My top 5 outhalfs in the world.

by hugo124 Wed 14 Mar 2012, 7:41 pm

1.Carter-enough said.
2.Sexton-has all the qualities needed to be a brilliant flyhalf.
3.Nick Evans-wasting his time at Harlequins when he could be playing at the highest level.
4.Farrell-already looks like the real deal,plus there is no one else.
5.O'Gara-past it, (except for the last minute drop goals) but it isn't like I am going to pick Cooper.

by Casartelli Wed 14 Mar 2012, 7:47 pm

Don't like French or South African rugby?

by hugo124 Wed 14 Mar 2012, 7:57 pm

Steyn is the most one dimensional outhalf in the game.Trinh-Duc is a good runner but doesn't have a kicking game.

by dogtooth Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:06 pm

i cant pick. i reckon i would have stephen jones in my topfive.

by **Biltong** Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:08 pm

You select Farrel with 2 tests over Lambie who has already proven himself as a match winner and has played 11 tests?

Have you not heard the pundits wax lyrical about him?

by Knowsit17 Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:12 pm

I don't think O'Gara is top five today and, although I'll get blasted by some for this, I don't think he was even top five in his prime Run

by slartibartfast Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:22 pm

Hmm...

To be fair to O'gara some of his tactical play has been perfect.

Cater gets soo much time on the ball it's not fair. Crying or Very sad

by hugo124 Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:37 pm

biltongbek wrote:You select Farrel with 2 tests over Lambie who has already proven himself as a match winner and has played 11 tests?

Have you not heard the pundits wax lyrical about him?

Who is Lambie?

by **Biltong** Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:38 pm

sorry mate, but if you don't know I can't help you.

by Barney McGrew did it Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:41 pm

Cips
Lamb
Geraghty
Goode (Andy)
Did I mention Cips

by hugo124 Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:43 pm

biltongbek wrote:sorry mate, but if you don't know I can't help you.

It would take less words to write the name of the team than writing that... and frankly, I feel that is disrespectful and I think you should be banned! rumour has it, its easy enough for that to happen

by hugo124 Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:44 pm

Barney McGrew did it wrote:Cips
Lamb
Geraghty
Goode (Andy)
Did I mention Cips

Well at least I have heard of them!

by kunu Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:49 pm

he's an s.a utility back.. probably better than farrell, but realistically the only consistently good player at 10 right now is Carter

by Chunky Norwich Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:51 pm

O'Gara in the top 5. amazing. Comedy selection.

by hugo124 Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:53 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:O'Gara in the top 5. amazing. Comedy selection.

Apart from Lambie name someone to replace him.

by dogtooth Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:55 pm

and, i'll have andy goode in my top five. top quality.

by Feckless Rogue Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:56 pm

by sirtidychris Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:58 pm

1.Carter
2.Steyn
3.Sexton
4.Contepomi
5.Barnes - australia looked amazing at he world cup after QC injured himself

by Chunky Norwich Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:58 pm

hugo124 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:O'Gara in the top 5. amazing. Comedy selection.
Apart from Lambie name someone to replace him.

Flood
Preistland
Cruden
Donald
Probably James
Skrela
Trin Dunc
Maybe the guy Jantje.

There are loads. O'gara in the top 5 current fly halfs is comedy gold.
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by kunu Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:58 pm

biltongbek wrote:Have you not heard the pundits wax lyrical about him?

That's almost a bad sign these days Wink

by **Biltong** Wed 14 Mar 2012, 8:59 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6wP8tivE1A

by kunu Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:03 pm

first attempted tackle is pathetic, props for leaving burger behind though

by hugo124 Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:04 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
hugo124 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:O'Gara in the top 5. amazing. Comedy selection.
Apart from Lambie name someone to replace him.

Flood
Preistland
Cruden
Donald
Probably James
Skrela
Trin Dunc
Maybe the guy Jantje.

There are loads. O'gara in the top 5 current fly halfs is comedy gold.

Ok so, here we go.
Flood-a decent premiership outhalf at best, doesn't have the temperament to play at the highest level.
Priestland-Can't kick, can't run and can't tackle.
Donald-now that is comedy gold.
Skrela-now it gets better, he just another O'Gara except worse at kicking.
Trinh-Duc-well you can't spell his name for starters.He is a good runner but doesn't have a kicking game.

