My top 5 outhalfs in the world.

by hugo124 Wed 14 Mar 2012, 7:41 pm

First topic message reminder :

1.Carter-enough said.
2.Sexton-has all the qualities needed to be a brilliant flyhalf.
3.Nick Evans-wasting his time at Harlequins when he could be playing at the highest level.
4.Farrell-already looks like the real deal,plus there is no one else.
5.O'Gara-past it, (except for the last minute drop goals) but it isn't like I am going to pick Cooper.

by Welshmushroom Thu 15 Mar 2012, 5:11 pm

beshocked wrote:
Welshmushroom wrote:
hugo124 wrote:Steyn is the most one dimensional outhalf in the game.Trinh-Duc is a good runner but doesn't have a kicking game.

Sorry Hugo but I'm not sure you can justify this comment on Steyn. You picked Farrell in your top 5 fly halves. The boy has barely played International Rugby (no exposure against SH rugby yet), kicks his goals well and defends brilliantly. He does not have a running game either though and does not look a great distributor of the ball. He's solid in his role but hardly flash. Basically a english Dan Biggar. No disrespect to Dan Biggar by the way as I am probably one of the few on here who actually rate him.

For me my top 5 would look like this (based on performances over the last 12 months):-

1. Dan Carter - At the moment by a country mile.

2. Cooper - Sure he didnt have a good WC but still over the last 18 months been probably the second best 10 in international rugby.
3. Priestland
4. Cruden
5. Sexton

Ouch - Calling Farrell an English Dan Biggar is a big insult. At least Farrell can cut it at international level.Biggar failed spectacularly in the Wales-Fiji humiliation.

You put Priestland 3rd? Is that the same Priestland who fell apart spectacularly against England and was largely missing in the Italy game?

Erm well lets deal with this in order. So you think given that Wales played a lot of new faces against Fiji and Biggar had a single match at International level, in a team that didnt provide him much of a platform is similar to Farrell. Farrell was given a couple of games at Inside Centre and then moved to 10 and played 4 times for England, in what was the best side England could field and a pack that gave him some parity. To be fair it's hard to judge a player on 1 game. Equally just because England have played 2 good matches under Farrell (at Fly Half), I wouldnt exactly start ranking him amongst the Worlds best. If he is as talented as you say, say nothing and wait till he proves himself consistently internationally, then hype him up as much as you like. Otherwise it just ends up being another Ashton story, who only last year was being touted as a World Beater only to be dire ever since (and likely never to return to previous heights).

As for Priestland, yeah his opposite number really outshone him so much so Farrell cleary exposed his frailties Doh

Get a grip.
Everybody expects Priestland to pull out flashy performances each time. It does not always work like that for players. Sometimes steady is good enough to win matches which Wales managed in both matches you referred too. He may not have been stand out but suggesting he was poor is pushing it a little.

by ChequeredJersey Thu 15 Mar 2012, 5:12 pm

Sin é wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
Sin é wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
brennomac wrote:Sorry, but am I missing something with the (mainly SH) posters who are putting Nick Evans up there in the Top 5. Now I'll admit I never saw much of Evans in his NZ days, but since he's been playing in the NH he's been at best a decent club level 10. When he plays at the top level in Europe - and that means the HC - he certainly hasn't shown anything that would justify putting him into a world top 5. Jeez, Quins and Evans even bottled against the worst team in Ireland to blow the opportunity of a HC quarter-final slot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP3YtGsu2AE&list=PLEF0C7A369D744E85&index=21&feature=plpp_video

You are entitled to your opinion. But I'd hope that most people who have watched any AP games in the last 4 years would say that calling him a "decent club level 10 at best" is frankly insulting. We don't have any superstars at Quins, until (and in fact even now) this year we have had few internationals lately and Evans still gets us performing well against the best sides in Europe. He has played for the ABs where he put in some MotM performances for them (some at FB admittedly) and he was a dangerous dangerous player when I saw him play for the Auckland Blues. He is currently a little off form but still hits the kicks that matter, has one of the best tactical kicking games in the world (sorry ROG, IMO far far better than you, one who lost us a Lions Tour...), pace, gets the exciting Quins backline moving (and we don't have a dominant monster pack to help him), wins games alone at the highest level. He can do anything. I'm genuinely incensed, for pretty much the first time on this board, that you can call him "decent" (name a better Club level 10 in England? Hell, even Europe...), "Club Level" when he has All Black caps (only 16 but he plays in the same position as one of the better 10s of all time) and then to say "at best" when you know he has beaten Stade Francais home and away (both from his kicking) in the HEC as well as Toulouse away in the same competition and Munster and Stade again in winning the Amlin Cup. Quins play sooooooooooooooooooooo much worse when he isn't there or is off form like he has been since he got injured after Christmas. He is the key player, for me, in our greater than the sum of its parts team. I now need to go and calm down

