Well Done England

Didn't think they would win today thought France at home would be to strong for them but they were very good in defence and looked dangerous. I have said all along that I think they shoul have given Lancaster the job until at least after the summer tour.

Win or lose next week and I think England will win it will be very harsh on him if they bring someone in above him now, he has done well with a young side and instilled some much needed disciplne and ethos.

are you saying that because it means you have probably won the championship?

And once again we have to play the French after they suffer another painful defeat.

Not at all sports, and without looking at the table England not out of it now if we lose next week which I don't think we will.

Bedford I think we go into next weeks match on +38.

Knew we'd win...we mayt not have won in Paris since 2008 but they are not exactly mentally strong are they?

Referee tried to help the French with that yellow card (alain was it?) conspiracy I think!!

Cymroglan wrote:Bedford I think we go into next weeks match on +38.

Well thats a nice little cushion but lets hope it doesn't come down to that.

Cheers Bedford!

Cymroglan wrote:Bedford I think we go into next weeks match on +38.

Yeah, I can't see Wales losing by 20 and England putting a similar score on Ireland. Still, a good performance against Ireland (and a win if possible!) and it'll be a decent 6Ns for England. Nice to go into the final weekend still with an outside chance.

It's all a bit like last year but I think Wales will beat this French team at home.

Congrats England!

Lets not turn this into a cheating ref bashing because there are numerous examples where you prospered as opposed to being cheated against.

England have now won in Paris in 3 out of the last 4 attempts. Not too shabby.

Safe,

Do you thin Lancaster will get the job, I am still under impression the RFU want a 'bigger' name to come in and take over.

Will be very harsh on him if the do that

EnglishReign wrote:England have now won in Paris in 3 out of the last 4 attempts. Not too shabby.

Great record and really makes me wonder what Ireland keep doing wrong when we go over there.

bedfordwelsh wrote:Safe,

Do you thin Lancaster will get the job, I am still under impression the RFU want a 'bigger' name to come in and take over.

Will be very harsh on him if the do that

This result obvious goes in his favour, as would a win against Ireland. However, even then I wouldn't be surprised to see a 'big' name come in. I wouldn't like to try and second-guess the RFU these days!

I'd be pretty happy to keep Lancaster at the moment and I really like the back-up of Farrell and Rowntree. Real no-nonsense stuf. But maybe I'm still just happy after today's result with tries More pressure will come at home against Ireland.

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:England have now won in Paris in 3 out of the last 4 attempts. Not too shabby.

Great record and really makes me wonder what Ireland keep doing wrong when we go over there.

Just look at our record against the Irish. Since 2007 we've beat the French 5 times and lost once (in the 6 nations). In the same period we've lost to Ireland 5 times and beat them once. I believe Ireland have beat France once and lost 5 times. Bizarre

Well played, England. Croft is a great forward, and Ben Morgan could become a great 8, with experience.

Safe,

They pushed us, maybe should have won and have just beaten France away I think they will go into the game full of confidence next week and I would be very surprised if they didn't win.

Like said think it would bevery harsh on Lancaster if he didn't get job now, he has some class youngsters to work with and they doing him proud at the moment.

One negative was Ashton he just seems to have lost the plot at the moment and being dropped might be kick up harris he needs.

Really pleased with this win. However, englands attacking game is still not up to scratch. Two tries scored by aggressive defence. Farrell is very decent, and if it ain't broke etc. But I want to see Flood involved next week.

HammerofThunor wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:England have now won in Paris in 3 out of the last 4 attempts. Not too shabby.

Great record and really makes me wonder what Ireland keep doing wrong when we go over there.

Just look at our record against the Irish. Since 2007 we've beat the French 5 times and lost once (in the 6 nations). In the same period we've lost to Ireland 5 times and beat them once. I believe Ireland have beat France once and lost 5 times. Bizarre

Yeah it's a

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:England have now won in Paris in 3 out of the last 4 attempts. Not too shabby.

Great record and really makes me wonder what Ireland keep doing wrong when we go over there.

Ireland seem to sleep a bit in the middle of the match when i've seen them in 6N vs France, i would call it a stamina issue.

bedfordwelsh wrote:Safe,

They pushed us, maybe should have won and have just beaten France away I think they will go into the game full of confidence next week and I would be very surprised if they didn't win.

Like said think it would bevery harsh on Lancaster if he didn't get job now, he has some class youngsters to work with and they doing him proud at the moment.

One negative was Ashton he just seems to have lost the plot at the moment and being dropped might be kick up harris he needs.

Yeah, agree with all that. Hopefully the RFU won't think a "quick fix" with a big name is required. As conversely this could end up setting them back a fair bit. Sport's a funny thing. First two weeks England struggled but won away, then beaten at home by Wales but played better then previously. Now after a good win in Paris it's all looking rosier. I like to think it's all part of Lancaster's gameplan coming across better now. We'll get another insight next week. I hope it then not a case of "thanks, but we've got 'insert big name here' lined up".

