Welsh Gloating Thread

[miteyironpaw]

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I propose that Wales fully deserve some space to have a good hard gloat and generally rub some of our noses in it. Some England fans made preposterous claims that England would dish out a 33 point hiding to Wales at HQ, and those people must feel very silly about that claim now.

Wales have lead-frogged over England in the IRB rankings, closed the all-time head to head stats to just a single game, won at triple crown at Twickenham for the first time ever and won at Twickenham for the first time since 1286. After years of oppression, subjugation and false dawns if this achievement doesn't deserve a bit of consequence free blow out then I don't know what does.

In some other threads the Welsh fans are being accused of being poor winners but I think this forum should pause for a small unrestrained period of good hard Welsh gloating.

So go on knock yourselves out here and tell us all how it feels...

[RubyGuby]

Gregor - there are many english fans being equally as critical in their appraisal - if you find comfort in Kias post then I suggest you enjoy it. Good luck in the remaining games, it was a brave performance and unrecogniseable from the first 2 but then again, it needed to be. No trys and a defeat but a better performance I'm not arguing with that:thumbsup:

[Guest]

Come on guys lets be fair to England they are only two more Kiwis and another big South African away from being a good team.

Great to see the out reach program to the far flung corners of the Empire is paying dividends for English rugby,with out Barrit, Manu ,Botha Stevens,Hartley, Corbs England would have been the same old boring England producing a score divisible by 3!
Oh wait

[majesticimperialman]

Come on guys lets be fair to England they are only two more Kiwis and another big South African away from being a good team.

Great to see the out reach program to the far flung corners of the Empire is paying dividends for English rugby,with out Barrit, Manu ,Botha Stevens,Hartley, Corbs England would have been the same old boring England producing a score divisible by 3!
Oh wait

What happend to the big spanking that Wales was going to England then viewtothegym?

Every time i read your post, you sound just like Moffats Ghost. Is that your true identity?

[Guest]

Nope im not moffat but i have a similar strain of hatred as him, i was View to infinity on the old 606 and celtic saxon slayer before that.

Madge you hang onto that moral victory you have of the Welsh not putting a cricket score on you! it must feel amazing


WALES WALES WALES WALES WALES WALES WALES

[dogtooth]

i'm not sure we need a space to gloat. wales have spent so l;ong being good losers i think we will be good winners.

we havent had much to gloat over but when we have had( 05, 08 and RWC semi finalists) we generally dont but look to ourselves and how to build on our success in future games. (something we havent always done very well if at all)

gloating. no thanks

[slartibartfast]

I wasn't gloating but as time goes on and I hear how great England were I start to grin

[Guest]

Well if the Welsh were gloating we would be talking about joining the Tri Nations and ditching the uncompetitive six nations!
two Grand slams and three triple crowns in the last few years woudl surley mean we are amazing?

England won one grand slam and thought the same.

[dogtooth]

if the Welsh were gloating we would be talking about joining the Tri Nations and ditching the uncompetitive six nations!

now that is how to wum.

[kiakahaaotearoa]

There´s not much comfort to take from losing I´m afraid. It hurts. My post was merely to point out that sometimes the elation you get from winning could so easily have been so different: frustration at losing. Sometimes you need a bit of luck to win. That´s not devaluing the win. If anything it makes victory all the sweeter.

I don't have a problem with Welsh fans giving a little banter after losing to England in recent years. I certainly got a lot of satisfaction over our 10 streak run over Australia. But then they have the 3N trophy in their cabinet and there will never be another one. I well remember Scotland won the last ever 5N. I was living in Paris and went to the game to see them beat France. Pity England´s loss to Wales was not on the same day but maybe it was the best for my liver.

It´s tight at the top of the 6N ladder and anything can happen. One of my first instincts after our World Cup win last year was to write an article entitled choke on that. But sometimes you need to step back and take a deep breath and just take in the victory.

[Morgannwg]

They say Wales winning a triple crown in their first three matches and at Twickenham is a new record. Wales also still hold the defensive record with only conceding two tries in a tournament.

Wales and record books must be a good combo.

[Morgannwg]

Come on guys lets be fair to England they are only two more Kiwis and another big South African away from being a good team.

