DEVALUED WIN ? how many minutes ?

Someone has to win, a draw being quite unlikely.
So: how many minutes past 6 o'clock Saturday evening before we see the word 'devalued' written on this 606 forum ?

1 if England win, 2 if Wales do (HERSH's slow typing)

Wins a win - Happily take it devalued or not

It's not going to come to that though

I think there have been a number of times when Wales have approached a game with a collective intensity about the whole team. The Wales/Ire Q/F and the Wales/France G/S match in 2008 immediately spring to mind. For whatever reason every player turned up, I think we'll see that on Saturday - There is no way Wales will underestimate England and lose all strategy because they think it will be easy [a la Scotland match first half]

I think Wales will stick to a pre-determined attack/defence game plan without deviation for the first 60 minutes at least - If they play with the purpose of the games I mention above, it's not going to be close enough of a game to say that Wales won by a dodgy try or penalty.

For some reason Wales raise themselves against England - Next year will be different in my view - England players will have had time to settle into their roles and be fully up to speed with playing together as a team

I'll be back on here Sunday to announce the winner.
Odds at the moment from Paddy Power:

Welsh fan posting the word first: 1:3 on
English fan posting first: 4:1 against

Somebody might even try the "friendly card"

I reckon "Rebuilding".

Devalued will be used long before the final whistle.

Mitey, ok mate, shall I put you down for -10 minutes ?

Go for it. Although I wouldn't be surprised to hear it used at half time by a pundit.

What actually encapulates a devalued win?

It is easy Billy, a poor excuse.

eirebilly wrote:What actually encapulates a devalued win?

Devalued win: A overbearing description bequeathed to the victors of some sporting encounters, usually when one incident is concluded by fans of the bested team as the sole reason for the loss whilst conveniently ignoring all decisions that went in their favour during the course of the contest. Example incidents of 'overbearing' are entities with an reactionary emotional construct such as 'using the wrong ball at the lineout' or assuming intent is a parameter of a tip-tackle within the IRB rulebook .. etc

No no iso!, that's the "moral victory" in defeat.

The "devalued win" is when you claim that the tournament game is a de-facto "friendly" on the basis that some external factor rendered it's outcome irrelevant, such as "rebuilding for the RWC in 4 years" or "building depth by giving game time to the reserves".

Examples: Last years 6N, last years 3N.

The caveat of the "devalued win" as you describe is that it only applies if your team 'under-performed'.

I sincerely recommend that an IRB rule book is released for fan-banter. That way instead of going over the same ground year-on-year, we can just quote document section references instead.

For example:


Me: 2.23.23.4
You: 5.24.54.1
Me:2.23.23.4.14
You: 5.24.55.2
Me:
You: 5.24.55.2.13
Me:
You:

iso wrote:The caveat of the "devalued win" as you describe is that it only applies if your team 'under-performed'.

No, it can be applied any time your team loses. Even if you have to think really hard about what might have devalued the tournament.

I think the Welsh fans have earned the right to define what it means. Their team has historically won more caps than anyone else at this.

I know that this is a bit of a wind up thread but i will answer it seriously. I dont see any win as being a 'Devalued' win. A win is a win as they say

In the archives of the old 606, I wonder who first came up with the De-valued win/6 Nations theory? I bet it was that old mentalist mikeyphil....

I'd just like to get in early: It will be a devalued win today for Wales because we haven't got a proper ref.

Phew. Can watch the game relaxed now.

Cowshot wrote:I'd just like to get in early: It will be a devalued win today for Wales because we haven't got a proper ref.

Phew. Can watch the game relaxed now.

That is a little too early mate, he might still pull a hamstring and not get on the field of play.

biltongbek wrote:

Cowshot wrote:I'd just like to get in early: It will be a devalued win today for Wales because we haven't got a proper ref.

Phew. Can watch the game relaxed now.

That is a little too early mate, he might still pull a hamstring and not get on the field of play.

True, but it gives me a breathing space. How about wrong coloured sky? It's forecast to be blue, not a wholesome natural grey.

Cowshot wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

Cowshot wrote:I'd just like to get in early: It will be a devalued win today for Wales because we haven't got a proper ref.