Ashton looks completely out of sorts. I was all for giving him a game or two to get back in form but now I think he needs a break for his own good and England's.

Yeah it could really set England back if the did, a new coach will come in and want to put his stamp on it do it his way etc.

Just look at our record against the Irish. Since 2007 we've beat the French 5 times and lost once (in the 6 nations). In the same period we've lost to Ireland 5 times and beat them once. I believe Ireland have beat France once and lost 5 times. Bizarre

The Irish don't take risks against us, they are solid but unspectacular and frustrate us into errors. Basically they are Italy with stronger backs.

Thanks. Good luck next week. I should patriotically pray for you to lose to France so we have a slight chance, but I just can't do that

bedfordwelsh wrote:Didn't think they would win today thought France at home would be to strong for them but they were very good in defence and looked dangerous. I have said all along that I think they shoul have given Lancaster the job until at least after the summer tour.

Win or lose next week and I think England will win it will be very harsh on him if they bring someone in above him now, he has done well with a young side and instilled some much needed disciplne and ethos.

I agree England are definitely improving every game now. Their final match against Ireland should be an absolute blinder.

Great match today England fans should be very happy with that performance indeed. The team are a long way from being what they once were but they had that doggedness about the loose play a great line out, a solid dependable youngster at flyhalf. Just need to sort out the scrum.

France are a mess. That said, I am worried that they will turn it around in a week and come out a different side capable of beating Wales. Especially if Trin-Duc is at the helm with Parra

I don't really care about winning the 6 nations this year and I'm almost glad that it's now realistically out of reach. I wanted to beat Scotland, Italy and another. We've got that. If we can beat Ireland as well then I'd be ecstatic.

In fact I want Wales to win the slam because if England need to win by 20 then it could force the side into doing stupid things. I'd rather then just go for the win and not worry about the margin.

maestegmafia wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:Didn't think they would win today thought France at home would be to strong for them but they were very good in defence and looked dangerous. I have said all along that I think they shoul have given Lancaster the job until at least after the summer tour.

Win or lose next week and I think England will win it will be very harsh on him if they bring someone in above him now, he has done well with a young side and instilled some much needed disciplne and ethos.

I agree England are definitely improving every game now. Their final match against Ireland should be an absolute blinder.

Great match today England fans should be very happy with that performance indeed. The team are a long way from being what they once were but they had that doggedness about the loose play a great line out, a solid dependable youngster at flyhalf. Just need to sort out the scrum.

France are a mess. That said, I am worried that they will turn it around in a week and come out a different side capable of beating Wales. Especially if Trin-Duc is at the helm with Parra

I thought the scrum did pretty well today.

In all honesty its hard to mke any sense of the scrum these days of any side. Its normally a complete horlicks.

Josiah Maiestas wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:England have now won in Paris in 3 out of the last 4 attempts. Not too shabby.

Great record and really makes me wonder what Ireland keep doing wrong when we go over there.

Ireland seem to sleep a bit in the middle of the match when i've seen them in 6N vs France, i would call it a stamina issue.

I think it's more a rock-scissors-paper thing. Certain styles or rugby can trump one kind, but not another. France do seem to fall into the trap of trying to beat England at their own game rather than playing their more natural style.

Every ref has his own agenda regarding how long there should be between Touch Pause Engage, Some officials seem to drag the pause out.

gelodge wrote:

Josiah Maiestas wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:England have now won in Paris in 3 out of the last 4 attempts. Not too shabby.

Great record and really makes me wonder what Ireland keep doing wrong when we go over there.

Ireland seem to sleep a bit in the middle of the match when i've seen them in 6N vs France, i would call it a stamina issue.

I think it's more a rock-scissors-paper thing. Certain styles or rugby can trump one kind, but not another. France do seem to fall into the trap of trying to beat England at their own game rather than playing their more natural style.

Yeah, so France try and play England's way, Ireland go to sleep against France and the Irish cheat when they play England. That sums it up I think

One thing I would like to see is a few offloads from Tuilagi, I understand he believes in his ability to break the line, but there is little benefit in breaking the line if the next phase is slow ruck ball. If you cross the gain line, the benefit of it should be quick ball to a player in space.

Yep, great performance by England, looked more calm and composed throughout than the French. The latter weren't hitting the tackles well at all while England, au contraire, were magnificent in defence (or should that be Italian in defence by now? ), often taking man and ball.

Only negative for England was their discipline. But while they didn't take every opportunity presented they certainly did enough. Lesson on how to be clinical in the first 20 mins

biltongbek wrote:One thing I would like to see is a few offloads from Tuilagi, I anderstand he believes in his ability to break the line, but there is little benefit in breaking the line f the next pahse is slow ruck ball. If you cross the gain line, the benefit of it should be quick ball to a player in space.