England expects...but didn't expect you to hit them that hard... Ouch!

[Breadvan]

Come on guys lets be fair to England they are only two more Kiwis and another big South African away from being a good team.

Great to see the out reach program to the far flung corners of the Empire is paying dividends for English rugby,with out Barrit, Manu ,Botha Stevens,Hartley, Corbs England would have been the same old boring England producing a score divisible by 3!
Oh wait

Grannygate anyone?

[Pot Hale]

Wales may have lucked their way to wins over Ireland and England - and they were very lucky - but the bigger gloat should be that they have probably ended England's chances of getting into the top four for RWC seedings at end of year.

Oddly, a couple of newspaper reports still wanted to look for a few nimbostratus amongst the silvery linings. The ongoing exodus of Welsh players in search of Brie and a good time has just been joined by Huw Bennett. He announced yesterday that he will leave the Ospreys at season end and head for Lyon. Sound the alarums, the Red Dragon migration is well and truly under way apparently.

Apparently Gatland is also alarumed - because while IRB regs guarantee player release during international windows, Wales have taken to playing Tests outside those periods and for such matches they do not necessarily have access to personnel based in France – or, indeed, anywhere else,according to one report.

"I don't know what the answer is," the coach said recently. "It's difficult to compete with the money being offered overseas, given the financial pressures on our regional sides. My stance has always been that we would love the players to stay here and that we will do everything we can to try to keep them. But they have a very short career at this level."

I, for one, am not buying this line at all from Gatland. Methinks the leather-faced Kiwi is more than happy for his test squad players to experience the wiles, grunt and flair of the French league, compared to the second-class scramblings in the Pro 12 quasi league. All their key games are played within the allotted windows. He gets his players when he needs them - unless he plans to do a long term holiday in Spala as preparation for the June tests in Australia.

He's onto a good thing.

The future's bright, the future's in France.

Keep on gloating, Walesians....

[Guest]

Good bye Huw good bye Hook and good by Byrne, Wales have proven they don't need you to win!
The only one im sorry to see leave is Gethin Jenkins but with such fantastic academics in the regions as proven already there are plenty of talented young lads dying to play for Wales.

We had the same when Shane retired the English media painted a dark picture for Welsh rugby.

Welsh rugby is only going to get stronger sorry England unlike your clubs just like the current "English" champions fielding 70% non English players on match days,
The regions are developing for the future

The big dark cloud lies over English rugby to be fair players like Ben Youngs and Toby Flood being top options you know your staring into the abyss!

Lets not forget the mercurial charge down Charlie

[Glas a du]

charge down Charlie

that's quite witty.

[iso]

There's no room for objectivity here Gregor, this is a space for the Welsh to have a well earned and long overdue shout about their victory over England.

Yes, well, since the last time the two sides met that is.

[slartibartfast]

There's no room for objectivity here Gregor, this is a space for the Welsh to have a well earned and long overdue shout about their victory over England.

Yes, well, since the last time the two sides met that is.

Wales won

[iso]

Yes that was my point.

[slartibartfast]

Yes that was my point.

I know, I realised after I'd posted , sorry

[kiakahaaotearoa]

I´m confused.

[iso]

I propose that Wales fully deserve some space to have a good hard gloat and generally rub some of our noses in it. Some England fans made preposterous claims that England would dish out a 33 point hiding to Wales at HQ, and those people must feel very silly about that claim now.

Wales have lead-frogged over England in the IRB rankings, closed the all-time head to head stats to just a single game, won at triple crown at Twickenham for the first time ever and won at Twickenham for the first time since 1286. After years of oppression, subjugation and false dawns if this achievement doesn't deserve a bit of consequence free blow out then I don't know what does.

In some other threads the Welsh fans are being accused of being poor winners but I think this forum should pause for a small unrestrained period of good hard Welsh gloating.

So go on knock yourselves out here and tell us all how it feels...

Apologies to all of those with a brain cell for the quick 'analysis' to follow, I don't actually believe a word of it. It is the sort of offal that the Sunday Times Columnists used to squeeze out of their London-centric sausage machine for the entirety of the 1990's.