EDIT: Brain Moore agrees- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/8873229/Harlequins-Nick-Evans-second-to-only-New-Zealands-Dan-Carter-as-a-great-dictator.html

Nick Evans has started 4 games at flyhalf for the ABs, the best team on the planet mostly. Of his 16 caps for the AB half of them were off the bench for a minute or two. Hard to judge him as an international flyhalf with that amount of gametime.

You get incensed that he is just a club level players then you go on to dismiss O'Gara

By the way, Brian moore was rating Evans as the best of the rest for NZ when carter got injured. Read the article again.

I hardly dismissed O Gara, I agreed with another poster who stated that 2007-8 were hardly his glory years! The other points are fair though

You have high standards. You think winning a Heineken Cup ('08), having captained the team when your most influencial player and captain (POC) is missing is a poor season having had an appalling world cup

Well, it is is the biggest stage...

by ChequeredJersey Thu 15 Mar 2012, 5:21 pm

hugo124 wrote:
biltongbek wrote:
geoff998rugby wrote:
hugo124 wrote:
biltongbek wrote:sorry mate, but if you don't know I can't help you.
It would take less words to write the name of the team than writing that... and frankly, I feel that is disrespectful and I think you should be banned! rumour has it, its easy enough for that to happen

Sorry you deserved that - to start a thread on World Class 10's and not even know who Lambie is is comical and shows you are ill equipped to start such a thread

For the record:

Carter
Evans
Hernandez
Cooper
Lambie

no NH 10 is good enough.

Thank you Geoff, I was too afraid to respond, as he was going to ban me.

But yeah, that is pretty much what I meant

Hernandez had one brilliant season(rwc07), but has just fell apart since and is not the player he was.
Evans can't be second because he has never been tested at international level.In that case, Sexton would be number 1 in the world, as he performs consistently better than Evans for Leinster.Stupid comment.
Cooper wouldn't is 50/50, but realistically I wouldn't want him on my team.
Lambie hasn't enough tests at the highest level yet.You will probably say neither has Farrell but Farrell killed Hardinordoquy, show me Lambie doing that and I will put him in my top 5.

Nick Evans has started more tests for ABs than Farrell has for England btw. Against the TriNations, which no offence to any of our 6N teams, is by definition a lot harder than the 6N. Same applies for Lambie

by Sin é Thu 15 Mar 2012, 5:25 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:
Sin é wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
Sin é wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
brennomac wrote:Sorry, but am I missing something with the (mainly SH) posters who are putting Nick Evans up there in the Top 5. Now I'll admit I never saw much of Evans in his NZ days, but since he's been playing in the NH he's been at best a decent club level 10. When he plays at the top level in Europe - and that means the HC - he certainly hasn't shown anything that would justify putting him into a world top 5. Jeez, Quins and Evans even bottled against the worst team in Ireland to blow the opportunity of a HC quarter-final slot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP3YtGsu2AE&list=PLEF0C7A369D744E85&index=21&feature=plpp_video

You are entitled to your opinion. But I'd hope that most people who have watched any AP games in the last 4 years would say that calling him a "decent club level 10 at best" is frankly insulting. We don't have any superstars at Quins, until (and in fact even now) this year we have had few internationals lately and Evans still gets us performing well against the best sides in Europe. He has played for the ABs where he put in some MotM performances for them (some at FB admittedly) and he was a dangerous dangerous player when I saw him play for the Auckland Blues. He is currently a little off form but still hits the kicks that matter, has one of the best tactical kicking games in the world (sorry ROG, IMO far far better than you, one who lost us a Lions Tour...), pace, gets the exciting Quins backline moving (and we don't have a dominant monster pack to help him), wins games alone at the highest level. He can do anything. I'm genuinely incensed, for pretty much the first time on this board, that you can call him "decent" (name a better Club level 10 in England? Hell, even Europe...), "Club Level" when he has All Black caps (only 16 but he plays in the same position as one of the better 10s of all time) and then to say "at best" when you know he has beaten Stade Francais home and away (both from his kicking) in the HEC as well as Toulouse away in the same competition and Munster and Stade again in winning the Amlin Cup. Quins play sooooooooooooooooooooo much worse when he isn't there or is off form like he has been since he got injured after Christmas. He is the key player, for me, in our greater than the sum of its parts team. I now need to go and calm down

EDIT: Brain Moore agrees- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/8873229/Harlequins-Nick-Evans-second-to-only-New-Zealands-Dan-Carter-as-a-great-dictator.html

Nick Evans has started 4 games at flyhalf for the ABs, the best team on the planet mostly. Of his 16 caps for the AB half of them were off the bench for a minute or two. Hard to judge him as an international flyhalf with that amount of gametime.