The players have got to be there. I wasn't paying attention to see if he missed any chances.

Thing is, he can do it, he's done it for Leicester

Hammer there were chances, I said last week I will be specifically looking for it.

well done england, and france. best game of the weekend

HammerofThunor wrote:

biltongbek wrote:One thing I would like to see is a few offloads from Tuilagi, I anderstand he believes in his ability to break the line, but there is little benefit in breaking the line f the next pahse is slow ruck ball. If you cross the gain line, the benefit of it should be quick ball to a player in space.

The players have got to be there. I wasn't paying attention to see if he missed any chances.

He did, several times a winger was outside him in a bit of space when he went to contact. Obviously, the fact that frequently it was Ashton probably doesn't help

Personally i thought that SL got his tactics absolutely spot on. The first half was almost a mirror image of Irelands first half last week but England kept it going in the second half.

Really happy for Stuart Lancaster as i think that he is a really genuine person and i hope that he gets the England job full time. There seems to be a great spirit in the England team and thats great to see.

Great to see Croft back in form & young Farrell is growing with every game he plays he has fantastic awareness.

The RFU have some tough decisions to make & hopefully all the coaching team will have a role in the future.
It would be a shame to disrupt what is developing game on game now.

Well done Saesneg-was a good game to watch and you pulled it off-

thanks

and i really want lancaster to stay on!

Josiah Maiestas wrote:

Just look at our record against the Irish. Since 2007 we've beat the French 5 times and lost once (in the 6 nations). In the same period we've lost to Ireland 5 times and beat them once. I believe Ireland have beat France once and lost 5 times. Bizarre

The Irish don't take risks against us, they are solid but unspectacular and frustrate us into errors. Basically they are Italy with stronger backs.

Don't agree with that at all. They just beat us in the forwards, with the contact area, the breakdown and set pieces bar the scrum.
They utilise the hold up tackle very well, their midfield without BOD is quite weak imo and somewhere tuilagi can exploit.

LuvSports! wrote:

Josiah Maiestas wrote:

Just look at our record against the Irish. Since 2007 we've beat the French 5 times and lost once (in the 6 nations). In the same period we've lost to Ireland 5 times and beat them once. I believe Ireland have beat France once and lost 5 times. Bizarre

The Irish don't take risks against us, they are solid but unspectacular and frustrate us into errors. Basically they are Italy with stronger backs.

Don't agree with that at all. They just beat us in the forwards, with the contact area, the breakdown and set pieces bar the scrum.
They utilise the hold up tackle very well, their midfield without BOD is quite weak imo and somewhere tuilagi can exploit.

Agreed. Last year's match saw Ireland take risks. Sexton's quick tap and go, and the free flow for most of the first half was what won them the game. England didn't know what hit them with the pace and intensity from Ireland. Similarly, they decided to use rush defence against France which is more risky, particularly with a team like France.

It'll be interesting to see if Kidney decides to do the same, given the size mis-matches in midfield.

From me to well done England,respect were due three individually brilliant tries they won in France.
I know it's hardly big news England beating France because they always seem to but when you look how much more experience the French had and the tries England scored you have to take your hat off to them

Now comon Wales do the slam, the championship just isn't as sweet.

That was a very fine performance from England today. The first time England have won 3 games away from home.

In my opinion Stuart Lancaster should get the job full time. Will Greenwood said that SL needs to win atleast 3 games, well he has won 3 Games.

I am not saying that this side is the finished product, not by a long shot. But SL is bringing them on very nicely indeed.

mystiroakey wrote:thanks

and i really want lancaster to stay on!

mysit,

I hope he does it would be a huge mistake if the yjust drop him but I feel they might. Hope I am wrong

viewtothegym wrote:From me to well done England,respect were due three individually brilliant tries they won in France.
I know it's hardly big news England beating France because they always seem to but when you look how much more experience the French had and the tries England scored you have to take your hat off to them

Now comon Wales do the slam, the championship just isn't as sweet.

Good luck with the Slam. Unless the French pull out a performance they usually save for New Zealand I can't see you failing

Billtong

Are you coming to my way of thinking? Tuilagi is great at carrying into contact and spoiling quick ball out wide?!

thebluesmancometh wrote:Billtong

Are you coming to my way of thinking? Tuilagi is great at carrying into contact and spoiling quick ball out wide?!

I don't know if he is, but I can see your point of view. The fact is for Leicester he can spread fast ball though

thebluesmancometh wrote:Billtong

Are you coming to my way of thinking? Tuilagi is great at carrying into contact and spoiling quick ball out wide?!

bluesman, I only saw him in the last two weeks and I said it last week as well, perhaps oddly we agree on something.