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Post by HammerofThunor Wed 08 Feb 2012, 7:38 am

Rejuvenated Nottingham chase Premiership dream

By Owen Phillips
BBC Sport
Nottingham Rugby chief executive Simon Beatham is enjoying their rejuvenation more than anyone.
Fifteen years of fulfilling various roles at a club means he has every right to.
Just over two years ago the Green & Whites - a club already no stranger to turbulent times - were riddled with financial problems and on the verge of folding.
Beatham, a former player, director of rugby and then board member, had just about given up hope of Nottingham surviving.

We had a board meeting and had just about agreed that the rugby club wasn't viable anymore

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And bizarrely it was only the near demise of their tenants Notts County Football Club that spared them.
"We had a board meeting and had just about agreed that the rugby club wasn't viable anymore," Beatham told BBC Sport.
"That week everything at Notts County with Munto Finance fell apart, and if that had kept going for another few weeks then Nottingham Rugby could well not be here.
"It got to that difficult a stage where we were getting crippled in everything we were trying to do. We were really, really struggling."
Thankfully new owners salvaged the wreckage at Meadow Lane - both for the Magpies, and for Nottingham - and since then a board reshuffle at the rugby club has seen significant investment in the playing side and brought much-needed stability off the pitch.
Beatham added: "The way that the new owners have taken us under their wing is fantastic and that was the start of it. Before then we were struggling.
"We had the agreement here [with Notts County] and they would let us use the facilities but we were very much a tenant and worked on it that way.
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" When Ray Trew, Luke Jones, Jason Brewer and Jim Rodwell as a group bought the club that shifted fundamentally, and the whole position within the organisation and their desire to help us be successful just increased dramatically.
"For many years we have been scraping along the bottom and been in survival mode.
"Since Christmas 2010, for the first time in a long time, we have had some stability and have actually been able to plan rather than just being in re-active, firefighting mode."
Beatham was appointed chief executive - a role that had previously been vacant because of the costs involved - and a steady stream of new players have been signed.
"That has been hugely beneficial both on the field and off it. Those improvements people can see on the field straight away because we sign a Filipo Levi or a Sean Romans.
"But it's also off the pitch and we are looking at how we can build the business of Nottingham Rugby so that it [Premiership rugby] is here and sustainable."
And now, despite a mixed season on the pitch, the Green & Whites have a realistic chance of reaching the Premiership via the Championship play-offs.
"We have as good a chance as anybody in that competition," Beatham said.

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"There isn't a stand-out team like a Harlequins, Northampton or a Worcester that will get promoted again. Leeds are in the middle of the pack and Bristol have been in the Championship for a couple of seasons so this season, more than any, it is up for grabs."
To be talking about reaching the top-flight and all the financial reward and exposure that brings is a welcome relief - but something Beatham insists the club have never lost sight of.
"The ambition, as it always has been, is it to get into the Premiership," he added.
"With the new backers, that dream is that much closer. It's still an incredibly difficult thing to achieve but we have always believed that a city and a region the size of Nottingham could support a Premiership rugby side and our job is to make that happen."
That means long-term planning.
And events like the Family Big Day Out - which was scheduled for Sunday's home game against Leeds and would have seen ticket prices cut to £5 for adults and £1 for children before the cold weather intervened - are seen as the ideal way of ensuring the next generation of rugby fans.
But increasing crowds at Meadow Lane to a level that will sustain Premiership rugby is no easy feat - especially given the area's huge football heritage.
Average attendance in the Championship is just below 2,000 but Nottingham's aim is to bring in around 2,500. And they will have to move on to the next level if they reach the top flight.
"If you go into the Premiership, for a city the size of Nottingham, we would be looking to get an average crowd of 5,000-7000," Beatham added.
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Having been in the depths of the third division to having a genuine chance of going into the Premiership is a fantastic journey

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"And when we play side like Leicester or Northampton we would expect to get a spike on that.
"But we have to convert people and let them know because the reality is, if we did a survey in Nottingham many people would not know who we are, what level we play at or where we played.
"We have a long way to go but being in the Premiership changes all that.
"We think it's a really well kept secret and we want people to come and experience the rugby and introduce it to new people. It's about showing the product we have and trying to get people here with the hope they like it and come back.
"We think we have a value offering and want people to be aware of it. It's not a short-term gimmick, it's part of a longer-term growth strategy."
Raising the club's profile will be a lot easier given the Ali Willams factor.
The All Blacks World Cup winner made a huge impact in his short stint at Meadow Lane as a player and is now in an advisory role.
"The stature of him as a player is just phenomenal. We have to look how we can maximise his involvement and get the most out of it for us, and for him," Beatham added.
Success on the pitch would also complete a remarkable adventure for Beatham.
"I came 15 years ago as a player, got injured early and went straight into coaching, so was director of rugby for eight years and then a board director," he explained.
"So having been in the depths of the third division, not knowing where we were going to get a team from and playing in Lydney on Christmas Eve with 10 people watching, to having a genuine chance of going into the Premiership is a fantastic journey."