You get incensed that he is just a club level players then you go on to dismiss O'Gara

By the way, Brian moore was rating Evans as the best of the rest for NZ when carter got injured. Read the article again.

I hardly dismissed O Gara, I agreed with another poster who stated that 2007-8 were hardly his glory years! The other points are fair though

You have high standards. You think winning a Heineken Cup ('08), having captained the team when your most influencial player and captain (POC) is missing is a poor season having had an appalling world cup

Well, it is is the biggest stage...

Its still not a poor season. If that is the case Butch James should be the 2nd best flyhalf in the world and Dan Carter shouldn't be regarded as the No. 1 as he hasn't won on the biggest stage.

by ChequeredJersey Thu 15 Mar 2012, 5:25 pm

And there is the argument that winning with the Munster Pack of 2008 is like Johnny playing behind the England pack of 2001-2003- it amkes the game a lot easier to play!

by ChequeredJersey Thu 15 Mar 2012, 5:27 pm

THere's not winning and there's playing badly, they aren't the same thing! And I believe that if Dan Carter or Nick Evans had been playing in that quarter final in 2007, New Zealand would currently have 3 World Cups, though we shall never know

by majesticimperialman Thu 15 Mar 2012, 5:29 pm

At this moment i dont know how any one, any one at all, can say that Owen Farrell deserves to be in the top 10 fly halves in the world.
That realy is baffling to me.

by Sin é Thu 15 Mar 2012, 5:30 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:
hugo124 wrote:
biltongbek wrote:
geoff998rugby wrote:
hugo124 wrote:
biltongbek wrote:sorry mate, but if you don't know I can't help you.
It would take less words to write the name of the team than writing that... and frankly, I feel that is disrespectful and I think you should be banned! rumour has it, its easy enough for that to happen

Sorry you deserved that - to start a thread on World Class 10's and not even know who Lambie is is comical and shows you are ill equipped to start such a thread

For the record:

Carter
Evans
Hernandez
Cooper
Lambie

no NH 10 is good enough.

Thank you Geoff, I was too afraid to respond, as he was going to ban me.

But yeah, that is pretty much what I meant

Hernandez had one brilliant season(rwc07), but has just fell apart since and is not the player he was.
Evans can't be second because he has never been tested at international level.In that case, Sexton would be number 1 in the world, as he performs consistently better than Evans for Leinster.Stupid comment.
Cooper wouldn't is 50/50, but realistically I wouldn't want him on my team.
Lambie hasn't enough tests at the highest level yet.You will probably say neither has Farrell but Farrell killed Hardinordoquy, show me Lambie doing that and I will put him in my top 5.

Nick Evans has started more tests for ABs than Farrell has for England btw. Against the TriNations, which no offence to any of our 6N teams, is by definition a lot harder than the 6N. Same applies for Lambie

The tri-nations have Home and Away so you get loads of chances to pull off a win. 6Ns is a much more difficult competition.

by **Biltong** Thu 15 Mar 2012, 5:34 pm

Sine, how is it more difficult to get a win in the six Nations.

You play alternative years two home and three away and then three at home and two away.

We have been playing 3 home three away.

There is no Italy in our tournament which in all fairness is a guaranteed win.

by Sin é Thu 15 Mar 2012, 5:43 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:And there is the argument that winning with the Munster Pack of 2008 is like Johnny playing behind the England pack of 2001-2003- it amkes the game a lot easier to play!

No it wasn't. I mentioned that Paul O'Connell got injured at the world cup and was out for the group stages (and Munster had a very difficult group with Clermont, Wasps & Scarlets. Brock James was the Clermont flyhalf (having just picked up a world cup winners medal) and wasps were captained by dayglo who had made it to the world cup final.

Munster went onto defeat Gloucester (who were flying high at the time), saracens & then toulouse (all away games).

