Could Chisora have been more stupid????

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One minute he's getting on with Vit... hopefully so well Vitali might be cruising on autopilot....increasing his chances of winning!!

next he's assaulting the guy and making sure Vitali is 100% committed and focused on destroying him....

Always thought Chisora was dumb.....

On a sidenote... noticed some people applauding this stunt on another thread...Remember he had a British scarf stuck to his face when he did it!!! It isn't to be applauded and it doesn't make Britain look good!!

Come on Klitsy do a job on him...

the K's are over, they are getting on. fights against boxers like choisoria and haye are the best they get- heavyweight is dead at present, boxing is facing stiff competition with other formats,lacks peoples winners(certainly not the k's!!) and large characters- why did he bother taking a fight like this if he wants some other carrer!

nope i dont buy into it- other than the fact they will do anything if the price is right - and at this time that price isnt even much.

articulate nice guys- wtf are you on about, embarrass ze germans- er am i missing something here- its all about selling themselves to the american market first and foremost and the fights to the british market as well

Are you bloody daft - selling themselves to the british and the americans? Sky dont do ppvs any more and america doesnt even play this on their free to air tv let alone subscription channels. All they've got its germany and they make a hell of a lot of money. because thats where all their fans are. He's winding down his career so he can go into politics and wlad will be the sole champion. All their money comes from the way they conduct themselves wherever they go - if they suddenly get involved in something as seedy as this they lose their home support - whats left?

German channels have a long term contract - 6-8 fights - a bit of bad behaviour and they dont get a renewed contract from the few people that will pay their demand.

all they have is germany lol!!

your calling me daft!!

omg its not about the k's you buffon, its about doing something staged because some tv producers have bunged them some money- they need to make the return- and no germany isnt enough- the world is there limit. and even then the incident will still garner more interest in germany from the slap!!

90% of fights at the moment are big time jokes- people paying to watch them are getting conned!

vitali wants into politics- all i can say is the guy has more chance being remebered as someone like mohamad ali!!

You miss the very importrant point- the fight was on boxnation- when did boxnation become subscription- errr yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

seriously you should look abit closer to home before you call people daft!

Shah's absolutely right.

The US pulled their coverage of HW boxing after Vitali retired the first time - that's why he doesn't really fight stateside any more. He went over to hand Arreola a whipping - but it still didn't get the coverage it deserved.

Whereas in the former Eastern bloc - the brothers are massive. Idolised in the Ukraine (not unfairly) and heroes in Germany. They make an awful lot of money every time they fight.

The idea that their being "articulate" is an act entertains me. They are both more articulate in English - their third language - than Chisora or Haye - their first language.

As for Vitali going into politics - he's already run for mayor of Kiev - and he's widely touted as a future winner - once his boxing career is over.

You underestimate their popularity.

nope not in the slightest oxring- you couldnt be more wrong, the k's are just pawns and as said bvefore will do anything for money!

oxring wrote:As for Vitali going into politics - he's already run for mayor of Kiev - and he's widely touted as a future winner - once his boxing career is over.

You underestimate their popularity.

you overestimate their intellegence and ability

Mystir of course it was - because boxnation is franks channel and chisora is franks fighter. Frank warren you know - ol Frank Warren? They wouldn't show Vitali vs Helenius - probably wouldnt be able to afford it.

ShahenshahG wrote:Mystir of course it was - because boxnation is franks channel and chisora is franks fighter. Frank warren you know - ol Frank Warren? They wouldn't show Vitali vs Helenius - probably wouldnt be able to afford it.

and you think a slap isnt gonna get more subscribers!! 100% yes it is!!

what the heck is your point- why is this so hard to get though

They dont get money from british subscriptions - because those subs pay for all the fights that boxnation show. They wouldnt be able to afford vitali or wlad fights unless they were fighting franks fighter which in this case they were.

Chisora might have done it for that but the Klitschkos wouldn't - they even stopped him from playing the only fools and horses theme in his ringwalk because they thought it was too silly.

And as a result got everything they deserved.

What - a comfortable win and two people they dislike facing arrest in exchange for a slap and a bit of water spat out?

