Ireland v Scotland match thread

[eirebilly]

First topic message reminder :

Scotland have been playing well and causing alot of teams problems and leading the 6N stats in line breaks.

I am expecting a very open game against Ireland and it could be a high scorer.

[maestegmafia]

Well played Ireland a great performance.

[MMC]

Their feet tangled up Billy. When running at that speed it's easy to get knocked off balance. Yes it looked bad but I don't think Earls was acting there. That's my opinion anyway.

[maestegmafia]

I really thought Scotland had more to give but Ireland were magnificent. Especially Donacha ORyan

[bsando]

On the replay it's clear that Earls has milked that. I don't care if there's contact from Evans (which there is and it's stupid), no rugby player should go to ground to win a penalty/yellow card.

Should be playing football instead. The contact never made him fall.

Shameful, and absolutely no need for it.

+1 It was exceedingly poor

Totally agree! But Evans should not have put his hand on him.

[funnyExiledScot]

Still really unhappy at Earles, really not needed.

Agreed, a good win for Ireland but I really hope Kidney et al have a word about that. If that had been a Scot I'd frankly want him dropped to send a message. I'm already annoyed about how much the Scotland players enter into dialogue with the ref.

We must do everything to prevent rugby from becoming like football.

[eirebilly]

Their feet tangled up Billy. When running at that speed it's easy to get knocked off balance. Yes it looked bad but I don't think Earls was acting there. That's my opinion anyway.

Disagree, he went down far too easily and had his arms out looking at the ref. Very poor i am afraid. Love the guy to his bones but that was poor. It was a yellow card for the contact but it didnt need his theatrics.

[funnyExiledScot]

Bsando - agreed, totally stupid contact (frankly if you're going to commit an offence like that you may as well do a "De Luca" and take the guy out).

Not my point though. Diving must NOT come into rugby.

Anyway, I don't want this thread to become about that. Credit to Ireland, tough schedule and we were well and trully beaten.

[eirebilly]

You Scottish fans have been absolutely billiant on this thread. Thanks for making it a great WUM free thread

[IanBru]

You Scottish fans have been absolutely billiant on this thread. Thanks for making it a great WUM free thread

The feeling's mutual, mate.

Massive well done to Ireland. I'm not glad they won, but I'm glad they're winning.

[eirebilly]

Thanks Ian, play like that against Italy and you will get a good win

[MMC]

Fair enough Billy. I'll take another look at it when it's on RTE Player (too poor for Sky+ ) and I'll put my hand up and admit I was wrong if that's the case.

Enjoy the rest of the evening, all.

[munkian]

Forget man of the match , Earles should get an Oscar for that dive , ugly little Rooney wannabe

Apart from that , great game for a neutral , Wales won and my Dublin girl got hers so happy.


Here's to an epic weekend , cheers everyone !

[George Carlin]

Anyone still think that the problem with Scotland isn't the coaching...?

Massimo Cuttita has a lot of explaining to do.

Everyone in blue dialled in their performance in the second half - simply not acceptable.

Credit to the men in green though - tough turnaround time and everybody put in a massive performance. O'Driscoll should be very proud of that.

Apart from Tom Daly Earls of course.

[eirebilly]

No probs MMC, i was just a little disappointed by his theatrics. The penalty and yellow card were a given so he really did not need to do that.

[geoff999rugby]

For a gaelic sports country - soccer style diving seems to have really caught on over there recently...

Yawn...................

[bsando]

cheers billy! you're a top bloke!

Well done Ireland, I've calmed down and composed myself (getting better and better at it with every loss haha). Smart smart rugby, the sort of rugby that wins games against teams like Aus in the world cup. Dug in the 2nd half with a decent margin, absorbed our pretty poor attempts at getting points and took chances when they came. Good luck against England, I know you can win at Twickers!!

[Cymroglan]

Well done Ireland

[tigertattie]

My 2p worth

Good game in the first half. Terrible game in the 2nd.

Scotland backs running sideways all day. Not a line cut at all.

Ireland played the ref well. Can't blame them.

Scotland scrum was shocking. May have been the constant Irish early engagement.

Scotland defence was terrible.

Earls should be ashamed of himself for his dive. Evans only touched his arm. However, Evans did touch him

Overall. Scotland only have themselves to blame. Toothless in attack. Switched off in defense. 3 soft tries scored by a streetwise Ireland who were clinical in punishing a poor Scotland effort.

[MMC]

Sorry, just saw the Earls/Evans incident again. Evans' foot clearly catches Earls. Also, I think that Earls' "theatrics" are being talked up at bit. Soccer-style dive it certainly was not.