The Munster pack were getting on at that stage anyway - Foley retired at the end of that season.

by CurlyOsp Thu 15 Mar 2012, 5:46 pm

beshocked wrote:

Jones is no longer good enough for Wales so irrelevant. Farrell is better.

Except that Jones IS still good enough for Wales.. Gatlands chosen not to pick him for development purposes. Jones is probably still the best 10 in Wales.

As good as Farrell looks after 4 caps, the 104 (and 6 lions) caps that Jones has picked up, has given him an understanding of game situations way beyond that of Farrell.

by Sin é Thu 15 Mar 2012, 5:51 pm

biltongbek wrote:Sine, how is it more difficult to get a win in the six Nations.

You play alternative years two home and three away and then three at home and two away.

We have been playing 3 home three away.

There is no Italy in our tournament which in all fairness is a guaranteed win.

Its just a very difficult competition to win because its not an even playing field. If you could treat it like the Heineken Cup, by first of all winning all your home games and working from there. Its a much easier call to have say Italy, Wales & Scotland away, than have France and England away ... i.e., it will be a greater achievement for England to have beaten France away than for Wales to beat France at home. Even Ireland getting the draw in Paris is a better achievement than beating France at home.

Secondly, you play each team twice in the Tri-nations. How often does it happen that a team will win all their matches every year (thin it has happened about twice (NZ) in the last 10 years. In the 6Ns you probably get a GS every 2/3 years (and I bet if you looked it up, that on average, teams that win the GS will have more home games than away ones).

by **Biltong** Thu 15 Mar 2012, 6:01 pm

It has only happened once that I can recall. Also remember that the Tri Nations was alternative years 2home to OZ and 1 home to NZ an then it alternates.

there has been 7 grandslams since 2000, and only once has a team won all their matches in the tri nations.

Not even a comparison to see which is easier.

by Taylorman Thu 15 Mar 2012, 6:11 pm

Sin é wrote:
biltongbek wrote:Sine, how is it more difficult to get a win in the six Nations.

You play alternative years two home and three away and then three at home and two away.

We have been playing 3 home three away.

There is no Italy in our tournament which in all fairness is a guaranteed win.

Its just a very difficult competition to win because its not an even playing field. If you could treat it like the Heineken Cup, by first of all winning all your home games and working from there. Its a much easier call to have say Italy, Wales & Scotland away, than have France and England away ... i.e., it will be a greater achievement for England to have beaten France away than for Wales to beat France at home. Even Ireland getting the draw in Paris is a better achievement than beating France at home.

Secondly, you play each team twice in the Tri-nations. How often does it happen that a team will win all their matches every year (thin it has happened about twice (NZ) in the last 10 years. In the 6Ns you probably get a GS every 2/3 years (and I bet if you looked it up, that on average, teams that win the GS will have more home games than away ones).

Then NH teams really need to learn to cope with playing away more. I fail to see how playing in Cardiff, Edinburgh, London or Paris should have that much effect on a teams performance- all within 3 clips on a train pass of each other.

6N we have to deal with completely different time zones, cultures, currencies, languages when we go away- SA a little more so than Oz. Away to us...means away...not a bus ride.

I'm assuming the crowd's have that much impact on the players ears that its detrimental to their game. I mean how far is Cardiff from Twickers- further than from Auckland to Dunedin?

by Taylorman Thu 15 Mar 2012, 6:19 pm

biltongbek wrote:It has only happened once that I can recall. Also remember that the Tri Nations was alternative years 2home to OZ and 1 home to NZ an then it alternates.

there has been 7 grandslams since 2000, and only once has a team won all their matches in the tri nations.

Not even a comparison to see which is easier.

10 if you count ours Biltong...but we wont go there...

by **rodders** Thu 15 Mar 2012, 6:30 pm

Sin é wrote:
leinsterbaby wrote:
dublin_dave wrote:in a nutshell mr stonelea.

nobody to touch wilkinson,larkham,o gara of 3/4 years ago.

Sexton closest to that standard but not quite there yet. Farrell is promising but still a bit early to say.

IMO 3-4 years ago OGara was dreadful for Ireland. The 07 WC really was a low point in his career. If anything he has improved since Sexton has arrived on the scene.

No he wasn't. In the '07 6Ns he was top try & points scorer.

Pretty much every Irish player was poor for the rugby world cup in '07, not just O'Gara and none of the rest of them had to put up with the Poopie he was getting from the press about his private life.