ShahenshahG wrote:They dont get money from british subscriptions - because those subs pay for all the fights that boxnation show. They wouldnt be able to afford vitali or wlad fights unless they were fighting franks fighter which in this case they were.

we are on completly different wavelengths obviously, the point is simple- the slap may have been staged to garner interest,.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:And as a result got everything they deserved.

You're better than this Ghosty.

BREAKING, transcript of pre-fight negotiations wrote:
VK: No - you can't play your usual music.
C: Fine, I'll spit in your brothers face, try to stop him watching the handwraps and slap you at the weigh in. Oh and cause chaos in the post fight presser. OK?
VK: Yeah, seems reasonable.

mystiroakey wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:They dont get money from british subscriptions - because those subs pay for all the fights that boxnation show. They wouldnt be able to afford vitali or wlad fights unless they were fighting franks fighter which in this case they were.

we are on completly different wavelengths obviously, the point is simple- the slap may have been staged to garner interest,.

Thats just it - chisora may have but the Klitschkos never would.

one or both of the fighters may/could be bought to stage a little heated exchange, they may not. nothing surprises me

ShahenshahG wrote:They dont get money from british subscriptions - because those subs pay for all the fights that boxnation show. They wouldnt be able to afford vitali or wlad fights unless they were fighting franks fighter which in this case they were.

They've bought Mayweather Cotto over Sky which couldn't have been cheap.

Fair cop but Vitali was as shocked as anyone - but more likely it was spontanous cuz chisora is a nutter who bites opponents and randomly kisses them as well

Mayweather = guaranteed sell Alex. Whos going to risk it on two fighters only some of us follow

ShahenshahG wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:They dont get money from british subscriptions - because those subs pay for all the fights that boxnation show. They wouldnt be able to afford vitali or wlad fights unless they were fighting franks fighter which in this case they were.

we are on completly different wavelengths obviously, the point is simple- the slap may have been staged to garner interest,.

Thats just it - chisora may have but the Klitschkos never would.

thats were we disagree, back to the start we go, neither of us are gonna change our views on this.

if them fighters are so respectable- maybe they should just give us what we want !!

fight each other

oxring wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:And as a result got everything they deserved.

You're better than this Ghosty.

BREAKING, transcript of pre-fight negotiations wrote:
VK: No - you can't play your usual music.
C: Fine, I'll spit in your brothers face, try to stop him watching the handwraps and slap you at the weigh in. Oh and cause chaos in the post fight presser. OK?
VK: Yeah, seems reasonable.

What have they done to deserve respect from Chisora?

They have for the past 18 months messed Chisora around so deserve no respect in return and am very happy that he showed them the disrespect they deserve, they are a disgrace to boxing.

mystiroakey wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:They dont get money from british subscriptions - because those subs pay for all the fights that boxnation show. They wouldnt be able to afford vitali or wlad fights unless they were fighting franks fighter which in this case they were.

we are on completly different wavelengths obviously, the point is simple- the slap may have been staged to garner interest,.

Thats just it - chisora may have but the Klitschkos never would.

thats were we disagree, back to the start we go, neither of us are gonna change our views on this.

if them fighters are so respectable- maybe they should just give us what we want !!

fight each other

Yes the respectable thing to do is try to pound your brother into submission for some money.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

oxring wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:And as a result got everything they deserved.

You're better than this Ghosty.

BREAKING, transcript of pre-fight negotiations wrote:
VK: No - you can't play your usual music.
C: Fine, I'll spit in your brothers face, try to stop him watching the handwraps and slap you at the weigh in. Oh and cause chaos in the post fight presser. OK?
VK: Yeah, seems reasonable.

What have they done to deserve respect from Chisora?

They have for the past 18 months messed Chisora around so deserve no respect in return and am very happy that he showed them the disrespect they deserve, they are a disgrace to boxing.

They're the champ. Giving him a voluntary shot at the greatest prize of all.

I'm not saying he should be falling on his knees thanking them for the opportunity - but without them - we wouldn't be talking about Chisora. He shouldn't be slapping them. That's ingratitude.

ShahenshahG wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:They dont get money from british subscriptions - because those subs pay for all the fights that boxnation show. They wouldnt be able to afford vitali or wlad fights unless they were fighting franks fighter which in this case they were.

we are on completly different wavelengths obviously, the point is simple- the slap may have been staged to garner interest,.