This why we have to put up with relegation. So that clubs like Nottingham can aspire to reach the top level (like Exeter have).

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Post by Adam D Wed 08 Feb 2012, 7:39 am

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Wed 08 Feb 2012, 8:51 am

How would Nottingham go in the premiership without farmed-out Leicester players?

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Post by beshocked Wed 08 Feb 2012, 9:40 am

Strange that the BBC decide to focus on a side 8th in the Championship. That's hardly rejuvenated in my opinion.

Nottingham have floated around in the Championship for some time.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed 08 Feb 2012, 10:12 am

BS,

The difference is ( as he mentions) that they spent the last few years making no effort to bettr themselves and be more than a regional feeder for Tigers.
Now they are in a position where they can make a financialy vviable assault onm promotion, it doesnt mean they feel they are contenders overnight.
Its a fundamental shift in ambition. There are several clubs, who even in years they made playoffs, didnt want promotion because as you say their financial model was based on dual registrations and picking up development players.
It may be some time before they assemble a squad capable of getting up, but it appears the club beleive they have the backing and financial ability to comepte in the premiership shoudl they get there.
A good thing for rugby in this country iof its real.

Of course by the time they get there we could well have a ring fenced two tier premiership anyway. They are posirtioned to be part of that 16-20 group of clubs.

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Post by beshocked Wed 08 Feb 2012, 10:17 am

I thought Nottingham were still a regional feeder for Leicester.

Fair enough PSW.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 08 Feb 2012, 11:04 am

How would Nottingham go in the premiership without farmed-out Leicester players?.

They are relying less and less on loan deals from Tigers, there are still the likes of Lewington and De Carpienter pulling on the green and white every now and then but it is much changed from a few years ago when a percentage of the side were Tigers A Team. There still plenty of ex-Tigers players in there and the agreement between the club is still going but generally Notts sign up the players that don't quite make it at Tigers off their own backs rather than loaning them.

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Post by Geordie Wed 08 Feb 2012, 12:19 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:How would Nottingham go in the premiership without farmed-out Leicester players?

And how would Leicester do without the Newcastle Falcons academy? Wink

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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 08 Feb 2012, 12:44 pm

Tigers minus Parling, Woods, Young, Flood, Tait and Brookes. Well Tait and Brookes never play anyway (injuries), Young is third choice behind Youngs and Harrison, Woods is second choice behind Salvi and so only Flood and Parling are first choice. To be honest we'd struggle minus those two, particularly Flood (well until Ford comes into his own anyway).

To make it up to you we'll send Grindal back to you at the end of the season.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed 08 Feb 2012, 2:36 pm

beshocked wrote:I thought Nottingham were still a regional feeder for Leicester.

Fair enough PSW.

They still are at this point, they are just trying to move away from being one and seem to think they have the financial model to do so.

Just means Bedford will get the next Twelvetrees I guess.


Maybe Sarries could start using Wasps when they get relegated.

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Post by Bleedsgreenanwhite Thu 09 Feb 2012, 3:16 pm

Tigers have moved on. they have a new arrangement with Rotherham to send them DR players. Nottingham still have some but we are definitely moving away from this as it means you never know who is going to get recalled to play in Guinness A league matches, or to warm the bench when they were going to be in your starting 15. Tigers helped us to stay competitive for some years but it is not what the fans want long term. Nottingham is probably in the best shape we have been in since professionalism and the ambition at the club must be applauded. The results on the pitch are going to start to match the ambition now we have some cash to build a squad.

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Post by Geordie Thu 09 Feb 2012, 3:25 pm

Which England fb played for Nottingham?

Was it SImon Hodgkinson or Webb?

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Post by Bleedsgreenanwhite Thu 09 Feb 2012, 4:01 pm

That was Hodgkinson. Webb was Bristol I think. He replaced Hodgy.

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Post by Bleedsgreenanwhite Thu 09 Feb 2012, 4:11 pm

Bristol then Bath

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