Wales won by the way

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On train back to Wales, reading Sunday papers...

You'd sware England won and farrell is the next Carter! SJ in the times has marked warburton lower than robshaw? SM was man of the match for goodness sake!

Luckily the pages have the score in the corner othwise I would have thought yesterday was all a dream...

I actually think it might have been touched down. Great cover to get there and put it in such doubt though. England certainly raised their game for the big boys and will definitely put the fear up Ireland and France and I'd back them to win both of those games actually.

thebluesmancometh wrote:Most of those yards were falling over the gain line

How can the majority of 60m be from falling over the gain line, were they playing on Cooper's Hill?

This falling over technique sounds useful, it enabled him to make nearly as many metres as Williams, Davies & Roberts combined.

just giving this post a nudge to the top - just a reminder

For some reason unknown to man my old man bought The Sun yesterday

The whole article was basically about how brave England nearly beat that nasty evil Welsh team and how Owen Farell is now the greatest sportsman in the world ever

it's ok, some England fans just can't believe they lost or give credit to the opposition.

Were/are England really so bad that they chuffed they lost at home to Wales by only seven points?

Blimy so you guys both accidently read a couple of dodgy tabloid rags and are now really mad at the whole nation of england as result.....jeez just enjoy the win guys...stop finding excuses to hate....does you no credit....

Let's break this down into aprts, shall we?

Steffan wrote:For some reason unknown to man my old man bought The Sun yesterday

You state this openly? You do realise this does no credit to your forebear, nor you as his offspring.

Steffan wrote:
The whole article was basically about how brave England nearly beat that nasty evil Welsh team

Well, those noble English hearts did play those nasty Welsh fairly close. And those Welsh did cheat because they were all pretty big, I must admit.

Steffan wrote:and how Owen Farell is now the greatest sportsman in the world ever

The Sun, blah. Spit. Totally inaccurate reporting, as usual. We all know Jonny Wilkinson is the greatest sportsman, ever.
Nay that, the greatest man ever. Socrates, DiVinci and Julius Caeser, are numbers 2, 3 and 4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO687AiGIvU

I have to ask Welsh fans...what's the general feeling about Gatland as a coach now. On these boards last year he was the subject of some very tough talk.

He had taken the Welsh to some very close but ordinary results (Fiji 10-10 stands out) around that time but I always had the feeling the basis of a good team was on the horizon- they juet kept going side to side a lot at the time.

How much of the results of the last year can be credited to Gatland in terms of selection, coaching, motivation and results. How much is luck, fortune of so many players coming through?

I ask this because over the last few months Wales have stood out in terms of 'consistency' in performance, the holy grail of any sport, even when considering their world cup losses, and this will not go unnoticed by the powers that be down here when and if Gatland decides to move on.

In short, where's he at?

.......they are too busy looking for stuff to get outraged about at the moment...

That is a very very good question...

Welsh fans are way too emotional, regarding the team, players, coaching staff and opposition. They are either on top of the world or down in the dumps, and despite the best efforts from myself I am probably as bad as anyone!

It's quite difficult being a fan not knowing whats going on and what they are doing in the camp, so when results such as the Fiji game come along they are hard to swallow.

I could easily sit here and tell you I never worried, he was always building toward something, and just needed to polish the gameplan, but I won't because I was not like that. I worried he was heading us into a dark hole at some points, feilding a 2nd team against Italy was very arrogant, but I just focus on the facts...

He has instilled a discipline to the team, and has gone a way to giving the younger players an ethos to buy into, then made it spread throughout the squad, who now have this mindset of steel.

He also employed Edwards, who in my opinion has been an absolute blessing, he's got the squad hungry to defend, convinced them defence can be as much fun, and can be as potent weapon as attack.

They have been good but make no mistake, Edwards wants the England job and Gatland wants the NZ job, and the way they are going they will get them, I just hope the standard of top welsh coaches is to a level where they can not just take this side and keep going but add to it again.