My honest opinion: such small margins should provide no ammunition for the gloater. The game itself was a treat.

But mitey, as you so passionately asked for a gloat, and I enjoy the parody of utterly bad journalism it seems we have an opportunity to co-exist.

"Report by: Simon ApBarnes

Onwards and of course Upwards.

The predictable fallout has now begun to settle on the Six Nations action from the ever-historically named 'Fortress Twickenham'.

As expected the battle on the pitch was only matched by the battles of the boards and forums of the digital rugby culture. Battles where actual victory was pitted against forgivable envy and the logical one-upmanship of natural order was pitted against the characteristic chippy-ness of the creative and opinionated loser.

This creativity of opinion was forged so desperately that some cyberspace dwellers east of Britain's cultural 'Eden' firmly believed in all naivety that they could still somehow influence the result.

Those so un-accepting of the simple fact that in hindsight an underperforming Wales won in ‘HQ’ without the necessity and gratuity for aplomb against an England team that were quite frankly (and for one day only) playing a brand of running rugby above and beyond anything they will achieve in the near future, if at all.

Much fat has been chewed over David (nee Dave) Strettle's non-try, but this was invariably 'seen and raised' by the lack of a Robshaw yellow card for a dangerours and cynical attempt to injure the Welsh Admiral of the Fleet Warburton.

Claims of skulduggery at George North's defensive and well calculated 'touch-finder' was also bettered by simply pointing out the existence of the cynical off-the-floor pass which lead to the Rhys Priestland yellow card. Thus, a lucky yellow that should see England providing thankful offerings to the mid-table rugby gods for the remainder of the tournament when points differences will of course be needed to raise their mundane stock.

Deserved adulation has been bequeathed to those plucky losers who bravely played out-of-their-skins, against the fitter, smarter and better Welsh visitors.

As it transpired Wales only needed first gear for ten minutes. The remainder of the 'contest' saw them decide to hone their skills in neutral. Yet another dimension to the crimson leviathian that is redefining the geometry of rugby to tesseractian complexities. The purpose? well, what better training opportunity outside the cryogenic chambers of Gdansk could they ask for than the freezing reception of a London crowd crowing, top-hatted and in unison for the demise of the classy, beguiling, original Britons.

This was a Wales team that did not feel the urgency to show their hand, albeit for one instance where the responsibility for closure was deemed best suited to a young substitute in need of a minor boost. The simple act of running roughshod over Twickenham turf was executed as expected by a young Scott Williams with little fuss and no error. A move that must have felt no different to darting through the turgid waxworks of Madame Tusseauds in an attempt to raid the giftshop for that cheap and memorable London trinket. However expertly executed, the 'assassin's try' will provide only limited beatification in terms of atonement when weighed against a previous decision by the youngster which saw him fail to euthanise the frail whimpering underdog.

Diolch yn fawr.

Summary:
A single match, got the double-U, and the triple crown."

...


Regards and cringe worthy apologies,

Iso

[Knowsit17]

Teehee, what an awful week for England this has been

[Guest]

Ahhhh!!!! yawn -stretch - Ahhh! good to be Wales fan right now.
#wining

[Morgannwg]

View, I like that hashtag. I think I might use it from now on.

#winning

lol.

[Guest]

sorry it was late when i was typing that

[miteyironpaw]

If this wasn't the Welsh Gloating Thread, I'd call the earlier article a "load of toss" frankly.

"The off-the-floor pass?" huh? What year is it? The tackled player is allowed to play the ball. Secondly Priestland was off-side first, so the penalty and yellow card stands.

Little point in reading anything else that this clearly uneducated person has to say, other than to point out (again if this wasn't the gloating thread) that Warburton was the architect of his own potential injury by having organised illegal lifting bound from below the allowable bind limits front and back (outrageous - an English penalty was called for).

Since this is, however the Welsh Gloating Thread, I'll let it all pass and just say well done and congratulations on your victory again. However it was achieved will surely not cheapen the victory, so please continue to enjoy.

[slartibartfast]

If this wasn't the Welsh Gloating Thread, I'd call the earlier article a "load of toss" frankly.