Believe it or not Sin old bean.... I'm going to + 1 this Shocked

. The disasterous RWC and warm-ups not withstanding, ROG was in fine fettle around this period, if my memory serves me correct. He had an excellent 6N in 2007 and bounced back stronger than most post RWC.

by disneychilly Thu 15 Mar 2012, 7:07 pm

chewed_mintie wrote:I would be pleased by that! Pleased that I no longer have to share the same continent with him! It makes it more difficult to consider moving back to NZ also! I dislike him but not as much as I dislike his younger brother Ollie

Mintie I know Ollie too. Dooley idiot and thought he was the bee's knees all right. He was my brother's year-they played rep rugby and cricket together. Ah it was nice hearing when Stream played Bernards as you know Ollie was gonna get a hiding.

by disneychilly Thu 15 Mar 2012, 7:09 pm

Comfort wrote:dr grey, was thinking the same thing myself. its funny how many of the top 10's have an obvious weakness that can be exploited....

That's why I went for Carter Comfort. He has none.

by GunsGerms Thu 15 Mar 2012, 7:15 pm

roddersm wrote:
Sin é wrote:
leinsterbaby wrote:
dublin_dave wrote:in a nutshell mr stonelea.

nobody to touch wilkinson,larkham,o gara of 3/4 years ago.

Sexton closest to that standard but not quite there yet. Farrell is promising but still a bit early to say.

IMO 3-4 years ago OGara was dreadful for Ireland. The 07 WC really was a low point in his career. If anything he has improved since Sexton has arrived on the scene.

No he wasn't. In the '07 6Ns he was top try & points scorer.

Pretty much every Irish player was poor for the rugby world cup in '07, not just O'Gara and none of the rest of them had to put up with the Poopie he was getting from the press about his private life.

Bad memory

Believe it or not Sin old bean.... I'm going to + 1 this . The disasterous RWC and warm-ups not withstanding, ROG was in fine fettle around this period, if my memory serves me correct. He had an excellent 6N in 2007 and bounced back stronger than most post RWC.

by **Biltong** Thu 15 Mar 2012, 7:18 pm

Taylorman wrote:
biltongbek wrote:It has only happened once that I can recall. Also remember that the Tri Nations was alternative years 2home to OZ and 1 home to NZ an then it alternates.

there has been 7 grandslams since 2000, and only once has a team won all their matches in the tri nations.

Not even a comparison to see which is easier.

10 if you count ours Biltong...but we wont go there...

Yeah, you did three of them didn't you, man that now depresses me even further.

I am going to sit in my corner now. Run

by emack2 Thu 15 Mar 2012, 7:58 pm

Nz- Dan Carter,Nick Evans though now oversea`s there is a lot of young guns coming thru.
England- Flood,Charlie Hodgeson,and JW [still].
Wales -Priestland,Hook
France-Trinh Duc,Yachvili,Freddie Michelak
SA-Lambie,Earl Rose,Peter Grant,
Aus-Cooper,O`Connor,Berrick Barnes,Giteau.
Argentina -Hernandez
Ireland-Sexton,O`Gara
Scotland- Laidlaw

by ChequeredJersey Fri 16 Mar 2012, 11:15 am

Sin é wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:And there is the argument that winning with the Munster Pack of 2008 is like Johnny playing behind the England pack of 2001-2003- it amkes the game a lot easier to play!

No it wasn't. I mentioned that Paul O'Connell got injured at the world cup and was out for the group stages (and Munster had a very difficult group with Clermont, Wasps & Scarlets. Brock James was the Clermont flyhalf (having just picked up a world cup winners medal) and wasps were captained by dayglo who had made it to the world cup final.

Munster went onto defeat Gloucester (who were flying high at the time), saracens & then toulouse (all away games).

The Munster pack were getting on at that stage anyway - Foley retired at the end of that season.

Fine, I apologise- I have been too harsh on O' Gara. As a Munster fan you have clearly seen him him play a lot more than me, and if you say his years at 2007-8 were good, then you are in a better place to know

by geoff999rugby Fri 16 Mar 2012, 1:15 pm

hugo124 wrote:
biltongbek wrote:
geoff998rugby wrote:
hugo124 wrote:
biltongbek wrote:sorry mate, but if you don't know I can't help you.
It would take less words to write the name of the team than writing that... and frankly, I feel that is disrespectful and I think you should be banned! rumour has it, its easy enough for that to happen

Sorry you deserved that - to start a thread on World Class 10's and not even know who Lambie is is comical and shows you are ill equipped to start such a thread

For the record:

Carter
Evans
Hernandez
Cooper
Lambie

no NH 10 is good enough.