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by kunu Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:07 pm

that was obviously a joke list hugo

by Chunky Norwich Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:08 pm

hugo124 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
hugo124 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:O'Gara in the top 5. amazing. Comedy selection.
Apart from Lambie name someone to replace him.

Flood
Preistland
Cruden
Donald
Probably James
Skrela
Trin Dunc
Maybe the guy Jantje.

There are loads. O'gara in the top 5 current fly halfs is comedy gold.

Ok so, here we go.
Flood-a decent premiership outhalf at best, doesn't have the temperament to play at the highest level.
Priestland-Can't kick, can't run and can't tackle.
Donald-now that is comedy gold.
Skrela-now it gets better, he just another O'Gara except worse at kicking.
Trinh-Duc-well you can't spell his name for starters.He is a good runner but doesn't have a kicking game.

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Now tell me how O'Gara compares to all of those.

I await laughing out loud.

by hugo124 Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:10 pm

biltongbek wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6wP8tivE1A

You do know that is the Currie cup, right?
Where are all his tries at international level?
Although he is 21, 11 claps "enough said".

by kunu Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:12 pm

In fairness its pretty close, certainly not laugh out loud stuff anyway. Although I am by no means a fan of Rog, that list of o/hs each have some major shortcomings

by **Biltong** Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:13 pm

hugo124 wrote:
biltongbek wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6wP8tivE1A
You do know that is the Currie cup, right?
Where are all his tries at international level?
Although he is 21, 11 claps "enough said".

Yes Hugo my bad, He is over rated.

by Rory_Gallagher Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:14 pm

Not pay attention to the world cup Hugo?? Lambie is a class talent.

by Taylorman Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:16 pm

hugo124 wrote:
Barney McGrew did it wrote:Cips
Lamb
Geraghty
Goode (Andy)
Did I mention Cips
Well at least I have heard of them!

Who's Geraghty- very much doubt hes better than Cooper- in fact none of the above are... Whistle

by kunu Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:17 pm

hugo124 wrote:
You do know that is the Currie cup, right?
Where are all his tries at international level?
Although he is 21, 11 claps "enough said".

hugo you must know as well as everyone else that every international try isnt going to be on youtube. furthermore, if you're judging his skills at outhalf, tries don't really come into the equation.

by dogtooth Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:18 pm

yes, contmponi. i'll have him too. and carter

jones
goode
contemponi
carter
and
arwel?

by **Biltong** Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:19 pm

From the New Zealand Herald.

By Kevin McCallum , September 9, 2011

It takes a fair amount to fluster Lambie, a young man who has taken to the top flight with such aplomb that it reminds one of Jonny Wilkinson. And Pietersen, whose tackle in the quarter-final against Fiji will remain the stuff of South African World Cup legend.

It is hard to believe he will not end up in the 10 jersey for the Springboks eventually. His talents are better suited to the role, his 80 per cent success rate in kicking during Super 15, his step, the vision, the composure - he was born to be a 10.

by hugo124 Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:20 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
hugo124 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
hugo124 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:O'Gara in the top 5. amazing. Comedy selection.
Apart from Lambie name someone to replace him.

Flood
Preistland
Cruden
Donald
Probably James
Skrela
Trin Dunc
Maybe the guy Jantje.

There are loads. O'gara in the top 5 current fly halfs is comedy gold.

Ok so, here we go.
Flood-a decent premiership outhalf at best, doesn't have the temperament to play at the highest level.
Priestland-Can't kick, can't run and can't tackle.
Donald-now that is comedy gold.
Skrela-now it gets better, he just another O'Gara except worse at kicking.
Trinh-Duc-well you can't spell his name for starters.He is a good runner but doesn't have a kicking game.

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Now tell me how O'Gara compares to all of those.

I await laughing out loud.