"The off-the-floor pass?" huh? What year is it? The tackled player is allowed to play the ball. Secondly Priestland was off-side first, so the penalty and yellow card stands.

Little point in reading anything else that this clearly uneducated person has to say, other than to point out (again if this wasn't the gloating thread) that Warburton was the architect of his own potential injury by having organised illegal lifting bound from below the allowable bind limits front and back (outrageous - an English penalty was called for).

Since this is, however the Welsh Gloating Thread, I'll let it all pass and just say well done and congratulations on your victory again. However it was achieved will surely not cheapen the victory, so please continue to enjoy.

yes, but you can't wave it around for five minutes then throw it in the scrum halves face... that's just cr4p

[Guest]

dry your eyes old fellow at least you still get to call us a Principality!

Oh dear sorry kind makes the loss a bit worse i suppose! kind of like getting beat by your little brother

Four Welsh regions drummed up more talent than the whole of the AVIVA could

[miteyironpaw]

If this wasn't the Welsh Gloating Thread, I'd call the earlier article a "load of toss" frankly.

"The off-the-floor pass?" huh? What year is it? The tackled player is allowed to play the ball. Secondly Priestland was off-side first, so the penalty and yellow card stands.

Little point in reading anything else that this clearly uneducated person has to say, other than to point out (again if this wasn't the gloating thread) that Warburton was the architect of his own potential injury by having organised illegal lifting bound from below the allowable bind limits front and back (outrageous - an English penalty was called for).

Since this is, however the Welsh Gloating Thread, I'll let it all pass and just say well done and congratulations on your victory again. However it was achieved will surely not cheapen the victory, so please continue to enjoy.

yes, but you can't wave it around for five minutes then throw it in the scrum halves face... that's just cr4p

5 minutes? Please. You just discredit any argument you might have further when you invent untruths.

[slartibartfast]

If this wasn't the Welsh Gloating Thread, I'd call the earlier article a "load of toss" frankly.

"The off-the-floor pass?" huh? What year is it? The tackled player is allowed to play the ball. Secondly Priestland was off-side first, so the penalty and yellow card stands.

Little point in reading anything else that this clearly uneducated person has to say, other than to point out (again if this wasn't the gloating thread) that Warburton was the architect of his own potential injury by having organised illegal lifting bound from below the allowable bind limits front and back (outrageous - an English penalty was called for).

Since this is, however the Welsh Gloating Thread, I'll let it all pass and just say well done and congratulations on your victory again. However it was achieved will surely not cheapen the victory, so please continue to enjoy.

yes, but you can't wave it around for five minutes then throw it in the scrum halves face... that's just cr4p

5 minutes? Please. You just discredit any argument you might have further when you invent untruths.

ok, not five minutes, but you agree it was cr4p?

[miteyironpaw]

Meh, he was offside. It was clear. Hard to argue it away. I though hairyman was lucky to not see yellow too for his three consecutive professional fouls in the latter portion of the game. But look, what's done is done, those were the calls and Wales won. I'm not sure why you're still disecting poor refereeing calls at this stage. Just enjoy the win and let it lie.

[slartibartfast]

Meh, he was offside. It was clear. Hard to argue it away. I though hairyman was lucky to not see yellow too for his three consecutive professional fouls in the latter portion of the game. But look, what's done is done, those were the calls and Wales won. I'm not sure why you're still disecting poor refereeing calls at this stage. Just enjoy the win and let it lie.

I didn't say he wasn't offside, I just said the pass from the floor in to Dickson's face was cr4p, if preistland had retreaded a foot he could have nailed Dick son while he was juggling the ball.

Stop thinking everyone's arguing with you for goodness sake.

[miteyironpaw]

Should've would've could've. Priestland was offside. When a team are consistently offside it puts the attackers under pressure (as we saw when Wales spent 80 minutes offside against Ireland) and cuts down their options and messes with their execution and decision making.

I'm not arguing with you, just encouraging you to let go of all the little things that could have led to Welsh demise on this occasion and to relax and enjoy your win instead of talking yourself out of it.

Yes, if RP had been on side, England may well have executed well and scored under the posts. But there were many many opportunities for England to score and they couldn't quite execute clinically.

