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Scholes never had to, Keano would do that. Paul Scholes score Goals!
But look at him now Afro, 37 and he is able to drive his team forward, in a different manner to how Gerrard does but nevertheless he drives Man United forward.

If the team is on the back foot and under pressure, Scholes becomes less effective

Really now....... So when Ajax were all over us at Old Traffod Scholes introduction didnt calm the game down? Steady the Man United ship?

Afro, your really making some silly statements today.

by **Afro** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:25 am

If Scholes was in a struggling side, I don't think he would have been as good. He only seems effective on the front foot, which he has had most of the time at United. It is far easier to control a game for United, with the players around you, then say for Everton or Bolton.

by FIFA Diva Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:26 am

Ferguson is the best at doing that.

I don't get how United were lucky? Yes you put pressure on United and only once we failed at dealing with it and you scored the rest of the time our team dealt with it.

In that first half, they put 12 crosses into the box and if it wasn't for (Rio) Ferdinand, (Jonny) Evans and David de Gea, we wouldn't have survived it

Of course is is not there job to stop goals going in? Fact is Norwich scored one and United scored two you did not deserve anything from that game. Yes you played well but if you deserved to win or get something you would have you can't blame the referee for that. An I don't understand how United were lucky? It's not like the goal to a defection.

I just really hate the term "We deserved to win"

by **Afro** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:27 am

nick_fury wrote:
but Gerrard can carry a team and drive them forward better than Scholes.
Scholes never had to, Keano would do that. Paul Scholes score Goals!
But look at him now Afro, 37 and he is able to drive his team forward, in a different manner to how Gerrard does but nevertheless he drives Man United forward.

If the team is on the back foot and under pressure, Scholes becomes less effective
Really now....... So when Ajax were all over us at Old Traffod Scholes introduction didnt calm the game down? Steady the Man United ship?

Afro, your really making some silly statements today.

They aren't silly, they are my opinion. Or is more Fan type comments going to start coming out because you don't agree with me?

by **Afro** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:29 am

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Ferguson is the best at doing that.

I don't get how United were lucky? Yes you put pressure on United and only once we failed at dealing with it and you scored the rest of the time our team dealt with it.

In that first half, they put 12 crosses into the box and if it wasn't for (Rio) Ferdinand, (Jonny) Evans and David de Gea, we wouldn't have survived it

Of course is is not there job to stop goals going in? Fact is Norwich scored one and United scored two you did not deserve anything from that game. Yes you played well but if you deserved to win or get something you would have you can't blame the referee for that. An I don't understand how United were lucky? It's not like the goal to a defection.

I just really hate the term "We deserved to win"

Got to agree with this.

Better team for the most - Yes
Deserved to win - No, United scored more legit goals.

by **ADMIN** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:35 am

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by FIFA Diva Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:36 am

Sodhat

Hero you're another one who likes Gerrard and believe that he really is a great player because the media and BBC tell you that.

I agree Gerrard can carry a team and drives forward well but can Gerrard play in a top quality team where the demands and expectations are much more greater where you are expected to put in top quality performances in week in week out not just in the big games, able to understand other great players and be able to play with them and not have the team suited and tactically stiched to suit you, still look brilliant when you play alongside Monster gods such as Ronaldo, Keane, Giggs and so on.

by nick_fury Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:37 am

If Scholes was in a struggling side, I don't think he would have been as good. He only seems effective on the front foot, which he has had most of the time at United. It is far easier to control a game for United, with the players around you, then say for Everton or Bolton.

Afro the FACKT is he is at Man United and hes doing it.

They aren't silly, they are my opinion. Or is more Fan type comments going to start coming out because you don't agree with me?

Afro, they are silly when clear match facts prove you incorrect.
Your "bench Carrick and bring back a retired Paul Scholes" statement was silly, I proved you wrong on it and I dont think you even replied, Viva even asked you to and I dont think ive seen it if you did.
The Gerrard thing is just an opinion.

by **ADMIN** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:38 am

Can we cut out terms such as ' who bums Gerrards'?
You lose all credibility with the rest of your point when you reduce your opening line to that level.

by nick_fury Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:44 am

OK Afro: you replied with

For the record, my actual opinion is that Carrick has played really well this season and should be ahead of at least Barry in the England reckoning.