First of all, he is the most capped player in his country and though there wasn't a lot of competition,it still is a great achievement.
He is probably the best tactical kicker in the world.He has shown that he can drop a goal under pressure from 50 metres out, which I'm sure only a handful of players are able to do.Fantastic place kicker, certainly one of the top 3 in the world.Great passer of the ball, as he showed for years playing with O'Driscoll and D'arcy in the prime.He really knows how to make a backline tick.
Finally, he is one of the worse tacklers in the game however I think he makes up for it with all his other qualities that make him the fifth best outhalf in the world.
Ps.I would really like to hear your reasoning behind picking Donald and Skrela.Was it Donald's nerve to barely get a penalty straight in front of the posts?I am really just baffled with Skrela, I don't think he would start for Italy.

by hugo124 Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:24 pm

kunu wrote:
hugo124 wrote:
You do know that is the Currie cup, right?
Where are all his tries at international level?
Although he is 21, 11 claps "enough said".
hugo you must know as well as everyone else that every international try isnt going to be on youtube. furthermore, if you're judging his skills at outhalf, tries don't really come into the equation.

Firstly, he hasn't got any tries for his country.Secondly, I wasn't the one who posted Lambie scoring a try.I'm just stating the facts, don't shoot the messenger.

by disneychilly Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:24 pm

Isn't Hernandez still playing?! There's someone who's both better than O'Gara and a top 5 pick.

Cooper's like Spencer. Pants when he's off, sublime when he's on. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt though and put him in.

TM I'd have loved to have Evans backing up DC but in terms of wasting his time I disagree there mate. DC's the best of his generation, probably ever as on another thread, and Evans would never have as much time in the NZ 10 shirt as he'd like. Cutting and running may have been the best option for him as HC is the same level as Super Rugby and he'd get paid a lot more.

So what's that, DC, Evans, Cooper, Hernandez and what the hell Sexton I like him. Really wanna see more of Lambie this year though as I think from the glimpses I've seen Biltong's on the money with his praise.

Some great promise with Farrell and Priestland too to keep the NH optimistic. Though keep an eye on Anscombe, Barrett and Bleyendaal too.

by SimonofSurrey Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:25 pm

I happened to have a beer at Stade de France last Sunday with the Brive club doctor (how's that for an opening line...) and I can assure you his world top 5 No 10s would not include Andy Goode. But AG did apparently have two good games for them shortly after he joined.

by Chunky Norwich Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:27 pm

hugo124 wrote:

First of all, he is the most capped player in his country and though there wasn't a lot of competition,it still is a great achievement.
He is probably the best tactical kicker in the world.He has shown that he can drop a goal under pressure from 50 metres out, which I'm sure only a handful of players are able to do.Fantastic place kicker, certainly one of the top 3 in the world.Great passer of the ball, as he showed for years playing with O'Driscoll and D'arcy in the prime.He really knows how to make a backline tick.
Finally, he is one of the worse tacklers in the game however I think he makes up for it with all his other qualities that make him the fifth best outhalf in the world.
Ps.I would really like to hear your reasoning behind picking Donald and Skrela.Was it Donald's nerve to barely get a penalty straight in front of the posts?I am really just baffled with Skrela, I don't think he would start for Italy.

Fair play at least you've bothered with a good reply.

In my opinion it's all about all round play. You can bang on about how amazing O'Gara is at drop goals but his lack of defence means that the rest of the team is working so hard to overcompensate that it almost negates it.

Therefore, ROG is probably not in the top 15 Fly halfs let alone he top 5.

by kunu Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:27 pm

haha I'm with you on Skrela. I absolutely love when he plays against us. Can't produce the goods when it matters.

by ChequeredJersey Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:27 pm

Carter

Evans
O' Connor

Cooper

Hernadez (haven't seen him play there in ages though) or Sexton

Haven't seen Lambie

by Geordie Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:31 pm

hugo124 wrote:1.Carter-enough said.
2.Sexton-has all the qualities needed to be a brilliant flyhalf.
3.Nick Evans-wasting his time at Harlequins when he could be playing at the highest level.
4.Farrell-already looks like the real deal,plus there is no one else.
5.O'Gara-past it, (except for the last minute drop goals) but it isn't like I am going to pick Cooper.

Your having a laugh right?

Im English and proud...and even i wouldnt have Farrell in there yet. O'Gara?? Really?? Sexton is a decent 10...but top 5?