England have another shot at it in the game Lancaster has clearly been targeting and building for - France.

This 6N has always been all about France for England (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/29/six-nations-2012-stuart-lancaster-england). So we'll take our loss with good grace and the positives that came out of it and keep building.

You guys in Wales as I've said - enjoy.

[slartibartfast]

Should've would've could've. Priestland was offside. When a team are consistently offside it puts the attackers under pressure (as we saw when Wales spent 80 minutes offside against Ireland) and cuts down their options and messes with their execution and decision making.

I'm not arguing with you, just encouraging you to let go of all the little things that could have led to Welsh demise on this occasion and to relax and enjoy your win instead of talking yourself out of it.

Yes, if RP had been on side, England may well have executed well and scored under the posts. But there were many many opportunities for England to score and they couldn't quite execute clinically.

England have another shot at it in the game Lancaster has clearly been targeting and building for - France.

This 6N has always been all about France for England (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/29/six-nations-2012-stuart-lancaster-england). So we'll take our loss with good grace and the positives that came out of it and keep building.

You guys in Wales as I've said - enjoy.

you crack me up

[slartibartfast]

Should've would've could've. Priestland was offside. When a team are consistently offside it puts the attackers under pressure (as we saw when Wales spent 80 minutes offside against Ireland) and cuts down their options and messes with their execution and decision making.

I'm not arguing with you, just encouraging you to let go of all the little things that could have led to Welsh demise on this occasion and to relax and enjoy your win instead of talking yourself out of it.

Yes, if RP had been on side, England may well have executed well and scored under the posts. But there were many many opportunities for England to score and they couldn't quite execute clinically.

England have another shot at it in the game Lancaster has clearly been targeting and building for - France.

This 6N has always been all about France for England (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/29/six-nations-2012-stuart-lancaster-england). So we'll take our loss with good grace and the positives that came out of it and keep building.

You guys in Wales as I've said - enjoy.

you crack me up

ps. he was lying on the floor, I know Wales are good but that's bonkers.

[RubyGuby]

No one has mentioned Englands 3rd penalty before half-time where the winger throws it forward by a mile, Warburton cleans up and we get penalised for going off our feet and sealing off. It's all small margins - Computer sais 12-19 and another TC

[Chunky Norwich]

(as we saw when Wales spent 80 minutes offside against Ireland)

This made me smile.

[dogtooth]

this isnt so much a wales gloating thread as an english sour grapes thread.

didnt someone start one of those?

[RubyGuby]

They did but they ran out of grapes

[dogtooth]

They did but they ran out of grapes

oh dude!!!

[RubyGuby]

I gave'em all a few lemons to suck on when the ran out but they munched those away as well - I think Hersh is supplying them with some left over sausage rolls from his Twickenham hamper at the moment.

[miteyironpaw]

Citizens of the fine country of Wales...now come on, this isn't the Goading England Thread it's the Wales Gloating Thread.

Can you not enjoy your victory without perpetual reference to England? It seems you are more intent on making England feel bad than you are about celebrating your astounding achievement.

Surely you are not this petty minded petualant little brother who wants to goad his brother for a rare besting of him in competition? Your taunts will surely fall on deaf ears. In England, we are well aware of where we are at in our rebuilding cycle, and having taken the positives from the hit out against Wales and swallowed the bitter pill of defeat calmly and silently and with good grace.

We are now focussing on our target challenge for the 6N - taking on World Cup Finalists France.

[dogtooth]

Can you not enjoy your victory without perpetual reference to England?

it was england be beat to win our newest, shinyest,

it was bound to get the occational mention.

dont worry, ghosty, you can soon put the world to rights when you annihilate france.

[dogtooth]

swallowed the bitter pill of defeat calmly and silently and with good grace.

roflmfao

[Luckless Pedestrian]

In England, we are well aware of where we are at in our rebuilding cycle, and having taken the positives from the hit out against Wales and swallowed the bitter pill of defeat calmly and silently and with good grace.

Are you kidding me?

[RubyGuby]

If you were calm, silent and graceful then who ate all those grapes

[miteyironpaw]

If you were calm, silent and graceful then who ate all those grapes

Foxes?

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