Thank you Geoff, I was too afraid to respond, as he was going to ban me.

But yeah, that is pretty much what I meant

Hernandez had one brilliant season(rwc07), but has just fell apart since and is not the player he was.
Evans can't be second because he has never been tested at international level.In that case, Sexton would be number 1 in the world, as he performs consistently better than Evans for Leinster.Stupid comment.
Cooper wouldn't is 50/50, but realistically I wouldn't want him on my team.
Lambie hasn't enough tests at the highest level yet.You will probably say neither has Farrell but Farrell killed Hardinordoquy, show me Lambie doing that and I will put him in my top 5.

Great stuff Hugo you dismiss Lambie (who admit you have never heard of) and Evans because they have not played enough at International level but include Farrell.

Lambie has played more than twice as many internationals as Farrell Headscratch

Evans has played more than three times as many internationals as Farrell Headscratch

When you are in a hole you really should stop digging.

Then again you are providing great entertainment in the art of the absurd. Laugh

by Shanes Lover Fri 16 Mar 2012, 1:17 pm

No Hookie on the list... Whistle

by Mr Fishpaste Fri 16 Mar 2012, 1:55 pm

Lambie played in the world cup...is that level not high enough? As for dealing with big brutes on the field: he sure put Schalk Burger to shame 2 years back in the Currie Cup final (not a test, I know, but Burger is a test-player!)

by chewed_mintie Fri 16 Mar 2012, 2:05 pm

disneychilly wrote:
chewed_mintie wrote:I would be pleased by that! Pleased that I no longer have to share the same continent with him! It makes it more difficult to consider moving back to NZ also! I dislike him but not as much as I dislike his younger brother Ollie

Mintie I know Ollie too. Dooley idiot and thought he was the bee's knees all right. He was my brother's year-they played rep rugby and cricket together. Ah it was nice hearing when Stream played Bernards as you know Ollie was gonna get a hiding.

Sadly, being from a league background I never got the chance to dish it out on the rugby pitch as the Dooley’s were exclusively Union, and my school First XV was Prem 2 at the time where the Dooley's were Prem 1. He was the same year as me also so our paths crossed a lot through the years on the cricket pitch. Tim Fairbrother was also on the scene – I knew him from his league days (as well as the Waldrom brothers) – but he was a pretty big unit then and a good cricketer too so we generally left him alone. Ollie however used to cop it big time....at every opportunity we had to bring up his one test brother, who was so Poopie even Jamie Cameron kept him out of the Hurricanes team

by disneychilly Fri 16 Mar 2012, 3:10 pm

I was a Hutt Old Boys kid Mintie so every chance we get to rag Petone we grab with both hands haha (admittedly there aren't many). Mannix was the obvious one Smile

I'm going to agree with the SH posters on the 3N being harder to win than the 6N. The three best teams home and away, all the travel. Under Henry NZ lost two tests against European opposition and they had the best record over those eight years. So it was a hell of a lot harder for NZ to beat the 3N sides than it was to beat the European sides, three of which they've never lost to anyway and one 59 year drought.

by dfilcher Fri 16 Mar 2012, 8:35 pm

preistland is pure rubbish see his display against england.
Cater is the best, perm the rest.
Farrell most exciting potental talent @ 10 in world rugby at pres
danny Cip anyone know what hes up to? as he playe din 0z

by Feckless Rogue Fri 16 Mar 2012, 8:51 pm

Carter is the best I've ever seen and people much older than me have said he's the best they've ever seen. I'd say he's probably the best 10 there's ever been. I don't really like Cooper. I think he's flaky. I'm not the most informed about the southern hemisphere game.

As far as Europe is concerned, Sexton for Leinster is brilliant. As is Evans for Quins. Both have all the skills and are the most well rounded 10's playing in Europe. But Sexton hasn't been so good for Ireland, but he looks to be getting more comfortable at test level now and I think he'll be the top European flyhalf in the coming years.

Farrell looks good. Maybe another Jonny Wilkinson in the making. Trinh Duc is exciting to watch but I'm not sure how reliable he is. Priestland is a fairly poor flyhalf, but Gatland is utilizing him well. His performance against England was absolutely terrible. Italy haven't had a good 10 since Dominguez.

by nganboy Mon 19 Mar 2012, 12:20 am

I hadn't really watched a lot of 6Ns stuff until the year Ireland got it's GS.
I remember thinking then that "that Irish 10 is pretty useless" and (I may remember incorrectly) that they would have beaten a poor Wales easily if he hadn't made so many mistakes.

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