[eirebilly]

Thanks bsando

[majesticimperialman]

Did Ireland look more dangerous when O'Gara came on, more confident than they did with out him?

Well played to Ireland for getting the win, look forward to next week now when England and Ireland meet.

Would not like to try and guess/ predict what they score could be, but looking forward to a great game.

[valjester]

No probs MMC, i was just a little disappointed by his theatrics. The penalty and yellow card were a given so he really did not need to do that.

His left foot is clipped by Evans pushing it onto his right calf, the speed he was running at he is also going to go down, it wasn't a dive.


Would have thought Ferris was motm but Ryan was outstanding as well so think it is fair decision.

[eirebilly]

Sorry, just saw the Earls/Evans incident again. Evans' foot clearly catches Earls. Also, I think that Earls' "theatrics" are being talked up at bit. Soccer-style dive it certainly was not.

Well, each to their own there MMC. I will watch it again later myself but from the replays i saw at the time it was not good. If i am wrong then i will stick my hand up

[eirebilly]

No probs MMC, i was just a little disappointed by his theatrics. The penalty and yellow card were a given so he really did not need to do that.

His left foot is clipped by Evans pushing it onto his right calf, the speed he was running at he is also going to go down, it wasn't a dive.


Would have thought Ferris was motm but Ryan was outstanding as well so think it is fair decision.

The clip was there, plain to see and of course he was going to go down. What i have objected too is the manner in which he went down. I dont think that it was good. NOT A DIVE but theatrical effort.

[Casartelli]

For a gaelic sports country - soccer style diving seems to have really caught on over there recently...

Yawn...................

Fair enough.

I used to love watching Irish rugby. Proper, hard as nails, honest stuff. But now it's choke tackles, diving around to win penalties (Earls, Donnchha Ryan, Horan - okay that was 2008, but anyway), Kearney taking people out in the air and 'we stay quiet for the kicker unless its a kick to win the game' blah blah. Shame.

[Biltong]

Congratulations to me Irish mates, condolences to me scottish mates, I think Richie Gray was man of te match.

[eirebilly]

For a gaelic sports country - soccer style diving seems to have really caught on over there recently...

Yawn...................

Fair enough.

I used to love watching Irish rugby. Proper, hard as nails, honest stuff. But now it's choke tackles, diving around to win penalties (Earls, Donnchha Ryan, Horan - okay that was 2008, but anyway), Kearney taking people out in the air and 'we stay quiet for the kicker unless its a kick to win the game' blah blah. Shame.

Chunky

[MMC]

These boards would be boring if we all agreed with each other anyway.

No doubt we'll be chatting during the week Billy, enjoy your evening.

[Hookisms and Hyperbole]

For a gaelic sports country - soccer style diving seems to have really caught on over there recently...

Yawn...................

Fair enough.

I used to love watching Irish rugby. Proper, hard as nails, honest stuff. But now it's choke tackles, diving around to win penalties (Earls, Donnchha Ryan, Horan - okay that was 2008, but anyway), Kearney taking people out in the air and 'we stay quiet for the kicker unless its a kick to win the game' blah blah. Shame.

Chunky

Yeah choke tackles are awful. Imagine thinking of a way to tackle a player, hold the ball up in order to affect a turn over so you get possession back. How dishonest. Troll

[valjester]

No probs MMC, i was just a little disappointed by his theatrics. The penalty and yellow card were a given so he really did not need to do that.

His left foot is clipped by Evans pushing it onto his right calf, the speed he was running at he is also going to go down, it wasn't a dive.


Would have thought Ferris was motm but Ryan was outstanding as well so think it is fair decision.

The clip was there, plain to see and of course he was going to go down. What i have objected too is the manner in which he went down. I dont think that it was good. NOT A DIVE but theatrical effort.

I'm not sure how you can claim being tripped and jumping straight back to his feet is theatrical tbh.

[eirebilly]

Have a good one MMC

[Knowsit17]

Didn't get a good look at Earls' legs during that contact. Initially I thought he must have acted up but that would be thick of me to claim without definite evidence. Still sceptical.

If I'm bluntly honest Earls has never struck me as a football-style drama queen and I'd be surprised and disappointed if that dive was deliberate.

Still, it only takes a snagged foot...

[bsando]

Congratulations to me Irish mates, condolences to me scottish mates, I think Richie Gray was man of te match.

Hah! I was just thinking that! If We had not been so dreadful in the 2nd half then maybe he might have been. He is such a good player, every time he gets the ball I get this comfortable safe feeling, like nothing can go wrong if he has it.

[eirebilly]

Fair enough Valjester, we can agree to disagree on it then. You saw it your way and i saw it mine.

