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Post by hampo17 Tue 28 Feb 2012, 10:13 am

A few weeks ago we saw Alexander Povetkin get a generous decision win over Marco Huck. This was his first fight without Teddy Atlas, and he didn't look good. He appeared to be exhausted after just five rounds, for a champion that is not good enough. The issues around Atlas where beyond stupid, Atlas and Povetkin had apparently made a gentleman's agreement that when ESPN Fright Night Fights was in season Povetkin would move to the states to train, and during the off season Atlas would come to Russia.

Some will question whether this is because he actually fought a guy who came to fight, or because he overlooked him. I can't say for certain which is the correct answer but I believe it is a little bit of both. Huck came to fight, and was always a big Cruiserweight, but he is crude in what he does, he loads up big hooks and looks very wild when throwing them. Povetkin on the other hand, appeared before Saturday to posses good hand speed and decent power as shown against an ageing Boswell in his previous fight. The big question is how far did Atlas scale back his opponents? Atlas, like any other trainer wanted his fighter too look good, and sometimes to do that you have to fight lesser opponents. The issues I then have with this is the calls for a fight with either Klitschko, Povetkin could fight for an other 20 or 30 years still wouldn't be ready for those fights. He has too many flaws and doesn't have a good enough engine to keep the pressure on for 12 rounds non stop like Chisora did against Vitali.

Upon looking at the record of Povetkin it makes poor reading. In 24 fights he has only two names on his record, an aging and overweight Eddie Chambers, and Ruslan Chagaev for the vacant WBA World Title. While I understand that there aren't many elite level fighters in the Heavyweight division, there are people like Chris Arreola, he only has two defeats on his record one to Vitali Klitschko and one to Tomasz Adamek, and I'd back both of those guys to beat Povetkin. Below is the WBA Top 10;

1. Hasim Rahman
2. Robert Helenius
3. Aleander Ustinov
4. Denis Boytov
5. Luis Oritz
6. David Haye
7. Alexander Dimitrenko
8. Ruslan Chagaev
9. Chris Arreola
10. Jean Marc Mormeck

He must fight one of these guys next, and it has to be someone who is close to their prime. Unless forced to by the WBA he should steer clear of Rahman, he is too old and past his best and would only serve to put another name on his record. But as I said earlier someone like Arreola or Dimitrenko, who strangely seems to win the EBU title and then vacates it so he can win it again, would both be a good challenge for him and certainly a step up in class. Huck was a step in the right direction and I believe he is now concerned about a few aspects of his game, stamina being the main one, and it is because of this I doubt we'll see him with a real challenge anytime soon.

Something I thought of driving to work this morning, and slightly insprired by the thread on the boxing forum.

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Post by Adam D Wed 07 Mar 2012, 10:24 am

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Post by Boxtthis Wed 07 Mar 2012, 10:59 am

Hasim Rahman as the number one contender. You've got to laugh. He wasn't even that good when he was in his prime.....a decade ago.

Oh, and Povetkin: you'd have to put him in the over-hyped nobody category, although I have to ask if there's really that much hype still surrounding him? He's certainly not the 'real deal'. Povetkin, Dimetrenko, Chambers, Helenius, Chisora, Arreola, Adamek could all beat each other, but can't touch the Klitschkos. Haye, I think, is a class above that pack....but is still woefully short of the champions.

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Post by KingMonkey Wed 07 Mar 2012, 11:05 am

I'd love Haye to start fighting these guys, there could be some really good scraps to be had although I'd pick him to beat each of them in turn.

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Post by azania Wed 07 Mar 2012, 11:24 am

I cant believe how bad the HW division actually is.

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Post by Union Cane Wed 07 Mar 2012, 11:43 am

Even Marciano would have half a chance against some of them, eh Az?
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Post by 88Chris05 Wed 07 Mar 2012, 12:15 pm

alma wrote:Is the heavyweight division finally worse than the cruiserweight division?

Steady on, Alma! I know we're all a little peeved at the state of the Heavyweight division these days, but there's no need for that!
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Post by d260005p Wed 07 Mar 2012, 12:29 pm

I can see Seth Mitchell nailing most of those listed fighters to be honest!

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Post by d260005p Wed 07 Mar 2012, 12:29 pm

Plus, where is Holyfield? Shocked

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Post by hampo17 Wed 07 Mar 2012, 12:33 pm

d260005p wrote:Plus, where is Holyfield? Shocked

Not even in the top 15 according to the rankings on the WBA website.

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Post by d260005p Wed 07 Mar 2012, 12:39 pm

But yet still gets title shots. Amazin stuff.

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Post by azania Wed 07 Mar 2012, 1:13 pm

Union Cane wrote:Even Marciano would have half a chance against some of them, eh Az?

Slightly less than that to be honest. Whistle

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Post by oxring Wed 07 Mar 2012, 3:42 pm

To all mods and admins and people who have control over such things. Please, pretty please - could you procure a facepalm smiley - that conveys the depth of feeling which occurs when banging one's head against a brick wall. Just so I have a slightly more pithy response to Az's comments about the Rock.