There are no coaches in Wales that I know of who I would class as capable of the Wales job to that level

Me neither, but Gats and Edwards will be a while yet so there is time!

Gatland had the guts to choose youngsters where as Martin Johnson didn't

There's always an element of luck - and players being on form at the right time.

I was one who questioned him, becuase of repeated odd selections - but it seems to be working now and he always said about building up to the world cup.

He seems to have instilled a sense of loyalty i.e. don't fear being dropped if you have an off game e.g. Phillips. they repaid him in the world cup.

Gatland has admitted that he got things wrong with selections against Fiji and Italy - fans had a right to have concerns. Gatts has learned and everyone is now fully behind him. He's not afraid to experiment and he does have a decent track record.

Back on message:today's Torygraph was like a local paper.The match report barely mentioned Wales and viewed the match purely from an English perspective.Do not normally by it but it used to be a good Rugby paper.
Shant bother again.Probably get more balance from RFU News!!!!!

Taffineastbourne wrote:Back on message:today's Torygraph was like a local paper.The match report barely mentioned Wales and viewed the match purely from an English perspective.Do not normally by it but it used to be a good Rugby paper.
Shant bother again.Probably get more balance from RFU News!!!!!

Paul Akford and Mike Clearly are the culprits for allot of the drivel wrote on there and the comments from their posters are laughable. England played very well, they defended superbly and had a lot more threat going forward with Tuilagi back in the side. However, credit has to go to Wales, they too defended well, performed well at the set-piece with special mention to Ken Owens and at scrum time looked to have had the edge on England. The TMO was inconclusive and you couldn't say at that very point that it was a try. The credit has to go to Leigh 1/2p for making a run from the breakdown to the other end of the pitch to make the initial tackle and then Davies to superbly put Strettle on his back. Brian Moore wrote in the week how Wales had to live up to the hype. His next article was how England's replacements cost them the game. In some respect I agree that Young's was awful but Dickson was injured. Lawes was supposedly meant to come and change the game, but a piece of brilliance from Scott Williams robbed the ball from him to score a wonderful try. There, the credit has to go to Williams for making the turnover, the kick and the gather to score the winning try, not Lawes losing the ball.

I think the main point he got right was Lawes changing the game

We should expect better from a British press.You'd have thought England were playing the Nazis from the lack of perspective/neutrality on display.
The Press is a major cause of the rivalry at 6N's time as it is majorly slanted and rightly engenders angst."Ra-Ra,England doesnt do it for me.I would not expect the whole of Britain to put up with Western Mail garbage.Why should we have to endure pro-England guff??
Whatever happened to balance and impartiality as demonstrated by Bill McLaren for the BBC?
Each country ends up "shouting" their corner to counter-balance the inequity that they experience.Scrum V,the Irish coverage and S4C are so biased that they are as comedic as the "British" coverage.
Fair play is all that I ask for!

Taffineastbourne wrote:We should expect better from a British press.You'd have thought England were playing the Nazis from the lack of perspective/neutrality on display.
The Press is a major cause of the rivalry at 6N's time as it is majorly slanted and rightly engenders angst."Ra-Ra,England doesnt do it for me.I would not expect the whole of Britain to put up with Western Mail garbage.Why should we have to endure pro-England guff??
Whatever happened to balance and impartiality as demonstrated by Bill McLaren for the BBC?
Each country ends up "shouting" their corner to counter-balance the inequity that they experience.Scrum V,the Irish coverage and S4C are so biased that they are as comedic as the "British" coverage.
Fair play is all that I ask for!

to be fair scrumv normally have a guest pundit from the opposition e.g. Dick Best last year? It's gone too magazine like for me.

I wonder why there wasn't one for the england game?

Ashton just on radio saying that SL should keep the job full time

Funny old world.... Scotland lose and "everyone" calls for robinsons head.

Tycroesosprey

I came on here to say well done Wales and you aim a " I told you so" at me. You're all class.