Nothing in reply to your silly statement of Carrick being benched.

Thats what I disagree with. a silly statement which is quite far from the truth.
The gerrard/schole is an opinionated debate.

by **Afro** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:45 am

VivaPaulScholes wrote:I agree Gerrard can carry a team and drives forward well but can Gerrard play in a top quality team where the demands and expectations are much more greater where you are expected to put in top quality performances in week in week out not just in the big games, able to understand other great players and be able to play with them and not have the team suited and tactically stiched to suit you, still look brilliant when you play alongside Monster gods such as Ronaldo, Keane, Giggs and so on.

We'll never know as he has stayed at Liverpool. But I am still entitled to my opinion that I would rather have Gerrard in my team than Scholes. For example, I don't think Scholes would have clawed Liverpool back into the 2005 CL Final the way Gerrard did.

And Nick, posted earlier...

BigFellasAfro wrote::fishingrodsmiley:

You two are far worse than Fan when it comes to someone having a different opinion.

BigFellasAfro wrote:For the record, my actual opinion is that Carrick has played really well this season and should be ahead of at least Barry in the England reckoning.

But I also disagree with your opinions on Gerrard. I rate Scholes very highly, but I would rather have Gerrard in my midfield out of the two. it is close, but that is my opinion

by **Afro** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:46 am

Hero, can we have an actual fishing rod smiley.

I don't think Nick gets it yet. Viva does as he has replied to the admin post, but Napoleon is a little slow on the uptake

by Marky Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:47 am

I voted Scholes over Gerrard in central/attacking midfield. But defensively, although neither are great DM's, Gerrard is able to time a tackle so beats Scholes there.

by **ADMIN** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:48 am

And the point to which you referred Utd weren't lucky to beat Norwich due to the number of chances Utd carved, chances mean nothing, Arsenal most games carve chances galore but they try and walk the ball into the back of the net.
Fergie himself admitted post match we were lucky. Is he wrong but you're right?

And if you're wanting FAKTS as you bluntly break it down to between Scholes and Gerrard, on an individual basis rather than club wise:

Gerrard;

FWA Footballer of the Year: 2009
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2006
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2001
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2001, 2009
PFA Team of the Year: 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
FA Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009
Liverpool top goalscorer: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2005
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009[105]
FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2006
Goal of the Season: 2006
England Player of the Year: 2007

Scholes;

Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year (1): 1992–93
Premier League Player of the Month (4): January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010
PFA Team of the Year (3): 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02): Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008

by nick_fury Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:51 am

I don't think Nick gets it yet. Viva does as he has replied to the admin post, but Napoleon is a little slow on the uptake

Afro, I have a real job to do so I dont sit here and read every little think you write.

Also, your just doing that to cover up. Some of the poop you have come out with and then back tracked on is shocking for you. Expected better

by cherriesfna Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:51 am

IMO scholes is better.

but parker is the best English CM

by sodhat Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:52 am

Well this is a hefty debate.

I think that although Gerrard has more individual honours, he gets more notice for carrying Liverpool and generally his playing style is more eye catching than Scholes', if not any more effective.

That isn't to say he doesn't deserve them, I'd say he does, but I'd say from that list that Scholes is a little underappreciated.

by **Afro** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:52 am

Marky wrote:I voted Scholes over Gerrard in central/attacking midfield. But defensively, although neither are great DM's, Gerrard is able to time a tackle so beats Scholes there.

It is actually quite tricky because I would have wanted both in my team. They bring very different things to the team.

I went with Gerrard because of his allround game, but only just.