Barnes? Trinh Duc?

Can SA fans tell me how Lambie distribution is? He runs well - elusive but isnt afraid to clatter in to the big fellas...kicks excellently....but ive not seen him pass much.

by kunu Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:31 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Therefore, ROG is probably not in the top 15 Fly halfs let alone he top 5.

Rog is a defensive weakness but is easily the best game manager in the Northern hemisphere. In my opinion that's one of the most important facets of an outhalf's game, more important than defense.

by hugo124 Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:33 pm

[quote="Chunky Norwich"]

hugo124 wrote:
Fair play at least you've bothered with a good reply.

In my opinion it's all about all round play. You can bang on about how amazing O'Gara is at drop goals but his lack of defence means that the rest of the team is working so hard to overcompensate that it almost negates it.

Therefore, ROG is probably not in the top 15 Fly halfs let alone he top 5.

All the other outhalfs with all round play are in the top 4 realistically.

by Chunky Norwich Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:34 pm

kunu wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:

Therefore, ROG is probably not in the top 15 Fly halfs let alone he top 5.

Rog is a defensive weakness but is easily the best game manager in the Northern hemisphere. In my opinion that's one of the most important facets of an outhalf's game, more important than defense.

How many Lions tests has he started?

Best in the NH? Wow. Mate he's a good kicker and nothing else.

by ChequeredJersey Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:36 pm

[quote="hugo124"]

Chunky Norwich wrote:
hugo124 wrote:
Fair play at least you've bothered with a good reply.

In my opinion it's all about all round play. You can bang on about how amazing O'Gara is at drop goals but his lack of defence means that the rest of the team is working so hard to overcompensate that it almost negates it.

Therefore, ROG is probably not in the top 15 Fly halfs let alone he top 5.

All the other outhalfs with all round play are in the top 4 realistically.

J O'C at 10?

by **Biltong** Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:37 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:
Can SA fans tell me how Lambie distribution is? He runs well - elusive but isnt afraid to clatter in to the big fellas...kicks excellently....but ive not seen him pass much.

Geordie, he has very good distribution skills, most south africans and dare I say those who watch super 15 in the SH will tell you he is currently the most promising Fly Half in SA rugby. We all hope that the New Springbok coach will partner him up with Francois Hougaard as our half back pairing for the next 8-10 years.

As the OP said, Morne Steyn is totally one dimensional and has nothing more than a boot. It will change the way we play rugby as the Springboks if we can get rid of the conservative style of Morne Steyn.

Question is will Meyer select Lambie, we have a tendency to select low risk Fly halves.

by hugo124 Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:39 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:
hugo124 wrote:

Your having a laugh right?

Im English and proud...and even i wouldnt have Farrell in there yet. O'Gara?? Really?? Sexton is a decent 10...but top 5?

Barnes? Trinh Duc?

Can SA fans tell me how Lambie distribution is? He runs well - elusive but isnt afraid to clatter in to the big fellas...kicks excellently....but ive not seen him pass much.

Look at my comments regarding O'Gara and you will see why I picked him.Barnes is no more than an average player, Trinh-Duc is a great runner, however has no kicking game.
Sexton when given the license to play, as he's given with Leinster, he looks like the second best outhalf in the world,no questions asked.People may say it is because his pack give him time on the ball and put him on the front foot.Sounds familiar, doesn't that fella Carter have a decent pack that give him front foot ball.

by majesticimperialman Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:43 pm

If you are talking about todays outside halves.

Carter

Barnes

Flood

Sexton

Morney Styne

by CurlyOsp Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:43 pm

Steyn is probably the most under rated 10 in world rugby, he should be in everyones top 5 lists!

Everyone raves about O'Gara's drop goals, but Steyn gets points on the board any way possible, penalties, drop goals and a cheeky try or two.

by Rory_Gallagher Wed 14 Mar 2012, 9:44 pm

Hougaard and Lambie - something tells me that halfback partnership is going to scare many teams for years to come. Defences will have to be on full alert for those two. Part of me can't wait to see how they get on together, but at the same time I wouldn't want to face them!

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