Phew. Can watch the game relaxed now.

That is a little too early mate, he might still pull a hamstring and not get on the field of play.

True, but it gives me a breathing space. How about wrong coloured sky? It's forecast to be blue, not a wholesome natural grey.

By virtue of you thinking a grey sky is wholesome, I will allow you to use any excuse you want, and I will defend it with every fibre of my being.

A blue sky! The Welsh players will be so in awe of this phenomenon that they wont be able to concentrate on the game, and what about the brightness, they're just not used to it. This must be some RFU trick.

miteyironpaw wrote:I reckon "Rebuilding".

Devalued will be used long before the final whistle.

but england are a team in the rebuilding phase so your very likely to hear it!

The Sun is beaming down in Sunny Wales



England have been 're building ' since 2003

The Welsh GrandslAM of 2008 was devalued on the old 606, can't remember why

Munkian, that would be because Wales won.

Ah , that's ok , aslong as its a valid reason

Wales will win anyway, if they score more points they win, if they don't they'll still have that moral victory for playing all the rugby.

Got to love nervous fans

If Wales loose...the refs will be seen to be continuing their overt Anti-Welsh campaign by penalising them off the field

If Wales win... the refs will be seen to be continuing their overt Pro-Welsh campaign by penalising the opposition off the field.

You just can't separate a good Welsh side from a bad ref decision!

..... Class Fly

England can't beat Wales, we can only score more points.

HERSH must be starting to brick it now

Jonathan Davis is brilliant. He has appointed himself as England's head of motivational speeches. He's very good... the more he speaks the more England 'want it'. He puts Gatling Gob in the shade.

munkian wrote:The Sun is beaming down in Sunny Wales



England have been 're building ' since 2003

The Welsh GrandslAM of 2008 was devalued on the old 606, can't remember why

2008 was a devalued grand slam because, apparently, every team in the 6N apart from Wales was rebuilding after the WC.

Even though Wales had a completely new coaching set up and a number of key players retiring somehow we were not rebuilding....

gregortree wrote:Jonathan Davis is brilliant. He has appointed himself as England's head of motivational speeches. He's very good... the more he speaks the more England 'want it'. He puts Gatling Gob in the shade.

His words were ''We COULD go to Twickenham and smash them PHYSICALLY''. Got to love the English media.

Well Wales did win today, and i do not believe it was a devalued win at all.

Made to work very hard. I think both sides will be happy enough.

Clearly devalued. englands game was based entirely around Hodgson gettuing a charge down try, his injury cost them 7 points and a draw.

First 6N after a RWC is always devalued, 2008, 2012, same same. Any sensible team with aspirations for the next RWC will be rebuilding.

Everyone knows 6Ns are just about building for WCs. There's not a WC for 4 years so this one means nothing.

Bye bye RF!

bye bye john inverdale fan club massive

Referring to the OP, it looks like Peter Seabiscuit wins it, sailing in at 22:01, a good 6 hours after the whistle.

gregortree wrote:Referring to the OP, it looks like Peter Seabiscuit wins it, sailing in at 22:01, a good 6 hours after the whistle.

6 hours??? That's very slow indeed considering the dramatic ending. Bad show I say by the disgruntled fans...letting down the very art of disgruntleness.

Well after a game where Wales were awarded a penalty for a 30 meter knock-on.

A game where the game ended whilst under advantage to England.

A game where the TMO failed to spot a clear grounding of the ball and award a try.

A game where an assistant referee awarded a lineout to England when the ball had been deliberately thrown into touch by Wales, rather than a yellow card, penalty and probably penalty try.

A game where Wales committed three professional fouls in 40 seconds from three consecutive phases of play as they knew England needed 7 to win and yet avoided another yellow card.

A game where England unearthed a replacement for JW after a decade of searching.

...I guess there were better points to make at full time than just the devalued nature of the overall tournament this year due to rebuilding for 2015.

Top marks to PSW for finding a few minutes to mention it.

Rucking Flanker, I hear you, but I just hope Jonathan keeps on talking next time we meet. He does a great changing room talk for England before each Wales game.