Be interesting to see the result of the vote if it excluded United and Liverpool supporters.

by FIFA Diva Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:54 am

We'll never know as he has stayed at Liverpool. But I am still entitled to my opinion that I would rather have Gerrard in my team than Scholes. For example, I don't think Scholes would have clawed Liverpool back into the 2005 CL Final the way Gerrard did.
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An we'll never know that Scholes can't drag a team because he has very rarley been in that position. All we know is Scholes has been playing for the best team in England with great for all his career and in that time he is still considered one of the best from them. I think the most greatest thing about Scholes is how he has changed the way he plays so he can still carry he has evolved something Gerrard is yet to do.

by **ADMIN** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:54 am

I'm a Utd fan
I voted Gerrard.

by nick_fury Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:55 am

Scholes is a little underappreciated.

Bar Man United thats always been the case.

Be interesting to see the result of the vote if it excluded United and Liverpool supporters.

Think it would be very close.

Does anyone think Gerrard will be playing at 37 ??

by **Afro** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:57 am

nick_fury wrote:
Also, your just doing that to cover up. Some of the poop you have come out with and then back tracked on is shocking for you. Expected better

Have you ever admitted when you have completely got the wrong end of the WUM?

by cherriesfna Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:57 am

nick_fury wrote:
Scholes is a little underappreciated.
Bar Man United thats always been the case.

Be interesting to see the result of the vote if it excluded United and Liverpool supporters.
Think it would be very close.

Does anyone think Gerrard will be playing at 37 ??

no at the quality scholes is

by **ADMIN** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 11:59 am

I think the injuries over the years to Gerrard have affected him more so than the ones Scholes have had, and Scholes retired from the International scene early in a bid to prolong his club career.

by nick_fury Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:00 pm

Have you ever admitted when you have completely got the wrong end of the WUM?

Ive admitted im wrong on occasions yes, I did it the other day with Fan when I made a statement without checking the facts re players assists.
But you actually were made to look stupid and now say its a "WUM" to back track and not look like a muppet. Even Viva questions you up to the point your realised you looked like a muppet and thought, oh I ccan say its a wum to get out of it.

by **Afro** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:01 pm

cherriesfan wrote:
nick_fury wrote:
Scholes is a little underappreciated.
Bar Man United thats always been the case.

Be interesting to see the result of the vote if it excluded United and Liverpool supporters.
Think it would be very close.

Does anyone think Gerrard will be playing at 37 ??

no at the quality scholes is

No chance I would say. Gerrard will stop playing by the time he is 35 I reckon. His game is more about energy and he will lose that. I think a closer comparison is Giggs, who was about energy, but has adapted in a way that Gerrard won't

by FIFA Diva Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:02 pm

Nick think you need to rephrase that. Does anyone think that Gerrard will be anywhere half as good as Scholes when is 37? It's a straight no.

Hero I never said that United created a lot of chances that was Tooze. All I said was United deserved to win the game because they scored 2 and Norwich 1. Yes Norwich did play very well and put pressure on United but they only got one goal so no they didn't deserve anything.

It's not luck that De Gea, Evans and Ferdinand dealt with almost everything that Norwich chucked it's because they are very good Footballers.

by **Afro** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:04 pm

You can't say it's lucky that the keeper and defenders kept Norwich from scoring a second. They did their jobs well and deservedly kept Norwich out for the most.

by nick_fury Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:04 pm

Nick think you need to rephrase that. Does anyone think that Gerrard will be anywhere half as good as Scholes when is 37? It's a straight no.

Was going to do a 2 part Q Viva. If there was good numbers for Yes then follow up by asking to a good/high level as Scholes has.

De Gea is having some good preformances of late. He deserves more credit than hes getting.

by **Afro** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:05 pm

De Gea is getting a lot of credit for the way he is playing atm

by **Afro** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:09 pm

Anyone see my earlier message about Krasic having agreed to join Real in the summer

by FIFA Diva Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:11 pm

One of the best examples is the 2005 FA Cup final between United and Arsenal. Arsenal were so scared of us that they played 4-5-1 (First time under Wenger) with Bergkamp as a lone striker, we battered them so bad in that game I couldn't believe it and I think it was in extra time from a free kick where they got their first shot on target.