On another note - someone above described Chambers as "overweight and ageing" - that's not fair. Chambers was a bit tubs when he fought Povetkin - but he most certainly wasn't ageing - in fact, he was arguably in his prime. Povetkin won - but not until after being comprehensively outboxed early on, before someone dropped a fridge onto Fast (slow) Eddie's back.

The win over Byrd was very good - and announced Povetkin as a serious talent - but what has he done since? In his first 10 or so fights he fought some serious opposition - everyone else since has been journeyman level.

Atlas seems to have done SFA for Povetkin's career - other than wasting 2 years of it - and I'm left feeling that had he tried and failed against Wlad the first time - 2 years ago - we'd all have a more positive outlook upon the HW division.

Incidentally - I know that Wlad and Vit are once again, copping some flack for not fighting each other (there's a bitchy piece about the fact that because they won't fight each other we've been forced to watch WWs in Sportscenter magazine in Canada this month) - but to be fair - when Wlad was alone and dominant - before Vit made his comeback - most people STILL weren't enamoured with the division (I'm a self confessed exception - I like watching the HWs - including the Kbros).
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Post by Union Cane Wed 07 Mar 2012, 3:55 pm

Povetkin is a joke 'champion', he struggled like billy-oh against Huck, he was blowing after three rounds, his defence consisted of leaning over so that Huck had no option but to hit him on the back of the head, the fact that this guy is WBA champion is a farce.

Here's a question, what if (god forbid) Wlad suffered an injury and retired immediately. Would the WBA 'Super' belt then become vacant, to be fought over by say Rahman and Arreola? Or would Povetkin fight Rahman and become regular and super champion? (What a joke that would be!). Or would Povetkin get given it and his 'regular' title become vacant?
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Post by Nico the gman Wed 07 Mar 2012, 4:04 pm

I've been saying this long enough this is the worst heavyweight era in the history of boxing.

Even Teddy Atlas walked out on Povetkin said he wont listen to a word and is totally undisciplined,and if someone as tough as Atlas can't teach him no-one can.

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Post by oxring Wed 07 Mar 2012, 4:23 pm

In fairness - I'd ignore everything Atlas said about Povetkin. He was mostly peed about the fact that Pov wanted to train in Rus - and Atlas wouldn't travel.

Sounds like a bad case of sour grapes. Pov didn't look significantly worse against Huck than before in terms of mistakes - its more that Huck was good enough to punish some of Pov's mistakes.

Anyway the worst era? Worst than the worst of the 80s? Or some of Patterson's reign (eg London)? Or worse than postJeffries-preJohnson?

At least our HW champ - Wlad - IS decent.
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Post by manos de piedra Wed 07 Mar 2012, 4:27 pm

Povetkin is a long way off the Klitschkos but one of the better challengers would be my view.

I can understand alot of the criticisms of the heavyweight division but at times it seems its just becoming fashionable to give out about it.

Povetkin v Huck was actually a pretty entertaining fight. Huck was a cruiserweight champion stepping up, harldy a guy with no credentials that didnt belong there. He gave a good account of himself and the fight was hard fought and close. I get the feeling no matter what the outcome in the fight the critics would have complained when I think in reality it was actually an entertaining heavyweight contest.

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Post by Union Cane Wed 07 Mar 2012, 4:32 pm

I agree it was a good fight to watch, manos, but the heavyweight champion of the world should really be dealing with a cruiserweight more effectively than that.
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Post by manos de piedra Wed 07 Mar 2012, 4:36 pm

Hes not the heavyweight champion of the world though.

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Post by Union Cane Wed 07 Mar 2012, 4:45 pm

The WBA think he is.

And Michael Buffer called him "Der Weltmeister"...


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Post by manos de piedra Wed 07 Mar 2012, 4:53 pm

Im aware the WBA consider him their "regular" world champion but the point I am making is he is not considered the heavyweight champion of the world by the overwhelming majority of people. Probably the WBA included given they have Wlad as their "Super" champion.

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Post by Union Cane Wed 07 Mar 2012, 4:59 pm

I fully agree, he is nowhere near world champion level, but that doesn't alter the fact that he has David Haye's old belt, he calls himself the world champion, and as such will demand to be treated as a champion in any negotiations with the K-Bros, thereby scuppering any chance of them ever fighting him.

The WBA have relegated themselves to the level of the WBF / UBO etc with their greed and shamelessness. As have the WBC with their middleweight nonsense.
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Post by ShahenshahG Wed 07 Mar 2012, 5:04 pm

Actually - Klitschkos are probably likely to agree to a 50-50 - they have with other champions. Povetkin seems to want to keep the belt so is going down the "discretion is the better part of valour" route.

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Post by Union Cane Wed 07 Mar 2012, 5:06 pm

50-50 to fight a guy who brings nothing to the table except a belt that Wlad has already got?