Thats just it - chisora may have but the Klitschkos never would.

thats were we disagree, back to the start we go, neither of us are gonna change our views on this.

if them fighters are so respectable- maybe they should just give us what we want !!

fight each other

Yes the respectable thing to do is try to pound your brother into submission for some money.

not sure i understand the difference between pounding any fellow human being into submission, brother or not

Think most of the rest of the world does

ok good for you and the rest of the world then!

oxring wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

oxring wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:And as a result got everything they deserved.

You're better than this Ghosty.

BREAKING, transcript of pre-fight negotiations wrote:
VK: No - you can't play your usual music.
C: Fine, I'll spit in your brothers face, try to stop him watching the handwraps and slap you at the weigh in. Oh and cause chaos in the post fight presser. OK?
VK: Yeah, seems reasonable.

What have they done to deserve respect from Chisora?

They have for the past 18 months messed Chisora around so deserve no respect in return and am very happy that he showed them the disrespect they deserve, they are a disgrace to boxing.

They're the champ. Giving him a voluntary shot at the greatest prize of all.

I'm not saying he should be falling on his knees thanking them for the opportunity - but without them - we wouldn't be talking about Chisora. He shouldn't be slapping them. That's ingratitude.

You can't sign for a fight twice and cancel at the last minute both times and expect to be shown respect.

its an all time low point in heavyweight boxing thats for sure!

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

oxring wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

oxring wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:And as a result got everything they deserved.

You're better than this Ghosty.

BREAKING, transcript of pre-fight negotiations wrote:
VK: No - you can't play your usual music.
C: Fine, I'll spit in your brothers face, try to stop him watching the handwraps and slap you at the weigh in. Oh and cause chaos in the post fight presser. OK?
VK: Yeah, seems reasonable.

What have they done to deserve respect from Chisora?

They have for the past 18 months messed Chisora around so deserve no respect in return and am very happy that he showed them the disrespect they deserve, they are a disgrace to boxing.

They're the champ. Giving him a voluntary shot at the greatest prize of all.

I'm not saying he should be falling on his knees thanking them for the opportunity - but without them - we wouldn't be talking about Chisora. He shouldn't be slapping them. That's ingratitude.

You can't sign for a fight twice and cancel at the last minute both times and expect to be shown respect.

Really? So Burley should have slapped Sugar or spat at him when they met at the boxing hall of fame induction?

why not oxring- might have made everyone more money

I wouldn't admonish Burley were he to have done it, Chisora was shown no respect so is well within his rights to disrespect them in return, average fighters in an average era who get far too much credit.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I wouldn't admonish Burley were he to have done it, Chisora was shown no respect so is well within his rights to disrespect them in return, average fighters in an average era who get far too much credit.

If they're average fighters in an average era - then why are they so dominant?

C'mon Ghosty - how hard is it to say that they're decent fighters? That they're good in an average era?

Average in terms of greatness Oxy, what have they ever done to suggest they are great let alone very good, failing to beat an ageing out of sorts Lewis? Being knocked out by Purrity, Sanders and Brewster with no credible wins to make amends for it?

Sorry but spitting at someone is vile and disgusting. That was way out of line. Push him, shove him, call him the only gay in the arena. But not spitting.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Average in terms of greatness Oxy, what have they ever done to suggest they are great let alone very good, failing to beat an ageing out of sorts Lewis? Being knocked out by Purrity, Sanders and Brewster with no credible wins to make amends for it?

What counts as a credible win? Do you want them to make a Joe Louis figure?

Haye was supposed to be the "test" that would define their reign - and Wladimir wandered through it like it wasn't even a bump in the road. Sure - he fought cautiously - Haye was supposed to have dynamite in his gloves.

They are head and shoulders better than their opposition - and we can't really tell how good their opposition actually is.

Certainly - both are in a 10-15 bracket on an all time HW list.

azania wrote:Sorry but spitting at someone is vile and disgusting. That was way out of line. Push him, shove him, call him the only gay in the arena. But not spitting.

Was it spitting though?

I am not condoning it, but it was more a spraying of water than actually launching a greenie in his face!

Top 10-15 is far too high, they don't belong in the Liston, Frazier, Holyfield, Tyson, Charles or Tunney bracket.

I've got Charles inside my top 10.