But did we deserve to win the game? Hell no!!!

by nick_fury Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:18 pm

Anyone see my earlier message about Krasic having agreed to join Real in the summer

Yeah. not sure what to make of it really. You always hear my mates dad is a taxi drive and drove so and so to somewhere rumours.
Has you pal got one right before with his inside info??

by **Afro** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:21 pm

He is normally bang on.

He is not so much a mate, but a guy who I work closely with in Madrid. He is a club member of many years and was the one who took me to Real v Ajax.

I don't really know how much inside info he has got, but he has known about a few things that I could find nothing on the internet about, but turned out true (Adebayor loan; he told me about Drenthe coming to Everton on loan before it was in the press)

by nick_fury Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:22 pm

Is anyone else hearing that Wenger is Manager of the Month for Febuary?

Just seen it on twitter

by **Afro** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:24 pm

Wenger has been brilliant this month.

One in the face of the Arsenal haters

by nick_fury Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:26 pm

One in the face of the Arsenal haters

Thats true but I would say hes been brilliant.
3/4 leage wins including the battering of Blackburn and Spurs last week, suppose that justifies PL Manager of the Month.

He has also been knocked out of the FA CUp in Feb and effectively out of the CL.

by FIFA Diva Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:28 pm

Long live Wenger, I just hope it spends money in the Summer. Brilliant coach I respect him highly sometimes is a bit too stubborn I hope Arsenal beat Milan and go through.

by nick_fury Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:38 pm

I hope Arsenal beat Milan and go through.

Id like them too, we need a representative in the next round and further. Dont think either Chelsea or Arsenal will manage it tho.

Doubt he will spend money either. From when he said hes under pressure to make £15,-20m per season I just cant see how spending money will allow him to achieve that. More so with the £40m prifit the announced for the recent period was only due to player sales as year before for same period was a loss.

by nick_fury Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:46 pm

https://twitter.com/#!/GarethDParker/status/175512659905613824/photo/1

Hahaha

by cherriesfna Fri 02 Mar 2012, 1:57 pm

by Fernando Fri 02 Mar 2012, 1:58 pm

by cherriesfna Fri 02 Mar 2012, 2:03 pm

by **ADMIN** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 2:15 pm

Let's have some predictions going on this weekends games:

Liverpool V Arsenal
Blackburn V Aston Villa
Man City V Bolton
QPR V Everton
Stoke V Norwich
West Brom V Chelsea
Wigan V Swansea
Newcastle V Sunderland
Fulham V Wolves
Tottenham V Man Utd

by Fernando Fri 02 Mar 2012, 2:16 pm

Odnan Predo's wrote:Let's have some predictions going on this weekends games:

Liverpool V Arsenal - draw
Blackburn V Aston Villa - blackburn
Man City V Bolton - city
QPR V Everton - everton
Stoke V Norwich - draw
West Brom V Chelsea - wba
Wigan V Swansea - wigan
Newcastle V Sunderland - draw
Fulham V Wolves - fulham
Tottenham V Man Utd - draw

by sodhat Fri 02 Mar 2012, 2:22 pm

If I get them right do I win something...?

Liverpool 2-1 Arsenal
Blackburn 2-2 Aston Villa
Man City 3-0 Bolton
QPR 0-1 Everton
Stoke 2-0 Norwich
West Brom 0-2 Chelsea
Wigan 0-0 Swansea
Newcastle 3-2 Sunderland
Fulham 2-1 Wolves
Tottenham 1-1 Man Utd

by **ADMIN** Fri 02 Mar 2012, 2:25 pm

Liverpool V Arsenal 1-2
Blackburn V Aston Villa 0-0
Man City V Bolton 4-0
QPR V Everton 1-1
Stoke V Norwich 2-1
West Brom V Chelsea 1-0
Wigan V Swansea 1-2
Newcastle V Sunderland 2-2
Fulham V Wolves 1-0
Tottenham V Man Utd 3-4

by FIFA Diva Fri 02 Mar 2012, 2:28 pm

United win thats all that matters.

by Fernando Fri 02 Mar 2012, 2:32 pm

cherriesfan wrote:

Odnan > Cherry = Official angel

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