[RDW]

Really well done Ireland - you're best performance of the championship by far. Such a shame though that it was combined with Scotland's worst.

Quick summary - Earl's dive was shocking, and why did Rennie get subbed so early???

[eirebilly]

For me its an element that is creeping into the game i love and i hate it. I was fuming at one of the Irish player (Fergus?) in a RWC warmup match when he was waving his hand footballesq, asking for a yellow card. Dont need it in rugby.

[Guest]

Completely agree with you on that Billy. Wasn't impressed by Parisse in the Wales match earlier either.

I didn't see any contact with Earls' leg, only his arm, but will happily concede my mistake if I pick it up again on replays. THought he went down far too easy but the bit I didn't like was that he was immediately calling out to the ref to do something.

Players seem to be whining more and more at refs recently and I don't like it

On to the game though, I thoroughly enjoyed the first half, although Scotland need to look long and hard at their defence. Disappointing 2nd half, but Ireland were deserving of the victory. A hard fought game, and credit to both sides for all the effort put in

Also, really hope Jones is okay.

[Golden]

What did people think of o gara and sexton on together?

Personally i think ROGs international time is up, think mcfadden at 12 would have been better to look at.

[Knowsit17]

For me its an element that is creeping into the game i love and i hate it. I was fuming at one of the Irish player (Fergus?) in a RWC warmup match when he was waving his hand footballesq, asking for a yellow card. Dont need it in rugby.

Make it a citable offence. Or better yet, fine them if found guilty

I know it'll never happen but wouldn't you just love it?

[eirebilly]

Golden, i am going to get slated again but i think that Sexton is a better 12 than 10...

If a good footballing 10 (Madigan) comes into the team then i feel that Ireland will be very very good. Ireland looked a lot more comfortable in the second half when ROG went into 10 and Sexton to 12. That all could be down to D'Arcy though who Deccie, surely wont pick again?

[eirebilly]

Knowsit, man. +1

It will never happen but that is what it needs to remove it.

Nip it in the bud i say.

[JLyall]

Haven't seen a replay of it yet, but did anyone else think that Trimble's hit on Jones warranted a penalty/yellow? Looked to me like there was little or no use of the arms/rugby league style shoulder hit.

[eirebilly]

Haven't seen a replay of it yet, but did anyone else think that Trimble's hit on Jones warranted a penalty/yellow? Looked to me like there was little or no use of the arms/rugby league style shoulder hit.

No, Trimble was in the motion of a ball in all tackle until the heads clashed and they both fell away. He did not go in to hit without using his arms.

[JLyall]

Haven't seen a replay of it yet, but did anyone else think that Trimble's hit on Jones warranted a penalty/yellow? Looked to me like there was little or no use of the arms/rugby league style shoulder hit.

No, Trimble was in the motion of a ball in all tackle until the heads clashed and they both fell away. He did not go in to hit without using his arms.

Like I say, have yet to see a replay, that was my gut reaction. Brutal collision either way

[eirebilly]

It was really unfortunate JLyall but absolutely no malice there. Thank Heavens Jones is ok.

[George Carlin]

Haven't seen a replay of it yet, but did anyone else think that Trimble's hit on Jones warranted a penalty/yellow? Looked to me like there was little or no use of the arms/rugby league style shoulder hit.

Nope, nothing in it.

[Golden]

ye billy Sextons looked good at 12 whenever played there dont think hes better there than 10, at least not yet. What i was saying was that ive been disappointed with ROG this tournament. I know its a bit rash to judge him on sub appearances but even his kicking which is his bread and butter has been disappointing.

A Madigan sexton combo sounds amazing tbh wouldn't mind seeing that for Leinster at some point. But in the mean time i would have rathered sexton stayed at 10 and we looked at a viable alternative to Darcy cos rog sexton isn't going to start.

[eirebilly]

The Madigan Sexton combo has me excited to be honest. I think that it would be brilliant.

One thing you can say about ROG though, is his amazing calming influence that he brings to the side. Ireland were much better when he came on.

[Feckless Rogue]

McFadden achieved more in his short cameo than D'arcy did in the whole game. Wake up Deccie.

Earls was clearly tripped. Obvious in the replay. And he jumped back up again. All he did was look and shout to the referee in complaint. That's not diving or acting.

Sexton is the best 10 we have. And he's looking much more comfortable at test level in the last few games. His kicking success percentage is improving. He'll be bossing games like he does for Leinster soon. But I do agree he's probably the best 12 we have too. Madigan is having a great season, so we could end up with 10. Madigan 12. Sexton in the future.

[Golden]

Where was mcfadden playing when he came on?

Was he at 13 with earls at full back? or on the wing with bowe at full back?

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