What i took issue with what seems like an eternity ago now was not that your comment to effect that you thought your scrum might edge ours. What i took exception to was you calling our scrum and front row "ordinary".

I still take exception to that. Nothing that i saw on the weekend changes my view one iota. The Wales front row are exceptional. Well done again on a hard fought but ultimately deserved win.

slartibartfast wrote:Ashton just on radio saying that SL should keep the job full time

Funny old world.... Scotland lose and "everyone" calls for robinsons head.

Yeah, I started a thread for it slarti.

slartibartfast wrote:Funny though, I didn't want Walsh to ref this game, turned out alright in the end.

Happy days

Same here. Except the last bit should read " turned out miserable in the end. Miserable days."

Hope I never see the incompetent again.

"We should expect better from a British press.You'd have thought England were playing the Nazis from the lack of perspective/neutrality on display."

Nazis, Welsh. Is there a difference in the way they are perceived?

Well we don't try to wipe out the Jews. However, National Socialism was a good concept, just executed wrongly by the Nazi party.

englandglory4ever wrote:"We should expect better from a British press.You'd have thought England were playing the Nazis from the lack of perspective/neutrality on display."

Nazis, Welsh. Is there a difference in the way they are perceived?

Well, they were both very successful in the distant past, and the press get very excited when there's a chance of them coming back...

:Hump:

Who cares what they think? Let the delusion continue i say because that will always hold them back.
Farrell was alright but two chip and chases and the English press call him creative and "running flyhalf"
Enjoy your moment Farrell because its your first International season and the lap tops are coming to get you and just like Christopher Ashton you will be sussed out and rendered obsolete.

WALES WALES WALES WALES WALES WALES WALES WALES

viewtothegym wrote:Who cares what they think? Let the delusion continue i say because that will always hold them back.
Farrell was alright but two chip and chases and the English press call him creative and "running flyhalf"
Enjoy your moment Farrell because its your first International season and the lap tops are coming to get you and just like Christopher Ashton you will be sussed out and rendered obsolete.

WALES WALES WALES WALES WALES WALES WALES WALES

Wow. You.......don't get out much do you?
Nice to see passion and fervour, bit heavy on the vitriol, but I don't doubt you're honest about how you feel!

Just got back from work and off to the gym later, does that count as getting out much?
Just been on holiday as well does that count?

viewtothegym wrote:Just got back from work and off to the gym later, does that count as getting out much?
Just been on holiday as well does that count?

Well done you! It all counts.

There is a lot of banter[I hope that`s what it is] about who is best between
England and Wales.The record says head to head there is only win plus between
them,and ditto tournament stats are similar.
This particular England side is very inexperienced,it is fair to say the unawarded
try made a difference.Wales deserve credit for not conceding a score during the
14 man period.
A Grand Slam is possible for Wales,a 6Ns title still possible for England,France must meet there hardest matches now.
Ireland as always are the unknown quantity,always capable of spoiling the best laid plans.
Currently Wales sit proudly in IRB postion number 5 behind France and SA,Nz and Aus still being1and 2 respectively.
England at the half way point,with such an inexperienced side Lancaster must be pretty happy.More creativity in mid field would be nice but perhaps solid defence
matters more for England with two hard matches to come.

I don't understand how you can claim the tourny is still up for grabs for England, if they win another I will be pleasantly surprised, fact is they managed to scrape past the 2 weakest sides, then were scraped past at home against the first team of any ability they came across.

Same with France, they havn't had anyone to beat yet!!!

Lets wait till round 4 at least when the top teams have had to play each other, then discuss GS's and tourny wins...

PS the records are in Englands favour because of the 5 tournaments and 3 welsh GS's they refuse to acknowledge!

Kiss of death from Ashton on bbc site

CIPS is Back!

Heard Cips had a bad car accident yesterday?

thebluesmancometh wrote:I don't understand how you can claim the tourny is still up for grabs for England, if they win another I will be pleasantly surprised, fact is they managed to scrape past the 2 weakest sides, then were scraped past at home against the first team of any ability they came across.