In no order - Louis, Marciano, Ali, Holmes, Johnson, Tunney, Charles, Dempsey, Lewis, Frazier, Foreman, Jeffries, Holyfield, Tyson.

Who else to keep one of them out? Bowe? Achieved very little after beating Holy. Liston? Similar arguments and a mob fighter. Patterson? No. Corbett or Sullivan? Much as I love them both - I couldn't put them in over a WladiK or Vit. Frankly - there's an argument to say that Tyson doesn't belong above them either.

Adam D wrote:

azania wrote:Sorry but spitting at someone is vile and disgusting. That was way out of line. Push him, shove him, call him the only gay in the arena. But not spitting.

Was it spitting though?

I am not condoning it, but it was more a spraying of water than actually launching a greenie in his face!

He spat it out of his mouth. Its vile and disgusting.

Liston is easily above the pair, what on earth has either done that makes them come close to him? And what argument is there that either is above Tyson? Ludicrous.

Would also have Fitzsimmons and Bowe above Wladimir but lower than Vitali.

oxring wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Average in terms of greatness Oxy, what have they ever done to suggest they are great let alone very good, failing to beat an ageing out of sorts Lewis? Being knocked out by Purrity, Sanders and Brewster with no credible wins to make amends for it?

What counts as a credible win? Do you want them to make a Joe Louis figure?

Haye was supposed to be the "test" that would define their reign - and Wladimir wandered through it like it wasn't even a bump in the road. Sure - he fought cautiously - Haye was supposed to have dynamite in his gloves.

They are head and shoulders better than their opposition - and we can't really tell how good their opposition actually is.

Certainly - both are in a 10-15 bracket on an all time HW list.

I agree totally (go see your shrink now....I can recommend a good one for you).

When I said top 10 I got some serious heat here (again). I'd say deffo top 15.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Liston is easily above the pair, what on earth has either done that makes them come close to him? And what argument is there that either is above Tyson? Ludicrous.

Would also have Fitzsimmons and Bowe above Wladimir but lower than Vitali.

I'd have Wlad above Vit.

Adam D wrote:

azania wrote:Sorry but spitting at someone is vile and disgusting. That was way out of line. Push him, shove him, call him the only gay in the arena. But not spitting.

Was it spitting though?

I am not condoning it, but it was more a spraying of water than actually launching a greenie in his face!

It was spitwater - sent on command of William hague - because if we sent a spitfire Merkel woud have topped herself.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Liston is easily above the pair, what on earth has either done that makes them come close to him?

Stayed at the very top of the division for longer, not lost in circumstances as ignominious as Ali-Liston II, etc. I actually agree with you that Liston belongs higher, but honestly Ghosty, would it kill you to actually say something, anything in fact, remotely complimentary about the Klitschkos? Just conceding that they are 'good' fighters would be enough.

Hes been mighty peed at em ever since they stopped a ofah tune. Someone get him a boxset.

No Chris because they don't deserve it.

I forgot that Brewster, Sanders and Purrity never happened, far worse than losing to the greatest of them all.

azania wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Liston is easily above the pair, what on earth has either done that makes them come close to him? And what argument is there that either is above Tyson? Ludicrous.

Would also have Fitzsimmons and Bowe above Wladimir but lower than Vitali.

I'd have Wlad above Vit.

What did Bowe ever do? Go 2-1 against Holyfield and dump a belt in a bin to avoid Lewis - before getting outboxed by Golota?

Fitzsimmons? A man who actually said whilst sitting in a sauna after the Corbett fight:

Bob Fitzsimmons wrote: 'eavyweight champion of the world. And i'm only a bleeding middleweight"

Tyson beat some decent opponents before Douglas - but his career after Douglas was notable by its absence of top opposition. I rate prolonged dominance over transient dominance.

Liston? For beating Williams and Patterson twice?

I don't like rating Mob fighters too highly. He's in the mix, certainly - but his title reign was very, very brief. Prolonged dominance, Ghosty.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:No Chris because they don't deserve it.

I forgot that Brewster, Sanders and Purrity never happened, far worse than losing to the greatest of them all.

You can throw that at Wlad, but not Vit to be fair, the only losses Vit had were due to injury and Lennox Lewis on cuts (albeit most certainly not a 100% Lewis.)