I really hope you are right Shah.
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Post by manos de piedra Wed 07 Mar 2012, 5:07 pm

I dont think his belt will count for anything with the Klitschkos. They have the WBA version that matters so I doubt its even a bargaining chip.

At least when Haye had it, it was a seperate championship title that the Klitschkos needed. Now I dont think it would even be on the line if the Povetkin fought them.

Povetkins had a couple of chances to fight Wlad now for multi million dollars. It seemed before that it was actually Atlas blocking the fight because Povetkin wasnt ready. Will be interesting to see how long he is happy to defend his trinket for with Atlas gone and whether he will be tempted to make the jump himself.

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Post by ShahenshahG Wed 07 Mar 2012, 5:12 pm

True - but it will count with the fans who they can probably charge an extra 20 odd euros and with 50000 fans = an extra million - plus a genuine challenger.

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Post by manos de piedra Wed 07 Mar 2012, 5:20 pm

They would be giving up alot more if they agreed to 50/50 though in an overall sense.

I dont see Povetkin getting a better offer than 30%, which was in or around what he was offered last time.

He could quite easily become Wlads mandatory though if he wanted the fight. Im not sure he really wants it though. Especially now the WBA have handed him this joke of a title.


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Post by azania Wed 07 Mar 2012, 5:40 pm

oxring wrote:To all mods and admins and people who have control over such things. Please, pretty please - could you procure a facepalm smiley - that conveys the depth of feeling which occurs when banging one's head against a brick wall. Just so I have a slightly more pithy response to Az's comments about the Rock.

On another note - someone above described Chambers as "overweight and ageing" - that's not fair. Chambers was a bit tubs when he fought Povetkin - but he most certainly wasn't ageing - in fact, he was arguably in his prime. Povetkin won - but not until after being comprehensively outboxed early on, before someone dropped a fridge onto Fast (slow) Eddie's back.

The win over Byrd was very good - and announced Povetkin as a serious talent - but what has he done since? In his first 10 or so fights he fought some serious opposition - everyone else since has been journeyman level.

Atlas seems to have done SFA for Povetkin's career - other than wasting 2 years of it - and I'm left feeling that had he tried and failed against Wlad the first time - 2 years ago - we'd all have a more positive outlook upon the HW division.

Incidentally - I know that Wlad and Vit are once again, copping some flack for not fighting each other (there's a bitchy piece about the fact that because they won't fight each other we've been forced to watch WWs in Sportscenter magazine in Canada this month) - but to be fair - when Wlad was alone and dominant - before Vit made his comeback - most people STILL weren't enamoured with the division (I'm a self confessed exception - I like watching the HWs - including the Kbros).

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Post by Super D Boon Sun 11 Mar 2012, 3:55 pm

few weeks ago we saw Alexander Povetkin get a generous decision win over Marco Huck. This was his first fight without Teddy Atlas, and he didn't look good. He appeared to be exhausted after just five rounds, for a champion that is not good enough.

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Two things wrong with this statement. Firstly, it was not a generous decision at all. Povetkin clearly won the fight. Huck only won two clear rounds. Secondly Povetkin is not really a champion, more a fake.

Marco Huck is best described in the complimetary sense as a well conditioned athlete who throws punches.

To be blunt though, Huck is a talentless brawler who couldn't even beat a fat, overrated fake champion in Povetkin. He can only beat fat toilet cleaners at cruiserweight. The fact a no mark like Huck can be called a "world champion" is testament to how far down the gutter the sport of boxing has slid. The worst world champion in boxing today. OK

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Post by azania Sun 11 Mar 2012, 4:02 pm

Super D Boon wrote: few weeks ago we saw Alexander Povetkin get a generous decision win over Marco Huck. This was his first fight without Teddy Atlas, and he didn't look good. He appeared to be exhausted after just five rounds, for a champion that is not good enough.

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Two things wrong with this statement. Firstly, it was not a generous decision at all. Povetkin clearly won the fight. Huck only won two clear rounds. Secondly Povetkin is not really a champion, more a fake.

Marco Huck is best described in the complimetary sense as a well conditioned athlete who throws punches.
To be blunt though, Huck is a talentless brawler who couldn't even beat a fat, overrated fake champion in Povetkin. He can only beat fat toilet cleaners at cruiserweight. The fact a no mark like Huck can be called a "world champion" is testament to how far down the gutter the sport of boxing has slid. The worst world champion in boxing today. OK

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Post by AlexHuckerby Sun 11 Mar 2012, 5:33 pm

To use the wise words of Dereck Chisora Super D: SAY THAT TO MY FACE (As in Hucks)

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Post by Super D Boon Sun 11 Mar 2012, 6:36 pm

To be honest Alex, I'm not that much worse than the guff Marco Huck fights anyway. Add fat office worker to fat toilet cleaners, fat burger flippers and fat janitors! Laugh

I'd throw a tripod at him I would!


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