisms and Hyperbole Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:21 pm

gowales wrote:Yes we know that. Did you not read the title it says Donnacha Ryan to be cited. That means that here we are discussing wether Donnacha Ryan should be cited.

The original post is from a troll, a WUM if your prefer. It is fairly obvious he should get cited. It's a pity there is a minority of Welsh fans who have absolutely no class. Warren Gatland was embarrassed by the tackle, that was there for all to see. You should be equally embarrassed that you have fans who feel that Davies was justified because of what Ryan did. Ryan was wrong and should get cited. Davies attempted to break his neck. Let me say it again- Davies purposefully lifted a player up in the air in an attempt to seriously injure him. And you have the gall to be pedantic with me? You should be ashamed of yourself frankly. This is one of the most disgusting incidents I have seen on a rugby field in quite some time and your focus is on Ryan. Good man. You are a credit to Welsh rugby

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:21 pm

http://www.irblaws.com/EN/laws/3/10/95/during-the-match/foul-play/dangerous-play-and-misconduct/#clause_95

Under section K which ciovers dangerous charging into a ruck or maul:

Players must not charge into a ruck or maul without binding onto a player in the ruck or maul.
Sanction: Penalty kick

Theres a video example on there. This is what Danny Care got carded for which made Jonson flip out a few years ago, what Botha did and got the whole of SA ina strop over ( I believe the sanctions were increased in 2009 along with the changes to spear tackles)

Its not legal to charge into a ruck and not bind, and is now punished with a heavy sacntion.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:21 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:For the record, Davies should get about 6 weeks. It's just frustrating that the incident which eld to it has rather been swept under the carpet.

Why don't you do the 'for the record' bit before you start throwing the meat cleavers? At least then we'll know the blood gushing from our temples is nothing personal and that you realise you had an ***hole in your ranks too.

Because I've already posted that about 3 times before this thread was started.

This is about Ryan's incident. Try and look at it in isolation.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:23 pm

Hookisms and Hyperbole wrote: You should be equally embarrassed that you have fans who feel that Davies was justified because of what Ryan did.

Ooooooh deary me.

I'm going to have to ask you to point me out a couple of these fans as example please.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:24 pm

Folks, can you leave the
"you're a wum"
"No you're a wum"
stuff in the playground where it belongs and get back to debating.

by SecretFly Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:32 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:For the record, Davies should get about 6 weeks. It's just frustrating that the incident which eld to it has rather been swept under the carpet.

Why don't you do the 'for the record' bit before you start throwing the meat cleavers? At least then we'll know the blood gushing from our temples is nothing personal and that you realise you had an ***hole in your ranks too.

Because I've already posted that about 3 times before this thread was started.

This is about Ryan's incident. Try and look at it in isolation.

So you wrote 3 specific threads about Davis being bold and needing 6 weeks...or you placed 3 comments in the bowls of someone else's post admitting that 'yeah, I know - so it was a spear tackle - but he's not dirty like, just annoyed.'?

Sorry for getting it all so wrong.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:41 pm

SecretFly wrote:
So you wrote 3 specific threads about Davis being bold and needing 6 weeks...or you placed 3 comments in the bowls of someone else's post admitting that 'yeah, I know - so it was a spear tackle - but he's not dirty like, just annoyed.'?

Sorry for getting it all so wrong.

You've lost me. Brad Davies is guilty and deserves all he gets.

Can we discuss D Ryan now?

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:42 pm

Kiwireddevil wrote:
Folks, can you leave the
"you're a wum"
"No you're a wum"
stuff in the playground where it belongs and get back to debating.

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