Same with France, they havn't had anyone to beat yet!!!

Lets wait till round 4 at least when the top teams have had to play each other, then discuss GS's and tourny wins...

PS the records are in Englands favour because of the 5 tournaments and 3 welsh GS's they refuse to acknowledge!

Technically France werent part of the HOme championship at the time so they have a point but since all the other nations are happy to recognise the success of the 1900-1911 side it does smack of sour grapes. However for some reason, the sourer the grape the sweeter the win. When they start getting depressed and give up on beating us they might start to improve, so long may the sour grapes continue.

England did have a moral victory thou,
they found a new drop goal and goal kicking king! hip hip hoorah

They are so happy with him its unreal, Farrell ran 14 meters i tell you 14!! with ball in hand,he tore Wales a new one! almost reminiscent of Dan Carter on the 2005 Lions tour.

viewtothegym wrote:England did have a moral victory thou,
they found a new drop goal and goal kicking king! hip hip hoorah

They are so happy with him its unreal, Farrell ran 14 meters i tell you 14!! with ball in hand,he tore Wales a new one! almost reminiscent of Dan Carter on the 2005 Lions tour.

Farrel ran 14 metres with ball in hand, that is a dam sight more than Priestland ran.

oh, i forgot he did run off the pitch for 10 minutes didn't he?

priestland ran 13 metres in his 70 mins but dont let reality get in the way of your whining maj

TycroesOsprey wrote:priestland ran 13 metres in his 70 mins but dont let reality get in the way of your whining maj

see, there's small margins between having a good game - 14 meters - and a bad game - 13 meters

1 meter between the next Lions 10 and a has been.... ahem.

Madge poor poor madge, you just haven't learned yet have you?

I wouldn't try and use any wind up unless i knew i had my facts covered and all possible come backs.

So here it is as already been covered--------

Priestland ran 13 meters in the 70mins of game time he had 1 less than Owen the messiah.

Preistland his manager his coaches his team mates his national media the Welsh supporting public and even personal fans of his all stated he had a dreadful game and offered little attacking threat,

Owen the messiah runs 14 meters with ball in hand kicks away possession twice on so called "chip and chases" and the English media the English his Daddy and his coach think he is the next Dan Carter

So the moto of the story is a Welsh team playing badly and at around 60% of ability possible, can still see off an English teams playing at around 100% in twickers

But you still find some moral victory!

Iv heard Owen Farell may possibly get an MBE this year along with Sports Personality of the Year

Iv also heard the gameplan for the Lions tour next year is......GIVE IT TO OWEN

Name of the team may be even changed to 'Farrells Lions' and the sponser of the shirt will be Owens new brand of clothing company called 'Farrell Fashion'

I have to say view, its good to see you back. I missed your battles with HERSH

I have been wanting to bring some comedy relief to this thread for a while now, but kept on resisting.

So here goes.

Statement - Wales won by the way.

Possible responses.

1. No, are you serious?
2. when?
3. how?
4. Ok, OK, how did they cheat this time?
5. Who was the referee?
6. Thank goodness, now there should be peace on the forum for a while.
7. What does the statistics say?
8. Oh boy, now we'll never hear the end of it.
9. Wonder when the next thread of " how many tests will wales win against OZ" come up.
10. Oh, sorry been done already?

I have more but I don't want the Welsh fans to get the impression I have been thinking about this for a while.


On a more serious note though, well done Wales, you are playing very well and certainly have the best back line in the 6 nations, unfortunately I don't have any stats available to justify my statement, but take in on good faith I know what I am talking about.

It's good to be back, been away and been really busy with work so i had to avoid v2,
HERSH seems to be avoiding me! wonder why

No comedy on this thread, just facts

slartibartfast wrote:No comedy on this thread, just facts

So I take it you either don't like my particular sense of humour


or


The subject of my humour


or


you don't possess of a sense of humour



or



You are simply not in the mood and have a headache



or




All of the above.